Islamic terrorists kill 12 in Paris

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Reba said:
I searched my name and only two things popped up, and those were websites that I placed my name on (one was my Facebook account). There were other listings with the same name but they were for other people. I guess I'm not interesting enough.
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No, you are just smart about where you put your information. But, that won't stop the government from getting your information, unless you don't use the internet.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
No, you are just smart about where you put your information. But, that won't stop the government from getting your information, unless you don't use the internet.
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As a career-Navy retiree who was subject to security clearance checks, and a concealed carry license holder who has had that background check, the government has long ago gotten anything they need on me. I can't worry about it.
 
Reba said:
As a career-Navy retiree who was subject to security clearance checks, and a concealed carry license holder who has had that background check, the government has long ago gotten anything they need on me. I can't worry about it.
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I thank you for your service. We are lucky that we have people who give up their own freedom to protect democracy. And, it should be pointed out that acts such as those are what democracy is all about.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I thank you for your service. We are lucky that we have people who give up their own freedom to protect democracy. And, it should be pointed out that acts such as those are what democracy is all about.
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That brings us back to this latest terrorist attack, which is also an attack on freedom of speech/expression. That is a freedom that we Americans often take for granted. As much as the content of the Charlie magazine would be offensive to me, and I would probably never want to read that publication, I can't abide the thought of someone using violence or even the threat of violence to censor the publication. I was a journalist for my 24 years in the Navy, so this is an issue near and dear to my heart.
 
Reba said:
I searched my name and only two things popped up, and those were websites that I placed my name on (one was my Facebook account). There were other listings with the same name but they were for other people. I guess I'm not interesting enough.
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I saw my mom SS # on line when she was still alive I was :shock: . I found my dad's too , I was really shocked to see how easy it was to found this on just by typing my parents names.
 
Reba said:
That brings us back to this latest terrorist attack, which is also an attack on freedom of speech/expression. That is a freedom that we Americans often take for granted. As much as the content of the Charlie magazine would be offensive to me, and I would probably never want to read that publication, I can't abide the thought of someone using violence or even the threat of violence to censor the publication. I was a journalist for my 24 years in the Navy, so this is an issue near and dear to my heart.
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Well done Granny Terp.. Well done...

That is what it means to be French.. Or American, or British for that matter. The basis for any free country in the world.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
The thread isn't a question about gun control IN FRANCE. If there is any politics to it at all, it's about free speech in France. Which, I might add, does not have anything to do with U.S. laws.

Steinhaurer, you don't know my view, but the people whom you state have not answered have answered it. So, I'll address that here, they do not feel that giving people guns will change the situation. And, in this case, there was an armed officer personally protecting someone who was killed. Those people, whom I do not know, seem to feel that arming the victims would not have saved them.

Again, U.S. laws do not apply to France. And, a debate about U.S. laws is off-topic.

Would you like to discuss Freedom of the Press as it applies to France? It might not get anyone banned, but it's on topic.
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I am trying to be polite here. The question was not about gun control. It was not about me and my gun. It was not about gun control laws in France .. in fact, it had nothing to do with gun control laws in the US or in France. My question had to do with an ideology. The liberal progressive ideology (and yes, that view is also shared in France). It isn't even a question about Free Speech, again, it was directed at the progressive liberal ideology of a non-violent utopia. I believe that to be on topic, I am sure others may disagree.

Here, let me give an example of what I am addressing. Do you remember the "Die Hard" movies? In one of those movies, Bruce Willis' character was dumped out of a van by the bad guys. He was forced to walk around in the middle of one of the roughest streets in Harlem with a huge sign that had derogatory racial slurs written on it. Do you remember that scene?

Now, we have a satirical newspaper in France publishing derogatory articles directed at Muslims. Unlike Bruce Willis' character, this satirical newspaper was not forced to do this, they did this willingly.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberals (collectively - not just in the U.S.) have resorted to derogatory remarks concerning anyone whom disagrees with them. They have become very disrespectful and "smug" if you will, in their "self - righteousness". Anyone whom disagrees with their ideology is immediately demonized.

Now take a look at the armed Officer that surrendered ... he was in total shock that anyone would actually attack him.

So again, I am going to ask. Why do progressive liberals become so shocked when a vicious attack happens? You are creating the very tools to allow it to happen.

I am not sure if you will even understand that as you apparently think I am talking about gun control. Gun-control is only a small component of the liberal progressive ideological goal of a violent free utopia.

Another component is the progressive liberal ideology of "multiculturalism". Right now, in France, if anyone starts talking about strict enforcement of immigration, they are branded as Islamophobic racists.

My question is "why are you pushing this delusional agenda when it has been proven to fail"?
 
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Lau2046 said:
Well after the Eric Snowdon incident, more and more agencies are being told to back off of the type of surveillance that was successful in preventing such tragedies. Now that the worst has happened, and quite easily, people are again asking, "How do this happen, how can we prevent it." We can't, until we start acting like we want to tackle terrorism even if it means we lose a measure of privacy.
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We could put Mosques under surveillance. We can strike down profiling laws .... lot of barriers need to be removed. I don't care how loud the left screams. Let them scream.
 
Remember boston bombing, it takes 5 days for fbi to capture Tsarnaev. I hope they arrest those terrorists ASAP before everything is too late.
 
Reba said:
On tonights NBC News he explained that they made a mistake--their sources were wrong. You heard it right--they were wrong.

It's heartbreaking to think that authorities missed opportunities to prevent this latest attack. Too many of these terrorists are slipping in under the radar. They were acting suspicious, they had bad records, they were on lists but no one caught them before they carried out their evil plan. :(
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Reba: You hit some nails directly on the head. 1) Until we know what the truth is (or as close to it as you're going to get), the media will provide fodder to the asses - true or false - to keep us watching. 2) Last night as I was settling down, a viable and feasible couple of lines came out that resonate - A) The extremest Muslim Orgs have gone from attempted coordinated attacks en masse B) Not allowing a one-person killing (more than one shooter will attack). It allows the well-trained unit to follow plans and not be caught so easily.

Pretty scarey (and whose ever daughter is there, remember what was said that France is on a high alert and the streets are swarming with police).
 
Steinhauer said:
I am trying to be polite here. The question was not about gun control. It was not about me and my gun. It was not about gun control laws in France .. in fact, it had nothing to do with gun control laws in the US or in France. My question had to do with an ideology. The liberal progressive ideology (and yes, that view is also shared in France). It isn't even a question about Free Speech, again, it was directed at the progressive liberal ideology of a non-violent utopia. I believe that to be on topic, I am sure others may disagree.

Here, let me give an example of what I am addressing. Do you remember the "Die Hard" movies? In one of those movies, Bruce Willis' character was dumped out of a van by the bad guys. He was forced to walk around in the middle of one of the roughest streets in Harlem with a huge sign that had derogatory racial slurs written on it. Do you remember that scene?

Now, we have a satirical newspaper in France publishing derogatory articles directed at Muslims. Unlike Bruce Willis' character, this satirical newspaper was not forced to do this, they did this willingly.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberals (collectively - not just in the U.S.) have resorted to derogatory remarks concerning anyone whom disagrees with them. They have become very disrespectful and "smug" if you will, in their "self - righteousness". Anyone whom disagrees with their ideology is immediately demonized.

Now take a look at the armed Officer that surrendered ... he was in total shock that anyone would actually attack him.

So again, I am going to ask. Why do progressive liberals become so shocked when a vicious attack happens? You are creating the very tools to allow it to happen.

I am not sure if you will even understand that as you apparently think I am talking about gun control. Gun-control is only a small component of the liberal progressive ideological goal of a violent free utopia.

Another component is the progressive liberal ideology of "multiculturalism". Right now, in France, if anyone starts talking about strict enforcement of immigration, they are branded as Islamophobic racists.

My question is "why are you pushing this delusional agenda when it has been proven to fail"?
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good lord! who has been feeding you this garbage!?!?
 
Steinhauer said:
I am trying to be polite here.
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Agreed. I'll try not to be misunderstood.

The question not about gun control. It was not about me and my
gun. It was not about gun control laws in France .. in fact, it had
nothing to do with gun control laws in the US or in France. My
question had to do with an ideology. The liberal progressive ideology
(and yes, that view is also shared in France). It isn't even a
question about Free Speech, again, it was directed at the progressive
liberal ideology of a non-violent utopia. I believe that to be on
topic, I am sure others may disagree.
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Your exact words were, "Well, the progressive ideology is to create a
violent free utopia where no one needs to carry guns .. correct?"

That implies gun control. Especially when you wrote, "to create".
That's how I took it, as an attempt to make a comparison of U.S law.

Here, let me give an example of what I am addressing. Do you remember
the "Die Hard" movies? In one of those movies, Bruce Willis' character
was dumped out of a van by the bad guys. He was forced to walk around
in the middle of one of the roughest streets in Harlem with a huge
sign that had derogatory racial slurs written on it. Do you remember
that scene?
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Yes. I remember it.


Now, we have a satirical newspaper in France publishing derogatory
articles directed at Muslims. Unlike Bruce Willis' character, this
satirical newspaper was not forced to do this, they did this
willingly.
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Yes. All people have the right to publish their views(in free nations,
to a point). That includes the suspects in the Hebdo massacre. And,
those who would be non-progressives in your view.

It has been my observation that the progressive liberals (collectively
- not just in the U.S.) have resorted to derogatory remarks concerning
anyone whom disagrees with them. They have become very disrespectful
and "smug" if you will, in their "self - righteousness". Anyone whom
disagrees with their ideology is immediately demonized.
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This is an attempt to draw those of that view into conflict not debate
because it's one sided.

This implies that non-progressives do not this? This is incorrect.

Let me put this into the perspective of the current thread which is
about 12 people who were killed:

The writers of the satirical cartoons draw on real world events. They
do not make up their own material, the draw about it. The cartoons are
not made up of the progressive thinking. They are a reflection of
current events and an attempt at humor to point out such events as
enslavement of women, bombings of embassies, killings of
non-believers, etc.

So, since they don't come up with their own material, how can they be
pushing their own utopia? Are the cartoons offering a progressive solution?
I don't see that in the cartoons. But, clearly, the current events
are not working which is what they point out.


Now take a look at the armed Officer that surrendered ... he was in
total shock that anyone would actually attack him.
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There were two officers. We don't know about the one in the building,
but I think you are mistaking the shock of being shot with the act of
being shot. BTW, he was shot again a close range. And, since was
Muslim we can speculate he was conservative.

I believe your quote here is an attempt to state a reality. I think,
if you look at the cartoons of those that died, the cartoonist tried to state
that reality as well.

So again, I am going to ask. Why do progressive liberals become so
shocked when a vicious attack happens? You are creating the very tools
to allow it to happen.
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Please refrain from the use of the word, "You" as you do not know my
ideology. Try to use the word, "they".

To be clear, it's not just progressives who are shocked. Plenty of
conservatives have voiced opinion on this.

Since the dawn of time, the world has dealt with attacks. I can't
speak for the progressives, but as I understand it, they don't want to
accept it. It's not that people don't know it happens. It's that those
people want to stop it from happening. Some have the idea that it
can't stopped. That we should just accept it and do it to others.
Others have the idea that they should try to stop it. The cartoonist
were on the side of trying.

I am not sure if you will even understand that as you apparently think
I am talking about gun control. Gun-control is only a small component
of the liberal progressive ideological goal of a violent free
utopia.
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I do understand. But, it's not clear from your earlier post that you
are directing this at the people of France or those who might have
that ideology here on alldeaf.

Another component is the progressive liberal ideology of
"multiculturalism". Right now, in France, if anyone starts talking
about strict enforcement of immigration, they are branded as
Islamophobic racists.
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Link please.

And, for the record, those talking about immigration reform are
conservative.

My question is "why are you pushing this delusional agenda when
it has been proven to fail"?
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I am in no way pushing an agenda. I'm trying to make sure the thread
does not get hijacked by taking it off topic or by goading other
members into fights.
 
Currently two standoffs with police in France. Hostage takers making demands. Unbelievable.
 
authentic said:
Remember boston bombing, it takes 5 days for fbi to capture Tsarnaev. I hope they arrest those terrorists ASAP before everything is too late.
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When do we stop not believing in what we're being told as the gospel truth? There is no truth in advertising or the media (perhaps a modicum) but only in selected areas. The remaining brothers are going to have to go very much underground in Paris. I know (Vacationguy?) said it's a small city and easy to surround. But it was also the city that kept the French resistance underground hidden pretty well to enable them to fight when attacked in WWII by the Nazis. Why will the extremists do any better and be found?

If Paris is blown up (whatever that means), it is too late. What else constitutes too late and can the better organized extremists come up quickly (doubtful) with a viable attack plan?

As Americans lead by our nose by the media, the story will keep changing for I don't know how long.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/09/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting/



This is an update from CNN . "• The hostage-taker at the eastern Paris grocery store demanded freedom for the Kouachi brothers -- the suspects in the massacre at the offices of Charlie Hebdo -- witnesses said, according to Pascal Disand of the Alliance Police Union." :(
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Would you wake me up when we know the true story and minor-changing data only? It flips me to constantly see updates and changes just to keep us tuned in so the media can make its advertising dollars.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Currently two standoffs with police in France. Hostage takers making demands. Unbelievable.
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Why is this unbelievable? North Korea (theory only dang it) got Sony and told them not to release their satirical film. Sony bent to the demands initially and you know the rest of the story.
 
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