Cochlear decison

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faire_jour said:
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i don't misunderstand at all. You just disagree.

Carol flexer wrote this "identification ofnewborn hearion loss should be considered a neurodevelopmental emergency".

the fact is that Deaf brains are different from hearing brains and that change happens very early. That would be a consequence of hearing loss.
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Neuro-developmental emergency is quite a different thing from a neurological emergency. And the neurological changes in the brain that occur with deafness are not medically threatening in the least.

We all think that deafness creates a neuro-developmental emergency. That is exactly why we advocate for ASL to be included in the environment from day one. Neuro-developmental emergency doesn't mean that surgery needs to be performed. It is something that needs to be addressed environmentally.
 
faire_jour said:
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a teen? Fully support their decision and make sure that their school and home environment still allow for access to information.
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Any child that is indicating a strong desire not to wear their implant.
 
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so what if a teen doesn't want to wear their device? That is their choice and they should be fully supported in that decision. That does not make the choice that their parents made wrong, it does not make them a "failure". Their parent gave them an opportunity to have access to sound that without an implant they would have never had. It was a tool that they could use. If they choose not to use it later, great. I wanted to give my child that choice, and without the CI, she didn't have that option.
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Seems as if you didn't give he/she the option, either, to wear HAs and THEN opt for a CI if that was what she/he so chose.
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they have the option of wearing hearing aids, but hearing aids were of very little benefit, that is why they were a candidate in the first place. What you are providing is greater access to sound and spoken langauge, which they did not have with hearing aids.
 
Well, looks like things are on the verge of getting offensive and condescending again because a poster always responds with defensive sarcasm. GAWD this is so predictable.:roll:
 
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jillio said:
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a teen? Fully support their decision and make sure that their school and home environment still allow for access to information.
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Any child that is indicating a strong desire not to wear their implant.
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depends completely on the situation.
 
jillio said:
.....:roll: So insulting and arrogant.
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.... the insults and arrogance have come from you towards me in the last 24 hours.... but I guess it all depends from the point of view..
 
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jillio said:
faire_jour said:
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i don't misunderstand at all. You just disagree.

Carol flexer wrote this "identification ofnewborn hearion loss should be considered a neurodevelopmental emergency".

the fact is that Deaf brains are different from hearing brains and that change happens very early. That would be a consequence of hearing loss.
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Neuro-developmental emergency is quite a different thing from a neurological emergency. And the neurological changes in the brain that occur with deafness are not medically threatening in the least.

We all think that deafness creates a neuro-developmental emergency. That is exactly why we advocate for ASL to be included in the environment from day one. Neuro-developmental emergency doesn't mean that surgery needs to be performed. It is something that needs to be addressed environmentally.
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alright, k. Todd huston wrote a article entitled "hearing loss in children: a neurological & developmental emergency".

"neurologically, these kids are at risk, and they deserve our focused efforts to obtain developmental synchrony. Their brains can't wait".
 
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alright, k. Todd huston wrote a article entitled "hearing loss in children: a neurological & developmental emergency".

"neurologically, these kids are at risk, and they deserve our focused efforts to obtain developmental synchrony. Their brains can't wait".
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And back then people said people who were homosexuals were at risk....
 
posts from hell said:
Cloggy, your thoughts on post #604?
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Liked it.. hope there's a way for the girl to get a good CI.. and love it that she knows ASL... Great story..
Would wish USA had the medical insurance system like Norway..
 
Cloggy said:
Liked it.. hope there's a way for the girl to get a good CI.. and love it that she knows ASL... Great story..
Would wish USA had the medical insurance system like Norway..
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You liked the girl bitching about how she was brought up and wished it was different?
 
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jillio said:
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depends completely on the situation.
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That is not an answer. That is a refusal to answer.
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that is not an easy, one size fits all question. There would be totally different answers depending on the age, language ability, duration of implant use, behavior of the child, or perhaps even type of device being used.

i can't possible answer without that type of information.
 
faire_jour said:
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alright, k. Todd huston wrote a article entitled "hearing loss in children: a neurological & developmental emergency".

"neurologically, these kids are at risk, and they deserve our focused efforts to obtain developmental synchrony. Their brains can't wait".
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That is not a medical emergency, nor is it a medical consequence. It does not need to be addressed with surgical intervention. You are assuming incorrectly the meaning of the term neurological as applied in this concept.

We have stated numerous times that language deprivation causes cognitive issues in the brain. You argued not so long ago that saying such was offensive and untrue. Deafness did not have congivitive consequences. The author you are now supporting is saying exactly the same thing with the term "neuro-developmental."

So which is it? Am I and the author you quoted correct? Or are we offensive and incorrect? Can't have it both ways.
 
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that is not an easy, one size fits all question. There would be totally different answers depending on the age, language ability, duration of implant use, behavior of the child, or perhaps even type of device being used.

i can't possible answer without that type of information.
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No worries, PFH to the rescue. I helped you answer. :)
 
faire_jour said:
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that is not an easy, one size fits all question. There would be totally different answers depending on the age, language ability, duration of implant use, behavior of the child, or perhaps even type of device being used.

i can't possible answer without that type of information.
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Okay, let's do a hyppothetical. The child is 6 or 7. The child has bilateral implants. The child is indicating behaviorally a strong opposition to wearing one of the implants, including reactions that could be indicative of pain. The child has documented delays in spoken language. The child is believed to be ASL proficient. How would you react?

Edit:; my hypothetical does not even need to be addressed at this point. Question answered.

Psychology will tell us that reactions to something like this with a young child will not go away and become more equitable when that child reaches teen years. The reaction will remain basically the same unless the thought processes which force the reaction are changed.
 
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jillio said:
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alright, k. Todd huston wrote a article entitled "hearing loss in children: a neurological & developmental emergency".

"neurologically, these kids are at risk, and they deserve our focused efforts to obtain developmental synchrony. Their brains can't wait".
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That is not a medical emergency, nor is it a medical consequence. It does not need to be addressed with surgical intervention. You are assuming incorrectly the meaning of the term neurological as applied in this concept.

We have stated numerous times that language deprivation causes cognitive issues in the brain. You argued not so long ago that saying such was offensive and untrue. Deafness did not have congivitive consequences. The author you are now supporting is saying exactly the same thing with the term "neuro-developmental."

So which is it? Am I and the author you quoted correct? Or are we offensive and incorrect? Can't have it both ways.
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i never said that i agree with them.

You said there was no medical consequence to hearing loss and i said that others disagree with you. They see the lack of auditory information and the changes in the brain of such significance that they need medical intervention.
 
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i never said that i agree with them.

You said there was no medical consequence to hearing loss and i said that others disagree with you. They see the lack of auditory information and the changes in the brain of such significance that they need medical intervention.
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There actually is no medical consequence. lol. It is not inhibiting my life span at all.

Yesterday I was talking with a few aluminis from CSDB, 1955 era... Here at the house. They seemed healthy and all. I don't know what youre talking about.
 
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faire_jour said:
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that is not an easy, one size fits all question. There would be totally different answers depending on the age, language ability, duration of implant use, behavior of the child, or perhaps even type of device being used.

i can't possible answer without that type of information.
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No worries, PFH to the rescue. I helped you answer. :)
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i'm not ashamed of how i handled my daughter's second implant at all. She disliked the sound she was hearing because she expected it to be as clear as her old implant. She had a very strong reaction at the audi's office and was able to express to use why she was upset and what she was hearing. We came up with a plan together about what to do and within a week she was wearing both happily.
 
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