Successful aqustiion of oral skills did not begin and end with CIs!
How true!
Successful aqustiion of oral skills did not begin and end with CIs!
They're like cochlear implants, but it doesn't involve surgery. So really think about that.
Hearing Aids-
Oh no, they are so NOT.
Fuzzy
deafdyke said:Wirelessly posted
nope, just straight to the point.
with a severe loss it is very unlikely that a child would have access to enough of spoken language with hearing aids to develop the ability to understand spoken language through listening.
if that is not of value, then absolutely do NOT implant. There are plenty of people who don't value that at all. I happen to, but who cares! A person can have a wonderful, successful life without it.
asl and written english can (and do) provide the ability to read and write and communicate. There are tons of Deaf people who are successful every day with those tools.
but again, no action is a choice. Waiting is a decision. That is the truth. And there is nothing wrong with saying that
Oh really? How do you know? I know tons of kids who are functionally hoh with hearing aids who have severe/severe-profound and even PROFOUND losses!!!!!! Every kid is different with how they respond to hearing technology.
God, back in the 80's there were still lots of kids at Clarke/DePaul/CID/St. Joseph's/ other oral programs..........and they were SUCESSFUL?!?!?! Sucessful aqustiion of oral skills did not begin and end with CIs!
deafdyke said:Coolgirl,the root cause of faire joure's rants against Deaf Schools have to do with the fact that the speech therapy at her daughter's bi bi program was REALLY bad. She does not understand that there are a plethora of schools out there that have accomodnated themselves to the CI, and offer hoh style services to CI and hoh kids.
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you are flat out wrong. The school was absolutely amazing, for a very small segment of the population. They were amazing. They did what they do beautifully. I have never once, for a second advocated against deaf schools.
plus, this discussion is about cis not schools.
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plus, this discussion is about cis not schools.
@DeafCaroline
That's a very offensive post you just made. I'd be willing to bet that you placed your child in far greater danger every day he has lived with you than FJ did by choosing CI surgery for her child. In fact, to paraphrase your accusation: 'now your child has all of the following to worry about thanks to you':
Have you ever placed your child in a car? If so, you must be comfortable exposing a child to the leading cause of death (aside from disease and natural causes). Putting it in the same terms you posed to FJ, Hey, your child was able to get to the local Kroger or Target, was that trip worth the risk of death?
Do you have a bath in your home, or worse, a pool in your yard? Live near a body of water? Drowning is #2.
Do you have a stove/oven? Cook in your home? Have any old electronics in use? How are the wires in your home? Any smokers nearby? Fire / Burning is another leading cause of death. Do you expose your child to those risk factors?
Cleaning fluids? Lawn/car care chemicals? Poisoning is up there.
Do you think bedding is a nice to have? Consider strangulation/suffocation.
CI surgery isn't a cause of death. Terrible accidents can happen at any point in our lives, including during CI surgery or during a trip to the local supermarket.
The one thing I want to say about your post is that, yes, Caroline has those things to worry about with her child.
But, so do you. CI or not. And, in addition to.
@DeafCaroline
That's a very offensive post you just made. I'd be willing to bet that you placed your child in far greater danger every day he has lived with you than FJ did by choosing CI surgery for her child. In fact, to paraphrase your accusation: 'now your child has all of the following to worry about thanks to you':
Have you ever placed your child in a car? If so, you must be comfortable exposing a child to the leading cause of death (aside from disease and natural causes). Putting it in the same terms you posed to FJ, Hey, your child was able to get to the local Kroger or Target, was that trip worth the risk of death?
Do you have a bath in your home, or worse, a pool in your yard? Live near a body of water? Drowning is #2.
Do you have a stove/oven? Cook in your home? Have any old electronics in use? How are the wires in your home? Any smokers nearby? Fire / Burning is another leading cause of death. Do you expose your child to those risk factors?
Cleaning fluids? Lawn/car care chemicals? Poisoning is up there.
Do you think bedding is a nice to have? Consider strangulation/suffocation.
CI surgery isn't a cause of death. Terrible accidents can happen at any point in our lives, including during CI surgery or during a trip to the local supermarket.
But that's just it. DC wrote a post accusing FJ of exposing her child to unnecessary risk. That's cruel and unnecessary when the risk of CIs are infinitesimal compared with the risks every parent exposes his or her child to daily. Peanut butter is more dangerous than CIs. Letting a child ride a bike: far, far more dangerous.
I wouldn't write a post condemning a parent for exposing his or her child to risk because they let their child ride a bike, ride in a car, enter school. That's absurd and nasty. I'd advise caution to parents: have your children wear seat belts if you ride in a car, wear helmets if you bike, get vaccinated for meningitis if your child is deaf, whether or not you choose CIs (deaf/HOH kids have a significantly higher incidence of meningitis than hearing kids, without CIs), and so on. You can't keep your child wrapped in cotton at home -- even that is probably dangerous .
But that's just it. DC wrote a post accusing FJ of exposing her child to unnecessary risk. That's cruel and unnecessary when the risk of CIs are infinitesimal compared with the risks every parent exposes his or her child to daily. Peanut butter is more dangerous than CIs. Letting a child ride a bike: far, far more dangerous.
I wouldn't write a post condemning a parent for exposing his or her child to risk because they let their child ride a bike, ride in a car, enter school. That's absurd and nasty. I'd advise caution to parents: have your children wear seat belts if you ride in a car, wear helmets if you bike, get vaccinated for meningitis if your child is deaf, whether or not you choose CIs (deaf/HOH kids have a significantly higher incidence of meningitis than hearing kids, without CIs), and so on. You can't keep your child wrapped in cotton at home -- even that is probably dangerous .
I'm offensive for posting the cons of CIs as stated by the FDA? I'm making a point to faire_jour that if we're going to be frank, then let's be really frank.
No, we have all read the warnings, know the risks. What's offensive are your comments. "ok, faire_jour - you had no compunction about dumping on a small child the following risks, published by FDA in 2010 without her full knowledge of all that CIs entail. Of course she couldn't know, she was just a small child. Once she just had poor hearing, now she has all of the following to worry about thanks to you:"
I've had people who are against sending a child out of district object to my daughter's long trip to her school for the Deaf, accusing me of bad parenting for subjecting her to 3-4 hours in a van every day. She's been in two small accidents in the past 2 years on her way to and from school. Very scary. I'm putting her at more risk every day just by doing that than by getting a CI. But we take precautions. She wears a seatbelt. I know the safety record of her driver. I know the route they take. I don't like the risk. Is learning ASL worth her life? No. But that's not a fair equation. Neither is the one that you are making.
GrendelQ - so what should I do? pretend those risks don't exist? They do and every single parent thinking about implanting their baby needs to know them and evaluate whether it's worth making someone, a baby, endure all those possible risks that FAR outweigh the pros of CIs. I, being a deaf person, would not do that to my baby. EVER. If others want to, fine, I wish them the best of luck but I am not going to pretend there are no risks to CIs and if you can't handle the plain truth, that's not my problem.
I have never once, for a second advocated against deaf schools.