Gnu,
Did you miss -again- my posts where I explained I PERSONALLY do not wish at the moment to fully join Deaf culture and I was merely talking
hypothetical scenario to help an argument? like, when a person says "suppose I will, would, should, can etc...." ?
Yeah, and that makes me wonder why you think we HAVE to use sound to communicate if humans are born without the ability to speak.
THAT makes me wonder why do you think hearing people HAVE TO use ASL to communicate if they were born with ability to hear and speak?
BTW that was in reply to Sweetmind who insisted that everyone must watch signing only video otherwise it won't be possible to learn ASL properly.
Well what can I say, the same applies to speaking so you should watch regular movies with sound only or the little kiddies will not get it (the hearing communication). Sorry about your inability to hear but them kiddies, you see .. tsk tsk.. tsk..
but but but - is too much excitement confusing you or what - I am neither signing deaf nor hearing.
I guess I am classified as HoH, an unfortunate in-between who can neither hear 100% nor sign. Are you going to kick my butt because of it? hmm that's nice..
and the
BOTTOM LINE IS in this thread IS:
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I-----------
and only I
complained about the lack of CC - not some hearing person who implants deaf newborns, and I am
not some crazy oral audist (as Sweetmind conveniently overlooks every time) but I am:
~ a person who is for ASL, for keeping deaf kids in deaf culture as well, who can't hear well even with her freaking two HAs, and who can't sign because her parents (meaning- my parents) raised her as a hearie! are you people idiots or what?
BTW -shouldn't Sweetmind be ohhing and ahhing over poor me who was denied beautiful natural ASL while I still was a child? what the...???
and I I I I -a HoH - have complained... so what the heck happened here?
It's unbeliveable how you two here twist and pull the facts in every possible direction trying desperately to prove your weak points about ASL , oralism and audism
everywhere.
CC is for everyone.
For you for me for hearing too. How is the hypothetical deaf child going to be deprived of or undereducated in ASL (or anyone for that matter) just because there is CC on the video? does the kids even read that fast? they READ? just turn the damn CC off if you want! leave it for those who want/need it!
What use is that to a deaf person? Sure, they sound different, but what's important is what the meaning of "bloodcurdling", not the specific sound.
But for hearing it's exactly the two sound's difference that separate one scream from the other. It is exactly about the specific sounding. two way street, two way street. you want me to hang onto every wink and blink ..
Sweetmind:
SIGN Language thats the answer if you mind. We dont want to put ENGLISH into ASL if you mind..
Ever heard of English-German translations, English-French, English-Italian, English -Chinese... if this is doable, so is ASL- English.
is ASL sacred now, or what?
Even if it is visual language, a single sign is an equivalent of an English word. This is particularly obvious here:
http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro
You can match ANY SIGN with ANY WORD.
So there goes your theory that there is no English in ASL.
What's more I can't help but notice how many words were FINGERSPELLED. meaning looks like there is insufficient amount of signs to match EVERY English word. And for example "accordion" was mis-spelled.
ASL might be richer in expressions I agree but on the whole it's still..... mostly English.
Fuzzy