Islamic terrorists kill 12 in Paris

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"Despite the scale of the damage, French police have hesitated to make any arrests for fear of sparking more riots."

France no-go zones
 
whatdidyousay! said:
OK , I was wondering if that was why you posted it , to explains the no go zones . But why was this allowed to become a 'no go zone ' couldn't the polices had more control over this?
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Good question for the French police to answer.
 
More about the victims:

Lamiat Sabin
Thursday, 8 January 2015

Police have named the a police officer who was killed during an attack on the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo yesterday as Ahmed Merabet, 42, who happened to be patrolling the area at the time and is believed to be Muslim.

Mr Merabet is seen in footage released by Reuters begging the gunmen to spare his life in the 11th arrondissement of Paris, where the offices of the publication are situated, before he was shot more than once. The man is survived by his wife.

After being shot the first time, the gunmen wearing balaclavas and holding Kalashnikov rifles are seen running past the police officer – who had his hands up in surrender – and shot in his direction again at point-blank range as he was lying on the pavement outside the offices.

The masked gunmen is heard asking the police officer “Do you want to kill me?” before he allegedly replied “No, it is OK chief” before one of them shot him a second time round amid an attack described as the worst in France in 50 years. . .

Another officer, Franck Brinsolaro, was also shot dead by the three attackers . . .

Mr Brinsolaro, who was the police bodyguard of Charlie Hebdo editor Stéphane Charbonnier and was sitting in the editorial room when the gunmen shot the cartoonists and journalists dead, is survived by his wife and two children.

“They knew the risks they were facing in carrying out their duty and clearly showed great bravery in trying to prevent the terrorists murdering others. We stand in solidarity and express our great sympathy for their families and friends.

Cartoonists Stephane “Charb” Charbonnier, 47, Jean “Cabu” Cabut, 76, Bernard “Tignous” Verlhac, 57, Georges Wolinski, 80, and Philippe Honore, 73, were killed in the attack as well as magazine columnist and economist Bernard Maris, 68, and proof-reader Mustapha Ourrad. Psychoanalyst and columnist Elsa Cayat was the only woman killed in the shoot-out. Arts festival founder Michel Renaud and caretaker Frederic Boisseau were also murdered....
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Muslim police officer among those killed in Paris
 
Based on video, ABC news is reporting, the suspects appear to be signaling other people around the building. They have taken a lot of people in for questioning.

Interesting about the no-go issue. I'll look into it.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I saw on Nightly News tonight that last night when they reported 2 of the suspects were dead and one captured it was the wrong news and I posted it here. I thought I had heard the news wrong but I didn't . The brothers been on the no fly list for years and they were under surveillance but it was costing too much money and taken off . :shock:

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/paris-terror-suspects-radicalization-goes-back-decade-n282606
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On tonights NBC News he explained that they made a mistake--their sources were wrong. You heard it right--they were wrong.

It's heartbreaking to think that authorities missed opportunities to prevent this latest attack. Too many of these terrorists are slipping in under the radar. They were acting suspicious, they had bad records, they were on lists but no one caught them before they carried out their evil plan. :(
 
Reba said:
On tonights NBC News he explained that they made a mistake--their sources were wrong. You heard it right--they were wrong.

It's heartbreaking to think that authorities missed opportunities to prevent this latest attack. Too many of these terrorists are slipping in under the radar. They were acting suspicious, they had bad records, they were on lists but no one caught them before they carried out their evil plan. :(
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Yeah Brian said their sources where wrong , at least I know I heard it right .
To think 12 innocents people are dead b/c money was an issues in keeping tabs on these 3 monsters.
 
Reba said:
It explains the no-go zones.

This shows what they're like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPagRCb_mk

(It has captions/subtitles in English.)
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From the video, I don't get the impression the police can't go there.
I see that it is a non-police friendly area, but, unless I missed it, I
don't see any prohibition.

Muslim integration into French culture is a major issue. Those people
don't want to integrate, but they do want the benefits of the system.
This is different from U.S. immigration/integration because in France
those immigrants are forming private schools with the support of the
government. Those school teach a Muslim curriculum not a French
curriculum. This is a huge issue in France. Here in the U.S. public
schools used by immigrants teach U.S. curriculum, so there is some
integration.
 
Reba said:
On tonights NBC News he explained that they made a mistake--their sources were wrong. You heard it right--they were wrong.

It's heartbreaking to think that authorities missed opportunities to prevent this latest attack. Too many of these terrorists are slipping in under the radar. They were acting suspicious, they had bad records, they were on lists but no one caught them before they carried out their evil plan. :(
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Well after the Eric Snowdon incident, more and more agencies are being told to back off of the type of surveillance that was successful in preventing such tragedies. Now that the worst has happened, and quite easily, people are again asking, "How do this happen, how can we prevent it." We can't, until we start acting like we want to tackle terrorism even if it means we lose a measure of privacy.
 
Lau2046 said:
Well after the Eric Snowdon incident, more and more agencies are being told to back off of the type of surveillance that was successful in preventing such tragedies. Now that the worst has happened, and quite easily, people are again asking, "How do this happen, how can we prevent it." We can't, until we start acting like we want to tackle terrorism even if it means we lose a measure of privacy.
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Trying Googling your name sometime and see if you find anything on line , l did with my name and family members and there more info than I thought would be on line. I think we can kiss our privacy good bye completely in another 10 years or sooner.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
From the video, I don't get the impression the police can't go there.
I see that it is a non-police friendly area, but, unless I missed it, I
don't see any prohibition....
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The police have legal access but the political higher ups restrict them so as not to upset the Muslim community. The French police avoid the no-go areas as much as possible.
 
Lau2046 said:
Well after the Eric Snowdon incident, more and more agencies are being told to back off of the type of surveillance that was successful in preventing such tragedies. Now that the worst has happened, and quite easily, people are again asking, "How do this happen, how can we prevent it." We can't, until we start acting like we want to tackle terrorism even if it means we lose a measure of privacy.
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I'm not sure France was affected by the Eric Snowdon incident. They have been dealing with a lot of internal terrorism recently and they have been successful in stopping it.

A police state doesn't allow for any measure of privacy. That's not what France is about, or any other free country. If a culture institutes a police state, the terrorist have succeeded in destroying that culture.

To stop terrorism you have to stop the ideology. You can kill people, but people just make more people. And, as long as people are taught that ideology, the problem will never be solved.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Trying Googling your name sometime and see if you find anything on line , l did with my name and family members and there more info than I thought would be on line. I think we can kiss our privacy good bye completely in another 10 years or sooner.
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I have and I've also seen what comes up with the law enforcement databases at my job....although my life is pretty uneventful. Unfortunately we probably have terrorists in our city that feel very comfortable moving around...and with good reason.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Trying Googling your name sometime and see if you find anything on line , l did with my name and family members and there more info than I thought would be on line. I think we can kiss our privacy good bye completely in another 10 years or sooner.
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I searched my name and only two things popped up, and those were websites that I placed my name on (one was my Facebook account). There were other listings with the same name but they were for other people. I guess I'm not interesting enough.
 
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