do you think downs sydromes should be in Deaf school deaf unit?

I remember somewhere that video said Deaf schools probably become "Schools for the Disabilities" in future. Do you remember the explanation said Deaf schools have more non-deaf and deaf students with disabilities or a kind of medical conditions than deaf and hard of hearing students?

It probably would be effect on their teaching styles...
 
Stargazer Lilies said:
I feel everyone have the rights to receive the education they deserve and learns at their pace they are capable of, but I do not think school or teacher have the rights to force students to slow down for the others because they lack the resources.

By the way I went to deaf school, and I was moving at faster pace than my own classmates. I finish assignments and chapters ahead of the time. Often I'd ignore the lecture and doodling instead.

When teacher calls for my attention and accuses me of not paying attention. I'd ask her to ask me question on the topic she gave lecture on. So she did, and I answered it correctly.

It doesn't matter...she still penalized me for turn in the assignments from later chapters early.

I repeatedly request my teachers to let me to learn on my own instead of going with slower pace of my classmates, and have one on one session when needed. What's wrong with that? It is a good solution in my own opinion. They still refused.

Now as for mainstreaming...unfortunately there was none in my area and my parents won't fight for it.

When my family moved, I went to different deaf school. In one class, the history repeats, and the teacher did something different. She screamed at me to help my classmates. The school decides enroll me in mainstream program for half of the day throughout my time at that school. The coordinator at that deaf school say I should be in the gifted program.

My point...everyone should be able to learn at their own pace one way or the other.
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If you go to public that is impossible to do , the schools do not have enough money to allow each student to learn at their own pace. And when this does happen the students are dumped to one room with a burned out teacher and given work way below their grade level just to be able to pass the students.
I had this happen to me and I got a horrible education. I never had to write a book report until I was in high school and I was totally lost in knowing how to start it. I never read any plays or poems in JR high, our teacher read stories to us and we did not have to write a report on them.
I saw on the news some schools in the poorer cities have drop the school standard just to get the students to pass school and the teachers can keep their jobs. The students lose out as they're not being challenge and get a piece of paper that mean nothing on graduation day.
 
Frisky Feline said:
You mean it depends on each individual's mental capabilities of learning?
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yes...Downs can be broad spectrum i known of some that got A'level in music and second language,child care etc..others doing regular work in banks,i travelled with them to london or rather i seen them on trains on their own off to work ..Known of a few at regular school who been in the middle school of learning .thats all you can ask of any child be average and any better is bonus and i seen some doing bsl not so much for themselves but for other sibs or parents but need for bsl has gone down as fewer deaf children
each child got be taken on merrits.
i once saw young Downs kid who was 50% better than so called average in her class and parents going nuts said bad teaching which far from truth...parents have to fight get their Downs child into mainstream or specialised schools most are just put into local special needs schools but be wrong to lump everyone who got some sort of problem in together that be counter productive
 
CSign said:
Actually, it is against the law to take into consideration the cost when determining individual needs of students. It's not about what is cost effective- it is about what's appropriate for any individual.
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It may be the law, but it is also a reality one cannot avoid.
 
shel90 said:
Well, you are lucky you had the skills. Not everyone does. Most young children don't even know how to stay focused..they are curious about their world and any disruptive students in their classes will catch their attention while having a tantrum. I should know because I have a class this year with students who have disruptive behavior problems and it takes all of my energy to control their behaviors while to keep on teaching the others who don't have behavior issues.
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Can you ask for a teacher's aide to help you during class , or is there not enough money to hire one? I was in the special needs class and it was a nightmare! There was one student that had tourette syndromes and he would sit under the teacher's desk and tell the class what color underpants she had on everyday. That student was very disruptive .
 
It would be bad idea because downs syndromes would be left out along with other deaf during lacking sign language. Only very rare downs syndromes, I knew that know ASL but not that well. It would be issues for both each other.
 
caz12 said:
yes...Downs can be broad spectrum i known of some that got A'level in music and second language,child care etc..others doing regular work in banks,i travelled with them to london or rather i seen them on trains on their own off to work ..Known of a few at regular school who been in the middle school of learning .thats all you can ask of any child be average and any better is bonus and i seen some doing bsl not so much for themselves but for other sibs or parents but need for bsl has gone down as fewer deaf children
each child got be taken on merrits.
i once saw young Downs kid who was 50% better than so called average in her class and parents going nuts said bad teaching which far from truth...parents have to fight get their Downs child into mainstream or specialised schools most are just put into local special needs schools but be wrong to lump everyone who got some sort of problem in together that be counter productive
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That is a great knowledge of news in public. It needs showing more of the media like this. But not in my case years ago some of them didnt do well due to one teacher and one aid teacher that were overwhleming with 8 to 10 kids. :|
 
Lukin said:
i'd be embarrassed...

And no, definitely not!
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How old are you?

Your attitude is pretty much on par with an immature high school kid.

What are you going to do when your own kid is disabled? Lock him/her up in the basement?
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Can you ask for a teacher's aide to help you during class , or is there not enough money to hire one? I was in the special needs class and it was a nightmare! There was one student that had tourette syndromes and he would sit under the teacher's desk and tell the class what color underpants she had on everyday. That student was very disruptive .
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I have a teacher's aide but the students get distracted no matter what. Deaf children are very visual and they spot anything different happening in their environment right away.
 
shel90 said:
I have a teacher's aide but the students get distracted no matter what. Deaf children are very visual and they spot anything different happening in their environment right away.
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yeah my old teachers often picked on me when i caused the distraction eniviroment in the classrom. LOL later, i found out why i have ADHD.. go figure. LOL
 
green427 said:
How old are you?

Your attitude is pretty much on par with an immature high school kid.

What are you going to do when your own kid is disabled? Lock him/her up in the basement?
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This was the same person who posted clit-mutilation videos. You do the math. (They've since been deleted. Even I didn't have to say anything about that. )
 
Not saying aye or nay. There are some DS kids who ARE Deaf, and they belong in a Deaf special needs program. And then there are DS people who tend to have severe apraxia issues, and who use ASL as an expressive language. Those kids can fit in VERY WELL with a Deaf Ed class.
But a Downs kid would do much better in a life skills class. Heck, the pacing of a Deaf ed class might be too much for many "just Down's" kids.
Also, there does seem to be some parents who beg for a Deaf Ed setting b/c it seems " more normal" then mentally disabled ed. Like they are convinced that if their kid gets ASL, it will be revealed that the kid actually isn't all that affected.
 
deafdyke said:
Not saying aye or nay. There are some DS kids who ARE Deaf, and they belong in a Deaf special needs program. And then there are DS people who tend to have severe apraxia issues, and who use ASL as an expressive language. Those kids can fit in VERY WELL with a Deaf Ed class.
But a Downs kid would do much better in a life skills class. Heck, the pacing of a Deaf ed class might be too much for many "just Down's" kids.
Also, there does seem to be some parents who beg for a Deaf Ed setting b/c it seems " more normal" then mentally disabled ed. Like they are convinced that if their kid gets ASL, it will be revealed that the kid actually isn't all that affected.
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that bit, is a real problem, more so this particular woman in my town IS stealing NZSL and Deaf culture for her own guilty greed. She is in denial about the DS girl, who CANT do even fingerspell, and is quite disruptive in Deaf ed classes.
It's a mess, not needed.
 
green427 said:
How old are you?

Your attitude is pretty much on par with an immature high school kid.

What are you going to do when your own kid is disabled? Lock him/her up in the basement?
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i wouldnt say he's lock them up, nah, just more likely hope or expect the DS kids to be placed in the right place, not alongside Deaf!,...why slow us down?!, that is what i get....I WOULD be embarrassed too...just imagine yourself as 16 years old, Deaf have CI (or just a HA) and quite good at maths, and likes a bit of science and art (painting)...and then you have a same age DS student who cant sign right, cant spell out words, have mental ability of an 8 yo in the high school, imagine what other kids (ie your classmates) would think of you if you're in there at the lunch hour, or for an tutoring catch up hours...you'd be blushing or irrated right?!!
of course you would be and no one should blame you, but the stupid parent of the DS, pushing to 'pretend their kid is more deaf than as a retarded DS'...
DD said it right there too.

there seem too much of PC going around, with all the 'being nice' well, we need to get real about it too
 
deafdyke said:
Not saying aye or nay. There are some DS kids who ARE Deaf, and they belong in a Deaf special needs program. And then there are DS people who tend to have severe apraxia issues, and who use ASL as an expressive language. Those kids can fit in VERY WELL with a Deaf Ed class.
But a Downs kid would do much better in a life skills class. Heck, the pacing of a Deaf ed class might be too much for many "just Down's" kids.
Also, there does seem to be some parents who beg for a Deaf Ed setting b/c it seems " more normal" then mentally disabled ed. Like they are convinced that if their kid gets ASL, it will be revealed that the kid actually isn't all that affected.
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Okay then. :ugh2:
 
Grummer said:
i wouldnt say he's lock them up, nah, just more likely hope or expect the DS kids to be placed in the right place, not alongside Deaf!,...why slow us down?!, that is what i get....I WOULD be embarrassed too...just imagine yourself as 16 years old, Deaf have CI (or just a HA) and quite good at maths, and likes a bit of science and art (painting)...and then you have a same age DS student who cant sign right, cant spell out words, have mental ability of an 8 yo in the high school, imagine what other kids (ie your classmates) would think of you if you're in there at the lunch hour, or for an tutoring catch up hours...you'd be blushing or irrated right?!!
of course you would be and no one should blame you, but the stupid parent of the DS, pushing to 'pretend their kid is more deaf than as a retarded DS'...
DD said it right there too.

there seem too much of PC going around, with all the 'being nice' well, we need to get real about it too
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Wow. I disagree on many levels. I'm sorry you've been conditioned to feel this way.
 
CSign said:
Wow. I disagree on many levels. I'm sorry you've been conditioned to feel this way.
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i feel sorry for you as you've been indocrintated, on so many unrealistic expectations.
 
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