What freedoms did we used to have in the U.S.A that we don't have now?

We come along ways in communication, I believe in some cases, there are calls being monitored on land phones not sure if they apply to cell phones. Bec of what happened to your nation the call privacy is not so private anymore. We lost the freedom calling privilage.
 
As for gun control....do you really need to have that AK-47 in your house? Certain guns we should be able to have, other guns--no.

Have you seen TV show Jericho... if not. Rent and watch full 1st season and 2nd season. Then you will want AK-47 in your home after viewing the show.

Again its hypothetical idea of how to defend ourselves. I would hate to have a pistol up against AK-47. My chances of surrival will be slim if I have no skills of using the pistol.

I wish we could develop more independent home, not fully rely on electric grid or anything. Each home should be independent supporting itself. Full solar panel, wind mills, and water mills to produce energy to support our place on our own. That freedom I would love to have with my own home.
 
Have you seen TV show Jericho... if not. Rent and watch full 1st season and 2nd season. Then you will want AK-47 in your home after viewing the show.

Again its hypothetical idea of how to defend ourselves. I would hate to have a pistol up against AK-47. My chances of surrival will be slim if I have no skills of using the pistol.

I wish we could develop more independent home, not fully rely on electric grid or anything. Each home should be independent supporting itself. Full solar panel, wind mills, and water mills to produce energy to support our place on our own. That freedom I would love to have with my own home.

I wouldn't base the need for going armed on a fictional T.V. show if I were you. Its meant for entertainment purposes.
 
HMmm probably the internet in the last 15 years or so..dunno...

The internet? Can you elaborate on that and how are we losing the freedom of using the internet itself?

That is a big issue with me cuz as a teacher, we have children who do not respect adults or authority because their parents are too afraid to punish them for fear of the govt getting involved. It is time to tell the govt to back off..

The problem is that we still have the freedom to discipline our children. It's that people can't differentiate between discipline and abuse.

I agree with both of you, Shel and Byrdie. We may be able to discipline our children with proper use but the question is, Just how much proper actions is needed to be done without the government getting on our back for that?

It's already confusing as it is when a government agency says one thing and another government agency says another thing.

Segregation.

So, How does segregation apply to the freedom that this country once had or hadn't?
 
Have you seen TV show Jericho... if not. Rent and watch full 1st season and 2nd season. Then you will want AK-47 in your home after viewing the show.

Again its hypothetical idea of how to defend ourselves. I would hate to have a pistol up against AK-47. My chances of surrival will be slim if I have no skills of using the pistol.

I wish we could develop more independent home, not fully rely on electric grid or anything. Each home should be independent supporting itself. Full solar panel, wind mills, and water mills to produce energy to support our place on our own. That freedom I would love to have with my own home.

I've seen it and it's entertainment as jillio pointed out.

Just another movie by Hollywood. I wouldn't give into paranoia.
 
I wouldn't base the need for going armed on a fictional T.V. show if I were you. Its meant for entertainment purposes.

I rather to be mental prepared for a situation like Jericho. I know its entertainment. However, if you were in their shoes and all cities were wiped out by terrorist. How are you going to depend on military when you are too far out of area of support needed. Too many people will need help, military will struggle and be overpowered by civilians like us.

Its more of mental thing.
 
I wouldn't base the need for going armed on a fictional T.V. show if I were you. Its meant for entertainment purposes.

Maybe, but if you've been through Andrew (Cat 5 hurricane that tore apart the area south of Miami), looting, food shortages, loss of power and a huge mess...you'll want to have protection just in case.

I can't imagine what happened in LA after Katrina and right now in Galveston after Ike but if the criminal elements are there, then you want to protect yourself.

Even the National Guard had a bad apple or two commiting crimes in Miami after Hurricane Andrew!!!!
 
Maybe, but if you've been through Andrew (Cat 5 hurricane that tore apart the area south of Miami), looting, food shortages, loss of power and a huge mess...you'll want to have protection just in case.

I can't imagine what happened in LA after Katrina and right now in Galveston after Ike but if the criminal elements are there, then you want to protect yourself.

Even the National Guard had a bad apple or two commiting crimes in Miami after Hurricane Andrew!!!!

Agreed. But this is a real life situation, and not a fictional account of something that is the creation of someone's imagination.
 
Have you seen TV show Jericho... if not. Rent and watch full 1st season and 2nd season. Then you will want AK-47 in your home after viewing the show.

Again its hypothetical idea of how to defend ourselves. I would hate to have a pistol up against AK-47. My chances of surrival will be slim if I have no skills of using the pistol.

I wish we could develop more independent home, not fully rely on electric grid or anything. Each home should be independent supporting itself. Full solar panel, wind mills, and water mills to produce energy to support our place on our own. That freedom I would love to have with my own home.

and sometimes that's why I like the concept of Conscription - the same way that Roman Empire did
 
Maybe, but if you've been through Andrew (Cat 5 hurricane that tore apart the area south of Miami), looting, food shortages, loss of power and a huge mess...you'll want to have protection just in case.

I can't imagine what happened in LA after Katrina and right now in Galveston after Ike but if the criminal elements are there, then you want to protect yourself.

Even the National Guard had a bad apple or two commiting crimes in Miami after Hurricane Andrew!!!!

Agreed. But this is a real life situation, and not a fictional account of something that is the creation of someone's imagination.

there you go - the mini-version of Jericho. when shit happens - you lost all kinds of infrastructure - water, phone, electricity, etc. The first few days or a week are critical. Like IslandBreeze said - there are looting... riot.... possibly rapes.... you gotta defend yourself and be self-reliant until National Guards come. Now that we're having more and more large-scale disaster like Katrina, Ike, etc.... that means the frequency has gone up. I can imagine in the future - our national guards will be overwhelmed and stretched thin if the natural disaster occurs at multiple states at same time.

You're on your own. hundred of thousand people if not millions are equipped to handle only just up to 3 days. 1 week? you're going to have some trouble - some looting... rioting... More than 1 week? It's anarchy. People will kill others just to live. They need food and water. 2 weeks? may god helps you.

I don't remember where... but I recall reading the material about the duration of loss of infrastructure. I'll have to find it. It's very fascinating. There were studies being done to analyze the preparation of average Americans in the time of disaster. 3 days of interrupted infrastructure will throw America into chaos - groceries and gas will be all gone. It shows how sensitive our situation is. we are far from being prepared for worst case scenario. 3 days is how long America can last without infrastructure.
 
New Yorkers' Disaster Preparedness Falls Short, Study Finds

May 22, 2006 - By ANTHONY RAMIREZ

New York City has been a target of terrorists, a victim of blackouts and prey to hurricanes and other natural calamities. But a new study to be released tomorrow concludes that while about two-thirds of New Yorkers say they are prepared for disaster, few actually are.

About half of New Yorkers could not feed or shelter themselves for three days if the water and electricity suddenly failed, researchers said, and they have not stored the recommended daily gallon of water for each person in the household.

Of those who said they were prepared, many (43 percent) had not packed food that does not spoil or put away spare cash (41 percent). About 30 percent did not have battery-powered radios, according to the study, which was conducted by the New York chapter of the Red Cross and the Center for Catastrophe Preparedness & Response at New York University.

Manhattan is the least prepared borough, researchers found, with 58 percent of respondents lacking a rudimentary emergency supply kit. In Queens, the most prepared borough, 40 percent lacked a kit.

Dr. Irwin Redlener, the director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University, said Hurricane Katrina last year and the Sept. 11 attacks were "not wake-up calls, but more like snooze alarms, where we get aroused briefly and then drift back to sleep."

As evidence that preparation saves lives, Dr. Redlener cited one of the worst earthquakes ever recorded, in the industrial city of Tangshan, China, in 1976. Half a million people may have died there — the toll was never clear — but Dr. Redlener said that in the nearby Quinglong District, where officials had an extensive program to prepare for an earthquake, only one person died — of a heart attack.

While disaster experts recommend having an evacuation plan that includes at least two places for scattered family members to gather, only about 13 percent in the survey reported having made such arrangements. Since cellphones might not work and communication could be disrupted, a friend or relative who lives out of state should also have information on the plan.

More than half of the survey's respondents (53 percent) said that if they had to flee New York after a disaster, they would drive or take taxis. The report noted, however, that streets would likely be choked with traffic. Fifteen percent said they would ignore any orders to evacuate.

Timothy Raducha-Grace, associate director of the Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response, said in an interview, "If we had asked more follow-up questions on how people practice their evacuation plans, then those low percentages would probably fall even further."

In the study, 1,000 adults were interviewed by telephone between Feb. 28 and March 15. The study has a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

Safety experts advise people to have supplies to sustain a household for three days. Besides water, canned food, cash and a battery-powered radio, a kit should contain a flashlight, a whistle, iodine tablets for disinfecting water, a cellphone, extra phone batteries and personal items like prescription drugs.

When residents are advised to evacuate, they will also need what officials call a "go bag." That should contain copies of important documents in a waterproof container; credit and A.T.M. cards and cash; first-aid kits; rain gear, blankets and shoes; and, above all, written information on two places to gather in case the family is scattered.

Wendy Rose, a spokeswoman for the Institute for Business & Home Safety, an insurance-industry group in Tampa, Fla., said it was also important for people to consider that seemingly harmless objects like a neighbor's lawn furniture could smash into their homes during a hurricane or that wind-driven rain could wreak havoc if it entered a home through broken windows.

"Until you live it, you don't think of all the ways you'll be affected by a disaster," Ms. Rose said. "I've heard many stories about people who had all their food in their little hurricane kit but no can opener."
 
CCPR and PERI Study Finds Many U.S. Government, Business, and Nonprofit Organizations Ill-Prepared for Crisis

CCPR and PERI Study Finds Many U.S. Government, Business, and Nonprofit Organizations Ill-Prepared for Crisis

Report Proposes New Approaches to Improve Crises Readiness

Representative Peter King (R-NY), Ranking Member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, calls for Continued Progress in the Nation’s Preparedness Efforts

New York University’s (NYU) Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response (CCPR) and The Public Entity Risk Institute (PERI), a nonprofit research institute focused on risk management training and education, have completed a study on the level of crisis readiness among government, business, and nonprofit organizations across the United States. The findings reveal a large number of organizations lack effective preparedness programs to respond to and recover from a crisis despite estimates that crises to come may be more frequent and complex.

In the report, Predicting Organizational Crisis Readiness: Perspectives and Practices toward a Pathway to Preparedness, author Paul C. Light, the Paulette Goddard Professor for Public Service at NYU’s Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service and the principal investigator of The Project on Organizational and Community Preparedness at CCPR, points to a broadly held belief that there is direct relationship between population and hazards such that as population increases, the number of hazards proportionately increases.

“Consequently,” writes Dr. Light, “the crises ahead are increasing both in complexity and frequency; yet, levels of crises readiness among organizations remains low and poorly understood.”

In the report, Dr. Light, author of a new book on government reform titled, A Government Ill Executed (Harvard University Press) examines characteristics that better position organizations and government to recover after a crisis, identifying those that serve as significant predictors of crisis readiness. He also presents recommendations for enhancing organizational preparedness. The report includes the results of a survey of opinion leaders from government, for-profit, and non-profit sectors comparing crisis characteristics of organizations.

Among the key recommendations are:
• Priorities: Crisis readiness should be given the same organizational priority as other mission-centered activities, such as fund-raising and sales, marketing, branding, and measurement.
• Budgeting: Crisis readiness should be given an identifiable line in the organizational budget and it should not be subsumed in another budget.
• Accountability: Crisis readiness should be given clear grants of authority from the leadership and board.
• Stafford Act Reform: Raise the limits of support, and decease the barriers for application, for small businesses in the aftermath of a disaster.
• Regulation: Set voluntary standards for crisis readiness through statues and award programs.

“I commend NYU and Dr. Paul Light for recognizing the need to research ways to improve our nation’s disaster preparedness and crisis recovery abilities,” said Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Ranking Member of the House Committee on Homeland Security. “This report demonstrates that disaster preparedness is not just a role for the federal government. This is an area in which the private and public sectors must become more engaged, so that we can work together to be as resilient as possible to any kind of catastrophe.”

John R. Harrald, Ph.D. of the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University recognized the important contribution of Dr. Light’s work to the discourse on homeland security and disaster preparedness. “The report makes the conceptual and empirical case for preparedness. It draws on what we know about crisis management, high reliability and high performance organizations, and organizational resilience to distill the key characteristics of readiness. Unfortunately, in spite of the evidence strategically linking preparedness with high performance their empirical studies demonstrate that organizations still far fall short and are not ready for the crises they may face.”

Brad Penuel, CCPR’s director echoed Dr. Harold’s sentiments emphasizing the importance of academic research. “The problems facing the public and private sectors to respond to and prepare for disasters are complex and constantly evolving. To find solutions to these important problems and ensure the effects of disasters are mitigated for in the most effective manners, the public and private sectors must continue to partner with academia to understand the best ways to create a prepared society. Professor Light’s work and its support from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Prudential, Morgan Stanley, and PERI exemplify this type of collaboration.”

Gerald Hoetmer, executive director of PERI, reflected on the report in the context of America’s ongoing struggles with disaster preparedness and response. “The Katrina disaster and dysfunctional response highlighted deficiencies in crisis readiness at all levels. This report not only demonstrates the pervasiveness of the problem but provides crucial information to help organizations to improve their crisis readiness.”

Predicting Organizational Crisis Readiness: Perspectives and Practices toward a Pathway to Preparedness is available for download at no charge at The Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response at New York University and from the Resource Library on the PERI Website at Risk Institute. In addition to PERI and CCPR, the report was supported by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Morgan Stanley, and the Prudential Corporation.

About the Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response. New York University’s Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response (CCPR) was founded in 2002 as a university-wide, cross-disciplinary center to improve preparedness and response capabilities to catastrophic events. More information on the CCPR can be found at The Center for Catastrophe Preparedness and Response at New York University.

About the Public Entity Risk Institute. The Public Entity Risk Institute (PERI) is a nonprofit research institute that develops risk management education and training resources for local governments, school districts, small businesses, nonprofits and others. PERI’s Website serves as a clearinghouse and library with information on a wide range of topics including disaster preparedness, response, and recovery; public health and safety; land use and planning; environmental liability; risk financing and insurance; technology risks; and workers’ compensation. PERI also operates a national performance measurement and benchmarking database known as the PERI Data Exchange, which allows local governments to compare liability and workers’ compensation data with their peers and identify strategies to reduce losses and control costs. To learn more about publications and services available from PERI, go to Risk Institute.
 
Flynn: U.S. not prepared for the next 'big one'

Editor's note: Stephen Flynn is the author of "The Edge of Disaster: Rebuilding a Resilient Nation." A retired U.S. Coast Guard officer, Flynn is a homeland security expert and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Americans have failed to learn the most important lesson of 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina: We need to make building resiliency from within our borders as urgent a priority as confronting dangers from without.

There would have been thousands of more victims in New York on September 11 if the city had not made significant new investments in emergency management and if the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owned the World Trade Center, had not conducted regular fire drills, improved the emergency lighting and applied photoluminescent markings on stair treads and handrails in the stairwells of the twin towers. It was New York's investment in resiliency after the 1993 World Trade Center truck bombing that made that tragic day in 2001 far less tragic.

Today, New Orleans would have long ago recovered from Hurricane Katrina had the city's flood control system not been so badly neglected. But throughout the 1990s, the funds that might have been used to repair and strengthen the levees and flood walls were routinely bled off for other projects. In 2004, when the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers asked for $22.5 million to make emergency repairs to the storm protection system in New Orleans, the White House cut that figure to $3.9 million. It was New Orleans' lack of resiliency in the face of a foreseeable natural disaster that produced a catastrophe that has practically destroyed a great American city.

Building resiliency requires three things. First, we must anticipate likely man-made or natural disasters. Second, we must be willing to take prudent actions in advance of these disasters that lower our exposure to their potentially catastrophic consequences. Third, we must be able to mobilize a speedy response and recovery after disasters occur.

An estimated 90 percent of Americans now live along the coast, near flood zones and earthquake fault lines, or in other locations that are at a high or moderate risk of being hit by a major natural disaster. But since 9/11, we have been acting as though the only serious threat we face is terrorism and that the only way to manage that threat is by military efforts abroad. When an aggressive offense against terrorists is our only defense, homeland security and planning for natural disasters end up as lesser priorities.

This is insane. Sure we should be confronting our enemies when we have the intelligence to tell us where they are and what they are up to. But our intelligence apparatus is badly broken and the terrorist threat is a rapidly mutating. We need only look to the 2004 train bombings in Madrid, Spain, and the 2005 attack on the London subways to remind us that the al Qaeda threat is not confined to the Middle East and that all acts of terror cannot be prevented.

More importantly, Americans are far more likely to be caught in the cross hairs of a major natural disaster such as an earthquake, flood, forest fire or a hurricane than an attack by terrorists.

No act of modern warfare, with the possible exception of a nuclear exchange between major world powers, has the potential to threaten as many lives and cause as much disruption to the global economy as the H5N1 avian influenza would if it makes the evolutionary leap that allows it to spread among humans as quickly and as lethally as it has among birds. Of the just over 100 documented human infections between 1997 and 2005, the mortality rate was 54 percent. With a flu outbreak leading to a projected 80 million illnesses in the United States, millions of Americans would be in need of hospital care, but our entire national inventory of staffed hospital beds is just 970,000.

Acts of terror and disasters cannot always be prevented, but they do not have to be catastrophic. The key is being willing to invest in things that are not particularly sexy, such as public health, emergency planning and community preparedness.

It requires that we repair frail levees, pipelines, dams and the electrical grid. And we also need to learn from disasters and near misses. Californians adopted a new construction code after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. New Yorkers took evacuating skyscrapers seriously after the World Trade Center was attacked in 1993. Adequately preparing for foreseeable events is the only way for the United States to step back from the edge of disaster.
 
there you go - the mini-version of Jericho. when shit happens - you lost all kinds of infrastructure - water, phone, electricity, etc. The first few days or a week are critical. Like IslandBreeze said - there are looting... riot.... possibly rapes.... you gotta defend yourself and be self-reliant until National Guards come. Now that we're having more and more large-scale disaster like Katrina, Ike, etc.... that means the frequency has gone up. I can imagine in the future - our national guards will be overwhelmed and stretched thin if the natural disaster occurs at multiple states at same time.

You're on your own. hundred of thousand people if not millions are equipped to handle only just up to 3 days. 1 week? you're going to have some trouble - some looting... rioting... More than 1 week? It's anarchy. People will kill others just to live. They need food and water. 2 weeks? may god helps you.

I don't remember where... but I recall reading the material about the duration of loss of infrastructure. I'll have to find it. It's very fascinating. There were studies being done to analyze the preparation of average Americans in the time of disaster. 3 days of interrupted infrastructure will throw America into chaos - groceries and gas will be all gone. It shows how sensitive our situation is. we are far from being prepared for worst case scenario. 3 days is how long America can last without infrastructure.

Still not wise to make decisions regarding preparedness on a fantasy.
 
Still not wise to make decisions regarding preparedness on a fantasy.

but it is not fantasy. I'm not talking about some nuclear attacks or anything like that. I'm not asking you to get AK-47 and build concrete bunker. nothing like that at all. but I'm just making you all aware that it's not what it seems. Do not count on government for help. It could take days before the help will come for you and things can get messy at evacuation/refugee camp - violence, looting, etc. I've already shown you bunch of studies, concerns, and recommendations by experts. You all have seen what happened in news. One just need to BETTER-prepare oneself for next time as current preparedness level is far insufficient for today's situation.

for the past 10 years, USA had just faced with a handful unthinkable disasters that nobody thought it'd ever happen - WTC (9/11), Pentagon(9/11), New Orleans (Katrina), Houston (Ike), etc. One can assume that it is possible our infrastructure will be disabled for a while due to unforeseeable event. Based on the studies done, with our current situation... we can last only for 3 days when the hell froze over.
 
but it is not fantasy. I'm not talking about some nuclear attacks or anything like that. I'm not asking you to get AK-47 and build concrete bunker. nothing like that at all. but I'm just making you all aware that it's not what it seems. Do not count on government for help. It could take days before the help will come for you and things can get messy at evacuation/refugee camp - violence, looting, etc. I've already shown you bunch of studies, concerns, and recommendations by experts. You all have seen what happened in news. One just need to BETTER-prepare oneself for next time as current preparedness level is far insufficient for today's situation.

for the past 10 years, USA had just faced with a handful unthinkable disasters that nobody thought it'd ever happen - WTC (9/11), Pentagon(9/11), New Orleans (Katrina), Houston (Ike), etc. One can assume that it is possible our infrastructure will be disabled for a while due to unforeseeable event. Based on the studies done, with our current situation... we can last only for 3 days when the hell froze over.

I was talking about the program "Jericho". It is a fantasy, as it is the creation of someone's imagination.

BTW, we're way off topic here.
 
Pretty much, every time a law is passed is further erosion of our freedom.
 
Pretty much, every time a law is passed is further erosion of our freedom.

Yeah, so unfortunately! It sucks.

Just think what it's like in next 15 years... quite hard for us to forecast that. Only we probably can say less and less freedom. :roll: lol
 
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