which is better?

[faire_jour]

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nope, just straight to the point.

with a severe loss it is very unlikely that a child would have access to enough of spoken language with hearing aids to develop the ability to understand spoken language through listening.

if that is not of value, then absolutely do NOT implant. There are plenty of people who don't value that at all. I happen to, but who cares! A person can have a wonderful, successful life without it.

asl and written english can (and do) provide the ability to read and write and communicate. There are tons of Deaf people who are successful every day with those tools.

but again, no action is a choice. Waiting is a decision. That is the truth. And there is nothing wrong with saying that

I feel like I am playing the game "Can you see 10 things that's wrong with this picture?"

faire-jour - you so badly want to be considered a good mom for implanting your child that you would go so far as to present false and misleading information and imply to other parents they don't value their children if they choose not to implant.

I feel sorry for you. I really do.

i didn't say anything like that. I said that if they don't value developing spoken language through listening, don't bother to implant.

my child has nothing to do with it. You need to read my posts again.

 

[faire_jour]

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nope, just straight to the point.

with a severe loss it is very unlikely that a child would have access to enough of spoken language with hearing aids to develop the ability to understand spoken language through listening.

if that is not of value, then absolutely do NOT implant. There are plenty of people who don't value that at all. I happen to, but who cares! A person can have a wonderful, successful life without it.

asl and written english can (and do) provide the ability to read and write and communicate. There are tons of Deaf people who are successful every day with those tools.

but again, no action is a choice. Waiting is a decision. That is the truth. And there is nothing wrong with saying that

I feel like I am playing the game "Can you see 10 things that's wrong with this picture?"

faire-jour - you so badly want to be considered a good mom for implanting your child that you would go so far as to present false and misleading information and imply to other parents they don't value their children if they choose not to implant.

I feel sorry for you. I really do.

i didn't say anything like that. I said that if they don't value developing spoken language through listening, don't bother to implant.

my child has nothing to do with it. You need to read my posts again.

 

[Frisky Feline]

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no i didn't. I have no idea what you are talking about.

dwai

 

[DeafCaroline]

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i didn't say anything like that. I said that if they don't value developing spoken language through listening, don't bother to implant.

my child has nothing to do with it. You need to read my posts again.

your child has EVERYTHING to do with it. You would not even be here if you didn't have a deaf child. If your child wanted to hear so badly, it's because you made her want that. I was a very happy kid before wearing hearing aids. Had no idea i was missing out on this thing called sound until hearing aids were put on me and people pointing out what I was not hearing - like "oh, you hear the birds whistling in the trees? No? ohhhhhh.....well, it sounds lovely, sorry you can't hear that." "Can you understand what they're saying in the songs? No? Ohhhhh...that's too bad."

Your child will grow up with the same reminders of what she cannot hear with her implants because you put her in that position. Believe me, it gets to one's psyche after a while, especially when they are young and vulnerable.

What you don't seem to get is that your child will want what you want for her. For all you know, she could have grown up stone deaf and be perfectly okay with that but you took that choice away from her. Now she will have to grow up constantly explaining CIs do not give perfect hearing and she will grow up being reminded by everyone what she is missing out on when they ask if she can hear this or that. You evidently didn't take that into consideration when you got her implanted.

 

[jillio]

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yes, i hope she will pm the actual people who have implant or experience with pediatric implantation.

This is a mom that is on top of things. I don't think she needs, or desires, any CI advertising from you or anyone else.

 

[jillio]

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nope, just straight to the point.

with a severe loss it is very unlikely that a child would have access to enough of spoken language with hearing aids to develop the ability to understand spoken language through listening.

if that is not of value, then absolutely do NOT implant. There are plenty of people who don't value that at all. I happen to, but who cares! A person can have a wonderful, successful life without it.

asl and written english can (and do) provide the ability to read and write and communicate. There are tons of Deaf people who are successful every day with those tools.

but again, no action is a choice. Waiting is a decision. That is the truth. And there is nothing wrong with saying that

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frankiesmom is intelligent enough to detect an agenda when she sees one.

 

[jillio]

whether is HA or CI, the longer you delay, the worse the results, is as simple as that.

Fuzzy

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[jillio]

Of course not. He is being conditioned by 'audist' hater since early on.

btw just because I believe any amount of hearing is beneficial, just as any amount of seeing is, doesn't make me necessarily an audist.

It's clear we have a few master manipulators here , and whatever view you don't like, you will annihilate, and influence others.
"only you can be right", eh?

Fuzzy

There are plenty of things that make you an audist. And yes, he was taught that audism is nothing more than discrimination the same way that racism is, and that it is wrong. All children should be taught the same.

 

[jillio]

well, its irrelevant anyways..we have decided that we are going to just help him adjust, learn sign language along with him, and let him develop to his full potential! i think hearing aids will help him just fine and if they dont, it will still be ok. there are so many resources out there, that i dont see him really missing out at all.

Like I said earlier, you are a mom that is on top of things.

 

[jillio]

WRONG! You werent labeled as audist...your statement was. Big difference.

Some appear to be incapable of understanding the difference. It is that overly defensive attitude in the audists that I have referred to.

 

[jillio]

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he would be missing out on th ability to hear and understand the spoken language of others.

but if that is not of value to you, more power to you. But know, you ARE making that choice.

Again, you are wrong. And how dare you post such a statement insinuating that you are so far superior to parents who don't do it your way and put their kids through 2 surgeries with the possibility of more to come just because you want her to be a reasonable facsimile of a hearing child. You are shameless.

 

[posts from hell]

Six people against one. Take your pick.

 

[jillio]

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nope, just straight to the point.

with a severe loss it is very unlikely that a child would have access to enough of spoken language with hearing aids to develop the ability to understand spoken language through listening.

if that is not of value, then absolutely do NOT implant. There are plenty of people who don't value that at all. I happen to, but who cares! A person can have a wonderful, successful life without it.

asl and written english can (and do) provide the ability to read and write and communicate. There are tons of Deaf people who are successful every day with those tools.

but again, no action is a choice. Waiting is a decision. That is the truth. And there is nothing wrong with saying that

Take your agenda and stuff it up your azz. You are offensive and arrogant.

 

[faire_jour]

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i didn't say anything like that. I said that if they don't value developing spoken language through listening, don't bother to implant.

my child has nothing to do with it. You need to read my posts again.

your child has EVERYTHING to do with it. You would not even be here if you didn't have a deaf child. If your child wanted to hear so badly, it's because you made her want that. I was a very happy kid before wearing hearing aids. Had no idea i was missing out on this thing called sound until hearing aids were put on me and people pointing out what I was not hearing - like "oh, you hear the birds whistling in the trees? No? ohhhhhh.....well, it sounds lovely, sorry you can't hear that." "Can you understand what they're saying in the songs? No? Ohhhhh...that's too bad."

Your child will grow up with the same reminders of what she cannot hear with her implants because you put her in that position. Believe me, it gets to one's psyche after a while, especially when they are young and vulnerable.

What you don't seem to get is that your child will want what you want for her. For all you know, she could have grown up stone deaf and be perfectly okay with that but you took that choice away from her. Now she will have to grow up constantly explaining CIs do not give perfect hearing and she will grow up being reminded by everyone what she is missing out on when they ask if she can hear this or that. You evidently didn't take that into consideration when you got her implanted.

that shows just how much you don't know about my situation. My daughter was born hearing and slowly lost her hearing. She expressed to us that she did miss hearing.

 

[DeafCaroline]

faire_jour - I've read your blog, starting with the very first post...give me a break. She only knew three words and had not been hearing very much since she was a baby and yet somehow managed to get across to you that she wants to hear because she could remember what it was like to hear when she was an infant? really? I find that very hard to believe.

I found this link very illuminating: CIs have far more cons than pros whereas HAs have far more pros than cons. So glad my mother didn't implant me. I would have gone nuts with all those restrictions.

Advantages & Disadvantages: Hearing Aids vs. Cochlear Implants for Those with Severe Hearing Loss

 

[faire_jour]

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faire_jour - I've read your blog, starting with the very first post...give me a break. She only knew three words and had not been hearing very much since she was a baby and yet somehow managed to get across to you that she wants to hear because she could remember what it was like to hear when she was an infant? really? I find that very hard to believe.

I found this link very illuminating: CIs have far more cons than pros whereas HAs have far more pros than cons. So glad my mother didn't implant me. I would have gone nuts with all those restrictions.

Advantages & Disadvantages: Hearing Aids vs. Cochlear Implants for Those with Severe Hearing Loss

my child specifically asked, after a drop in hearing, why she could hear her toys anymore. Just because she didn't have spoken language does NOT mean that she didn't have language. Also, for the first 5 years of her life she had a moderate loss. She was Deaf, but audiologically hoh.

as for the link, that is one person's opinion. The only limitation my child has is from a van graff machine and scuba diving beyond a certain depth.

 

[Jane B.]

faire_jour - I've read your blog, starting with the very first post...give me a break. She only knew three words and had not been hearing very much since she was a baby and yet somehow managed to get across to you that she wants to hear because she could remember what it was like to hear when she was an infant? really? I find that very hard to believe.

I found this link very illuminating: CIs have far more cons than pros whereas HAs have far more pros than cons. So glad my mother didn't implant me. I would have gone nuts with all those restrictions.

Advantages & Disadvantages: Hearing Aids vs. Cochlear Implants for Those with Severe Hearing Loss

This article is 10 years old! Surely there have been changes since then?

 

[jillio]

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that shows just how much you don't know about my situation. My daughter was born hearing and slowly lost her hearing. She expressed to us that she did miss hearing.

Your story changes to suit your purpose.:roll:

 

[jillio]

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my child specifically asked, after a drop in hearing, why she could hear her toys anymore. Just because she didn't have spoken language does NOT mean that she didn't have language. Also, for the first 5 years of her life she had a moderate loss. She was Deaf, but audiologically hoh.

as for the link, that is one person's opinion. The only limitation my child has is from a van graff machine and scuba diving beyond a certain depth.

Blah, blah, blah. Don't you understand that you have virtually no credibility around here? Even the new members see through you.

 

[jillio]

This article is 10 years old! Surely there have been changes since then?

Not really. Not as far as advantages and disadvantages go.