Cochlear decison

[jillio]

Where do you get the idea she controls what we believe?

I am perfectly capable of separating fact from nonsense on my own.

As is everyone here. That is just another insult at the hands of someone who dislikes the D/deaf. He is simply trying to minimize the fact that so many D/deaf agree with me, and support what I say.:roll: So insulting and arrogant.

 

[jillio]

Thats what I thought. big lol there.

Cloggy.. you need to step it up, man. Your game is weak.

Maybe you're rusty from a year and half of off time?

Actually, no. His game is pretty much the same as it always was. He is just operating without his posse right now.

 

[jillio]

Putting your kid in a car is also putting your kid at risk... Btw... what damage?
I wasn't going to go there but since you are making the "there's no connection" statement.... Depends who is looking where of course.... I'm quite sure you don't agree with this study.. But show me the study that confirms your statement....


Higher Quality of Life for Deaf Children | Medical News and Health Information
(Ivanhoe Newswire) -- A hearing device may help deaf children do more than just hear. A new study shows cochlear implants may also help deaf children enjoy their childhood.

Cochlear implants are electronic devices that partially restore hearing to the deaf or severely hard of hearing. The device is surgically implanted in the inner ear and stimulates the hearing nerve, allowing deaf individuals to receive sound.

Researchers studied 88 families with children who had cochlear implants and measured their quality of life using a questionnaire. The results revealed children who had a cochlear implant rated their quality of life equal to that of their hearing peers.

Prior research has shown deaf children have more difficulty in making friends and often feel less socially accepted than normally hearing children of the same age. The use of a cochlear device improves speech perception and language development, which researchers believe improves the children's confidence in social situations.

The research concludes that for children who regularly use a cochlear implant, feelings about life are overall no better or worse than their hearing peers. The findings signify that cochlear implants have a positive effect on certain psycho-social behaviors.

Source: Otolaryngology- Head and Neck Surgery, published online February 2010

Again with your fallicious comparisons.:roll: Try to make comparisons against things that are actually comparable, Cloggy.:roll:

Research from a medical journal to back up a medical perspective? Well who would ever guess?

Inherent problem with the research you provided: A) it does not say what you have claimed it does and B) the number of children that have been implanted under a year of age are still so few in number that even a study that would include all of them would not produce a sampling population that would come anywhere close to being generalizable.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Last night My hub and I took our hearing two kiddies to the Selena Gomez concert. First of all, god! she's soo beautiful. Back to that concert, the vibrations give out so awesome of feeling us up. LOL Yeah I can hear with my HA and the other of my left that i can hear without HA the huge speaker that closes to us. poor my kids! The point is that I bumped into the cute deaf gal who saw me signing to my hub. First, i met her last year at the concert but didn't have chance to chat with her about her CI but her talks was all about how lonely she who can speak well, attends to hearing school. She said that her parents wanted her to be normal and all so. This year, i bumped into her again, and chatted. I found that she was implanted but she did not use it. She left the processor at home. i told her how can she hear without the processor at the concert? she said, " yeah i have problem with the processor, but i can feel the vibration all like that and i usually use my other ear to listen closely to the speaker" remind you that she is raised by hearing parents who wants her to be normal. I can see that she speaks good but she has somehow had troubles reading strangers' lips. She told me that she got CI when she was close to 5 yrs old. She is 15 now. She and her parents have been agruing about the speech therapy, school issue that she wants to go to deaf school, is not allowed to learn ASL but she met other Deaf friends that she manages to learn ASL. She feels that CI is such a waste but She has no choice but hoping to get a new CI like N5 but her parents can't afford it and working on getting N5 somehow. Poor her! I told her that can't she use her current processor. She didn't answer it that i dont know why. She kept saying "my parents force me to go to the hearing school, forces me not to sign and won't let me go to the Deaf school, now they won't let me go to RIT or Galludet. I did not want to meddle her life and wanted her to enjoy the selena gomez concert tonight. Out of the blue, she asked me what did I think of her motto sign for selena. " DEAF FAN HERE, I WISH I COULD HEAR YOUR BEAUTIFUL VOICE." with full of silver glitters on the neon green sign. I thought it fits her personality but not for me. Know what i am saying. She told me that she is worried about her future if she finds out her kids will turn out Deaf then she will be upset. She said that she suffers as she was growing because of her deaf issue. ((According to her statement that it's her parents for making her feel BAD!!))) I assure her that being Deaf is not the end of the world. I even told her that she is pretty familiar with ASL, deaf events, and friends. She is lucky for it. I even said, " you know what your own childhood feels like, so i know you will make sure not to happen to your kid if they are deaf, and it is really nothing. Look at me, I am an ASL user, yes I wear Has and still enjoy the musics. I am sure you are going to be fine because you won't let it happen to yourself, right?" it makes her feel better.

She stilll wants to use CI but wanted a better CI now. I figure out that it's cochlear as I asked her if it was cochlear. She did not know what kind of CI she has now but working on getting N5. I figure out that it is cochlear.

 

[posts from hell]

Last night My hub and I took our hearing two kiddies to the Selena Gomez concert. First of all, god! she's soo beautiful. Back to that concert, the vibrations give out so awesome of feeling us up. LOL Yeah I can hear with my HA and the other of my left that i can hear without HA the huge speaker that closes to us. poor my kids! The point is that I bumped into the cute deaf gal who saw me signing to my hub. First, i met her last year at the concert but didn't have chance to chat with her about her CI but her talks was all about how lonely she who can speak well, attends to hearing school. She said that her parents wanted her to be normal and all so. This year, i bumped into her again, and chatted. I found that she was implanted but she did not use it. She left the processor at home. i told her how can she hear without the processor at the concert? she said, " yeah i have problem with the processor, but i can feel the vibration all like that and i usually use my other ear to listen closely to the speaker" remind you that she is raised by hearing parents who wants her to be normal. I can see that she speaks good but she has somehow had troubles reading strangers' lips. She told me that she got CI when she was close to 5 yrs old. She is 15 now. She and her parents have been agruing about the speech therapy, school issue that she wants to go to deaf school, is not allowed to learn ASL but she met other Deaf friends that she manages to learn ASL. She feels that CI is such a waste. She has no choice but hoping to get a new CI like N5 but her parents can't afford it and working on getting N5 somehow. Poor her! I told her that can't she use her current processor. She didn't answer it that i dont know why. She kept saying "my parents force me to go to the hearing school, forces me not to sign and won't let me go to the Deaf school, now they won't let me go to RIT or Galludet. I did not want to meddle her life and wanted her to enjoy the selena gomez concert tonight. Out of the blue, she asked me what did I think of her motto sign for selena. " DEAF FAN HERE, I WISH I COULD HEAR YOUR BEAUTIFUL VOICE." with full of silver glitters on the neon green sign. I thought it fits her personality but not for me. Know what i am saying. She told me that she is worried about her future if she finds out her kids will turn out Deaf then she will be upset. She said that she suffers as she was growing because of her deaf issue. ((According to her statement that it's her parents for making her feel BAD!!))) I assure her that being Deaf is not the end of the world. I even told her that she is pretty familiar with ASL, deaf events, and friends. She is lucky for it. I even said, " you know what your own childhood feels like, so i know you will make sure not to happen to your kid if they are deaf, and it is really nothing. Look at me, I am an ASL user, yes I wear Has and still enjoy the musics. I am sure you are going to be fine because you won't let it happen to yourself, right?" it makes her feel better.

That distracted me from the rest of the post....

 

[Cloggy]

Again with your fallicious comparisons.:roll: Try to make comparisons against things that are actually comparable, Cloggy.:roll:.............

So sorry you didn't like it....

This one then?
Informa Healthcare - Acta Oto-laryngologica - 120(543):151 - Summary

Cochlear Implantation and Change in Quality of Life
2000, Vol. 120, No. 543 , Pages 151-153
Christian E. Faber, Aksel M. Grøntved
Jens Baggesens Vej 114, 1. Th, DK-8200 Århus N, Denmark

The aim of this study was to assess the benefits of cochlear implantation (CI) in adults and to evaluate the average implant usage per day. Ten profoundly deaf adults were implanted during the period April 1994 to September 1997. The patients answered questionnaires 1 year or more after receiving their cochlear implants. All of the patients used their implant daily. The average implant usage per day was 16 h. The patients stated that, given the choice, they would again opt for a cochlear implant and would recommend a cochlear implant for a deaf friend. A paired comparison showed that the implants led to significant improvements in a number of factors: self-perceived communication skills, frequency of conversation with others, telephone usage, self-confidence and the impact of hearing impairments on family life. CI dramatically changed the quality of life for all patients. No surgical complications were observed.

Read More: Informa Healthcare - Acta Oto-laryngologica - 120(543):151 - Summary

 

[posts from hell]

So sorry you didn't like it....

This one then?
Informa Healthcare - Acta Oto-laryngologica - 120(543):151 - Summary

Cochlear Implantation and Change in Quality of Life
2000, Vol. 120, No. 543 , Pages 151-153
Christian E. Faber, Aksel M. Grøntved
Jens Baggesens Vej 114, 1. Th, DK-8200 Århus N, Denmark

The aim of this study was to assess the benefits of cochlear implantation (CI) in adults and to evaluate the average implant usage per day. Ten profoundly deaf adults were implanted during the period April 1994 to September 1997. The patients answered questionnaires 1 year or more after receiving their cochlear implants. All of the patients used their implant daily. The average implant usage per day was 16 h. The patients stated that, given the choice, they would again opt for a cochlear implant and would recommend a cochlear implant for a deaf friend. A paired comparison showed that the implants led to significant improvements in a number of factors: self-perceived communication skills, frequency of conversation with others, telephone usage, self-confidence and the impact of hearing impairments on family life. CI dramatically changed the quality of life for all patients. No surgical complications were observed.

Read More: Informa Healthcare - Acta Oto-laryngologica - 120(543):151 - Summary

Me, being a Deaf person, would recommend ASL to all of my peers

How's that?

Edit: oh, after seeing that is a denmark research - can you explain the reason deaf families moving out of denmark to sweden because of the danishs pressure towards implanting infants?

 

[jillio]

Last night My hub and I took our hearing two kiddies to the Selena Gomez concert. First of all, god! she's soo beautiful. Back to that concert, the vibrations give out so awesome of feeling us up. LOL Yeah I can hear with my HA and the other of my left that i can hear without HA the huge speaker that closes to us. poor my kids! The point is that I bumped into the cute deaf gal who saw me signing to my hub. First, i met her last year at the concert but didn't have chance to chat with her about her CI but her talks was all about how lonely she who can speak well, attends to hearing school. She said that her parents wanted her to be normal and all so. This year, i bumped into her again, and chatted. I found that she was implanted but she did not use it. She left the processor at home. i told her how can she hear without the processor at the concert? she said, " yeah i have problem with the processor, but i can feel the vibration all like that and i usually use my other ear to listen closely to the speaker" remind you that she is raised by hearing parents who wants her to be normal. I can see that she speaks good but she has somehow had troubles reading strangers' lips. She told me that she got CI when she was close to 5 yrs old. She is 15 now. She and her parents have been agruing about the speech therapy, school issue that she wants to go to deaf school, is not allowed to learn ASL but she met other Deaf friends that she manages to learn ASL. She feels that CI is such a waste. She has no choice but hoping to get a new CI like N5 but her parents can't afford it and working on getting N5 somehow. Poor her! I told her that can't she use her current processor. She didn't answer it that i dont know why. She kept saying "my parents force me to go to the hearing school, forces me not to sign and won't let me go to the Deaf school, now they won't let me go to RIT or Galludet. I did not want to meddle her life and wanted her to enjoy the selena gomez concert tonight. Out of the blue, she asked me what did I think of her motto sign for selena. " DEAF FAN HERE, I WISH I COULD HEAR YOUR BEAUTIFUL VOICE." with full of silver glitters on the neon green sign. I thought it fits her personality but not for me. Know what i am saying. She told me that she is worried about her future if she finds out her kids will turn out Deaf then she will be upset. She said that she suffers as she was growing because of her deaf issue. ((According to her statement that it's her parents for making her feel BAD!!))) I assure her that being Deaf is not the end of the world. I even told her that she is pretty familiar with ASL, deaf events, and friends. She is lucky for it. I even said, " you know what your own childhood feels like, so i know you will make sure not to happen to your kid if they are deaf, and it is really nothing. Look at me, I am an ASL user, yes I wear Has and still enjoy the musics. I am sure you are going to be fine because you won't let it happen to yourself, right?" it makes her feel better.

You know, a child's life is supposed to be carefree and happy; filled with play and spontaneous learning. I really find it sad that so many are so disturbed by their child being on the left or the right of some ideal that no one can even define (normal) that they fill that child's life with drills and exercises and surgeries to try to move them closer to that normal ideal.

 

[jillio]

Me, being a Deaf person, would recommend ASL to all of my peers

How's that?

Yeah. And what if they recommend a CI? Cloggy is ignoring all of the CI users that continue to rely on signed langauge and are considered members of the Deaf community. He is using some pretty weak support here.

Me, being a hearing person, would recommend ASL to any hearing parent or deaf client I have, no matter if they want a CI or not. What I caution against is not the CI, but the unrealistic thoughts and beliefs that so many hearing parents seem to attach to the CI.

 

[Cloggy]

Of course..that title alone is degrading for many of those who dont have CIs.

This is the problem with people who share those views...they convince society that deaf children are better off with CIs which in turn makes society much harsher on those who dont have CIs.

Anyone else see the negative implications of the wording of this stupid study?

"Stupid study by stupid people coming to stupid conclusions.."
I haven't read it either...

a better title would be????

 

[Cloggy]

Yeah. And what if they recommend a CI? Cloggy is ignoring all of the CI users that continue to rely on signed langauge and are considered members of the Deaf community. He is using some pretty weak support here.

Me, being a hearing person, would recommend ASL to any hearing parent or deaf client I have, no matter if they want a CI or not. What I caution against is not the CI, but the unrealistic thoughts and beliefs that so many hearing parents seem to attach to the CI.

What are those "unrealistic thoughts and beliefs that so many hearing parents seem to attach to the CI"...?

 

[posts from hell]

Cloggy, your thoughts on post #604?

 

[posts from hell]

What are those "unrealistic thoughts and beliefs that so many hearing parents seem to attach to the CI"...

was that a question or statement?

 

[jillio]

"Stupid study by stupid people coming to stupid conclusions.."
I haven't read it either...

a better title would be????

A better title would be: "This is what we think from a medical perspective but do not have the data to support it".

 

[jillio]

What are those "unrealistic thoughts and beliefs that so many hearing parents seem to attach to the CI"...

Start listing what you believe. It will give you a great start on identifying them.

 

[shel90]

"Stupid study by stupid people coming to stupid conclusions.."
I haven't read it either...

a better title would be????

stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid what?

 

[Cloggy]

was that a question or statement?

My apologies for the confusion.. Added a question-mark. Hope this helps..

 

[posts from hell]

My apologies for the confusion.. Added a question-mark. Hope this helps..

Visit post 612, please.

 

[faire_jour]

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I couldn't find anything on cataracts being medically harmful, but early treatment can prevent severe vision loss. I'm not sure where I stand on that point.

A Cleft lip and/or palate can interfere with an indifitual's food intake. It also poses a much higher risk for infection. Infection of any kind is dangerous, especially so near the brain. I would likely persue surgery for a cleft lip.

Club feet can be corrected usually without the use of surgery, and if not, mostly minor surgery. I would likely try to correct this with assistive devices.

All of these conditions have medical consequence if treatment is not received. Deafness does not.

ah, and there is the difference! You do not believe that deafness has "medical consequences" but others do. They believe that the auditory nerve atrophy and brain development changes that happen due to lack of auditory input constitute a "neurological emergency" (carol flexer) that would be as serious as the vision loss caused by cataracts.

 

[AlleyCat]

So I suppose my auditory nerves have atrophied by now. Oh no. What to do now?

My brain clearly has not developed correctly.

I used to see a neurologist over headaches some 25 years ago. I should go back and visit him again and tell him I have a nuerological emergency.

Give me a break.