World Comparison

[jillio]

what changed the fact is the distorted perception of this misguided agenda.

What distorted perception and misquided agenda? Numbers are numbers, and time sequence is time sequence. Neither one has an agenda.

 

[Reba]

Those exact numbers are not available. That does not, however, change the fact that the numbers have risen since the ban was allowed to expire.

So the expiration of the ban may have nothing to do with the increase in casualties.

 

[jillio]

So the expiration of the ban may have nothing to do with the increase in casualties.

Correlation has been shown. Cause and effect has not. Correlation is sufficient to look into exactly what the relationship is, however. Allowing the ban to expire is also indicative of a generalized attitude toward firearms. It is not as simple as just putting more guns on the street.

 

[Jiro]

Correlation has been shown. Cause and effect has not. Correlation is sufficient to look into exactly what the relationship is, however. Allowing the ban to expire is also indicative of a generalized attitude toward firearms. It is not as simple as just putting more guns on the street.

exactly. it is not that simple to state the correlation which established the relationship that the rise of gun deaths was due to discontinuation of weapon bans. I've already shown you that the correlation was inconclusive.

 

[Reba]

Correlation has been shown. Cause and effect has not. Correlation is sufficient to look into exactly what the relationship is, however. Allowing the ban to expire is also indicative of a generalized attitude toward firearms. It is not as simple as just putting more guns on the street.

Who said the expiration of the ban put more guns "on the street?"

 

[jillio]

exactly. it is not that simple to state the correlation which established the relationship that the rise of gun deaths was due to discontinuation of weapon bans. I've already shown you that the correlation was inconclusive.

Ever hear of the concept of acess to the means? Where did I ever say that correlation was conclusive? I think you are confused again. However, the numbers do show a positive correlation. Weaker restrictions>>higher rate of gun deaths. I never once stated a cause and effect; simply that the correlation was there.

 

[jillio]

So the expiration of the ban may have nothing to do with the increase in casualties.

The correlation is there.

 

[Foxrac]

So the expiration of the ban may have nothing to do with the increase in casualties.

Yup, I have agree with you.

There's many black market that sell firearm so illegally to make blame on good citizens who is gun owners.

 

[jillio]

Yup, I have agree with you.

There's many black market that sell firearm so illegally to make blame on good citizens who is gun owners.

If the black market was responsible, why did the rise not occur until after the ban expired?

 

[Foxrac]

If the black market was responsible, why did the rise not occur until after the ban expired?

There's no source about firearm-related murder has increased after Clinton's gun control law expired, there's some factors that cause firearm-related murder to increase, such as US was in recession in early 2000's and make black market so more bigger and bigger, it has been became change the society in 2000's and CA has strict gun control but most of gangs and future gun owners are favor into black market to get guns and their gun control law isn't 100% effective but rather to make black market so bigger.

I don't believe in gun control law that harms to good citizens who want to be gun owners, including skyrocket of price for firearm sales.

 

[jillio]

There's no source about firearm-related murder has increased after Clinton's gun control law expired, there's some factors that cause firearm-related murder to increase, such as US was in recession in early 2000's and make black market so more bigger and bigger, it has been became change the society in 2000's and CA has strict gun control but most of gangs and future gun owners are favor into black market to get guns and their gun control law isn't 100% effective but rather to make black market so bigger.

I don't believe in gun control law that harms to good citizens who want to be gun owners, including skyrocket of price for firearm sales.

Then why didn't we see a rise in the number of deaths between 1994 and 2004?

 

[Foxrac]

Then why didn't we see a rise in the number of deaths between 1994 and 2004?

I'm really don't care, gun control law is supposed not to be harm to any citizens and take their rights away.

Black market has become an problem in 2000's, just like other example of illegal immigrants has increased as well.

ATF, FBI, ICE and CBP are supposed to be responsible to handle the situation with illegal sale of firearm.

 

[jillio]

I'm really don't care, gun control law is supposed not to be harm to any citizens and take their rights away.

Black market has become an problem in 2000's, just like other example of illegal immigrants has increased as well.

ATF, FBI, ICE and CBP are supposed to be responsible to handle the situation with illegal sale of firearm.

The Black Market has been a problem for many, many years, not just the last 8. But even if we just go back to 2000, the death numbers did not increase in 2000. They increased for the first time in 10 years in 2005. So we can't blame the black market for the increase. It might have been a confounding variable, and it might have contributed, but it certainly can't be said that it is completely responsible.

 

[Lighthouse77]

Who said the expiration of the ban put more guns "on the street?"

they didn't take their guns away, did they (after the ban that is)? If they didn't, then why the decrease?


sometimes, I think people just like to misbehave... just like the stock market everytime Obama speak.

 

[jillio]

they didn't take their guns away, did they (after the ban that is)? If they didn't, then why the decrease?


sometimes, I think people just like to misbehave... just like the stock market everytime Obama speak.

Well, there wasn't a decrease in the numbers. There just wasn't an increase in the numbers until after the ban expired.

 

[Jiro]

If the black market was responsible, why did the rise not occur until after the ban expired?

Then why didn't we see a rise in the number of deaths between 1994 and 2004?

i'm confused. how can they determine the rise if you stated that the exact numbers are not available for time when assault weapons were banned?

 

[deafbajagal]

Is there a Sparksnote version of this thread so I don't have to read it all (and getting a headache). LOL

I want an assault weapon in my home. And if someone attempts to break in my house, I will not hesitate to use it.

If someone attempts to harm my family or me, I will not hesitate to use it.

If someone eats my last Oreo in the cupboard...

 

[Jiro]

Well, there wasn't a decrease in the numbers. There just wasn't an increase in the numbers until after the ban expired.

you know - I just had a thought. One can argue that since after the ban expired, the people finally have the means of self-defense.... thus resulting in increase of gun-related deaths. I suppose that during ban, the knife deaths were high... and the rape/assault crimes were high

 

[Jiro]

Is there a Sparksnote version of this thread so I don't have to read it all (and getting a headache). LOL

sorry LOL. I wish it was that simple. It's a rather complicated issue... which is why gun debate is always a hot subject every year

I want an assault weapon in my home. And if someone attempts to break in my house, I will not hesitate to use it.

If someone attempts to harm my family or me, I will not hesitate to use it.

You know - Even though I don't like Assault Weapons Ban, I actually do not support the use of assault weapon in suburb area or the area with high population in close proximity. Assault Weapon is a serious firepower. It can go thru a person, hitting the innocent from behind. For home self-defense, I'd prefer people using either pistol or shotgun - preferably a shotgun because it's the easiest weapon to use for one who has no or minimal firearm training. Marksmanship skill for shotgun is not needed either. if it were up to me - I'd require people to have trainings in order to be qualified to use assault weapons. I do not support allowing the assault weapons to have "full automatic" capability for civilian purpose.

However - "Assault Weapons Ban" issue is not and should not be an issue in here on bigger picture because assault weapon is EXPENSIVE! it's usually $4,000 or more! the bullets for assault weapon are very costly too! That's why it's ridiculous of gun haters to say that the deaths were on the rise since assault weapons ban expired. Buying assault weapon on black market???? that's gotta cost at least $10,000!!! (and that's without bullets!) Why would they buy several thousand dollars assault weapons for criminal purpose when they can get a pistol or sawed off shotgun for a few hundred bucks?

If someone eats my last Oreo in the cupboard...

oh my lordy! <put my hand away>

 

[deafbajagal]

People ask me why I like assault weapons.

Easy answer.

Hard to miss.