What causes AIDS and its outbreak?

[Liebling:-)))]

It's long to write everything what the magazine says but I make a short example what I read about a lady's story in FRAU VON HEUTE magazine.

A lady (34) who was infected AID by her first love when she was 19 years old. Her first love got AID through blood transfusions and keep it secret from her.
She take care of her healthy postively. She went to doctor for blood test every 3 months and she living on medication. Her first love died at 4 years ago.
She look something to positive her life to get it out of her mind. Her dream wish to set up cafe business.
She met other bloke and fall in love at 3 years ago and told him that she's HIV positive. He kiss her and told her that he want to keep her. They live together since last September. They are happily to paint the rooms into apricot, yellow and red. They wish a baby. The doctor said that they can produce a healthy baby. Those new make her happier.
Her story make me weepy..... She's very brave to positive her incurable illness. I can't image what I do when I were in her shoes. I admire her for that because she wont' let anyone feel sorry for her.

 

[Liza]

That's really nice Liebling!
My heart goes out to AIDS victims, no matter how it happened.

Very interesting, Mag. I'm not sure what you really mean, though. Maybe we're talking about different things... It was probably better (more safer) back then.. but it's still a necessity today to be careful in my opinion, if you're gonna hit bars and screw anyone that walks without knowing their health status.

We'll always have theories until otherwise.

There is another theory on AIDS' origins.... like Liebling mentioned earlier about the monkeys in Africa.

Because of this, they may have been carrying the virus long before it became known to humans. The natives often sell the monkeys and sometimes eat their flesh. It is very probable that bites and scratches from the monkeys started the infection in man. As the natives were forced from their independent tribes into the cities, the monkeys migrated with them, eating from garbage heaps and infecting other men by biting and scratching when they tried to chase them away.

According to this link for the quote above, (http://www.innerbody.com/text/aids03.html) it claims it is a scientific fact that AIDS originally came from Africa (native to some central nations of Africa). This theory explains how natives ate monkey meat, and that the monkeys probably already had AIDS dormant in their DNA a while before AIDS reared its ugly head in the modern world.

So where did HIV come from? Did HIV come from an SIV?

It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV). Certain simian immunodeficiency viruses bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV.

For example, HIV-2 corresponds to a simian immunodeficiency virus found in the sooty mangabey monkey (SIVsm), sometimes known as the green monkey, which is indigenous to western Africa.

The more virulent strain of HIV, namely HIV-1, was until very recently more difficult to place. Until 1999 the closest counterpart that had been identified was the simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus that was known to infect chimpanzees (SIVcpz), but this virus had significant differences between it and HIV

Source: http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Some other rather controversial theories have contended that HIV was transferred iatrogenically i.e. via medical experiments. One particularly well publicised theory is that polio vaccines played a role in the transfer.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Other theories put forward about the origin of HIV include a number of conspiracy theories. Some people have suggested that HIV was manufactured by the CIA whilst others believe that HIV was genetically engineered.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

There are some more dissections on how AIDS suddenly spread at this particular time, too. International travel, blood transfusions, and drug use are suggested reasons.

This might be an interesting read on AIDS origins... it's a book you can order or check out at the local library if they have it.
http://www.booksbytesandbeyond.com/proddir/products552/0823923657.html

Want me to go on?

 

[Vance]

Liebling)), very nice posts and informations! Thanks for translating

Very interesting, Mag. I'm not sure what you really mean, though. Maybe we're talking about different things... It was probably better (more safer) back then.. but it's still a necessity today to be careful in my opinion, if you're gonna hit bars and screw anyone that walks without knowing their health status.

I can understand from where you stand on, I am not saying that people can sex with anyone, anytime and anywhere without condoms or with reckless behaviors (as you said, hit bars and screw anyone that walk into). Common sense is the key in this situation and I agree with you. I was trying to say that I don't think sex is the fault and I even don't think homosexuality is the fault either. Your facts does sound interesting, I am not going to go far with these conspiracy theroies, never did. As doctor-student, I across many articles that made me wonder... what causes AIDS and its outbreak. Since in old civilization, they are encouraging promiscuous and homosexuality behaviors, AIDS is unknown in these eras so it is easily dismissed by the evidences. I wonder what next?

I never even consider about these theories like CIA or sex with monkey or eat the monkey meat? I found it very unlikely... Eating monkey is the old tradition for African tribes and it does not cause any outbreak problem (their bones would show its effect if found but archaeology/bone experts couldn't find any). I got the feeling that it may be related to vaccinations based on evidences I found but of course corporations or government refuse to investigate into vaccination cases due to its money-making. Vaccinations carried many poisonous substances such as mercury and other things. Drugs, needles, blood transfusions or contaminated? That is several of many possibilities. Anyway thanks for posting these facts & links, I definitely am going to read whole of these to give me something to think about.

 

[Liza]

Mag, I dont think what I posted was facts... just theories to think about. I don't know too much about the monkey thing to expand on it, I must confess. It just sounds gross. Hehe.. I wanted to see what theories there were about the origins of AIDS circulating on the net right now. :Oops: I'll look around some more so we can have more of a well rounded discussion. I think it's a good topic to talk about.

Vaccinations? Hmmm.... might be possible. *sigh* You know what I want? For the truth to come out.... anything... as long as we know it's not bs. Whatever the truth is, we would be able to deal with it... right?

 

[Vance]

Yes, my apologizes, it is not facts. At that moment, I was lazy with vocabulary and grammar. I completed the 18-page project last night, I stayed up to 2 am and I am pretty worn out. Glad that my boss gave me one week off (this week) because of my sick days. They have a weird policy, if anyone save any more sick days than limited numbers of sick days, they will give anyone a week off.

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Vaccinations? Hmmm.... might be possible. *sigh* You know what I want? For the truth to come out.... anything... as long as we know it's not bs. Whatever the truth is, we would be able to deal with it... right?

I agree with you but some people think otherwise. Like what Jack Nicholson said in 'A Few Good Men' movie, "you cannot handle the truth." That's what they assume that we couldn't.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I have heard that before many, many times about people saying, the only way to prevent infection by the virus is to avoid behaviors that place a person at risk for infection, such as sharing needles and having unprotected sex. Remember that story about a young girl who never had sex or shared a needle or did drugs she was infected with HIV, But. She got it from her dentist who was not wearing gloves. She didn't know he was infected with AIDS, And she had to pay a big price that is her life. I mean nobody is safe from getting AIDS no matter what they say.

Well, Cheri. I disagree with your statment that NOBODY is safe. The truth is if people stop and thought about what they are did, there might not be so many infected people out there. A person MUST take responsibilty for what he or she does! Malfoyish said it best somewhere else in this thread. A person would have to be pretty stupid to become infected. I have to agree with what she said.

I know things happen from time to time, and there are innocent kids who got infected through no fault of their own, but on the whole, if people would just take the time to use the knowledge that they have, then perhaps, there wouldn't be so many people infected.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Well a penis is not for sticking it in a mans asshole. A penis is for taking a piss and inserting it in a womans vagina. My preist made this comment in his sermon. Homosexualty is a terrable disease. But Aids is gods punishment for this immorial sin. The wages of sin is death. In this case homosexualty is a wager too much. And he`s right.

Well, Steve. I'm gonna tell you. This is strictly your opinion, and not everyone agrees with you.

 

[Cheri]

Well, Cheri. I disagree with your statment that NOBODY is safe. The truth is if people stop and thought about what they are did, there might not be so many infected people out there. A person MUST take responsibilty for what he or she does! Malfoyish said it best somewhere else in this thread. A person would have to be pretty stupid to become infected. I have to agree with what she said.

I know things happen from time to time, and there are innocent kids who got infected through no fault of their own, but on the whole, if people would just take the time to use the knowledge that they have, then perhaps, there wouldn't be so many people infected.

Natural membrane (lambskin) condoms are used to prevent pregnancy, but they are not effective protection against HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases.

Link:http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/infc/aids/aidsprev.jsp

What if the condom ripped? You think we are stupid because we allow that to happen?

A person would have to be pretty stupid to become infected.

So, a young female who was infected from getting AIDS from her dentist was stupid?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Natural membrane (lambskin) condoms are used to prevent pregnancy, but they are not effective protection against HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases.

Link:http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/infc/aids/aidsprev.jsp

What if the condom ripped? You think we are stupid because we allow that to happen?

Basically, yes. It's widely known that only latex condoms HELP to protect against the spread of the virus. And, the average person probably knows this, Cheri.

So, a young female who was infected from getting AIDS from her dentist was stupid?

Well, you are referring to Kimberly Bergalis.The girl who unknowingly contracted AIDS from her dentist.The thing about this, Cheri, is this... She was infected with the virus back in 1991 when there still wasn't that much known about how the virus is transmitted. We are now about to close out the year 2004. There are now UNIVERSAL guidelines that have been issued that health professionals MUST adhere to. And, the average person knows this! So, if they allow themselves to be treated by someone who isn't adhering to those guidelines and they become infected, then yes, they are stupid.

 

[Cheri]

I think the word "stupid" is uncall for. I am sure a lot of AIDS Victims out there would felt insulted.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I think the word "stupid" is uncall for. I am sure a lot of AIDS Victims out there would felt insulted.

Cheri,

Let me say this, OK? I am a compassionate person, and I am in no way saying that anyone deserves to be sick or infected with HIV. HOWEVER, I do believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and that is the point I am trying to make here. People must take responsiblity for the decisions that they make and the things that they do!

 

[Vance]

Well, you are referring to Kimberly Bergalis.The girl who unknowingly contracted AIDS from her dentist.The thing about this, Cheri, is this... She was infected with the virus back in 1991 when there still wasn't that much known about how the virus is transmitted. We are now about to close out the year 2004. There are now UNIVERSAL guidelines that have been issued that health professionals MUST adhere to. And, the average person knows this! So, if they allow themselves to be treated by someone who isn't adhering to those guidelines and they become infected, then yes, they are stupid.

But the problem is that most of them did follow the guideline and yet they infected with AIDS by somehow. Does it mean that it is their fault? AIDS is offically out of control. No one know how and what causes AIDS and its outbreak. Just a thought.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

But the problem is that most of them did follow the guideline and yet they infected with AIDS by somehow. Does it mean that it is their fault? AIDS is offically out of control. No one know how and what causes AIDS and its outbreak. Just a thought.

They followed what they knew AT THE TIME. Things are different now. Now, there are hard and fast guidelines that health professionals must adhere to. Back then, there were none.

 

[Angel]

My mom used to call me ' stupid ' all the time, God I hate that word!

I admit some people are stupid when it comes to having sex too quickly and not knowing the person well enough that can give you AIDS...but don't apply it to all of the people who has aids and wasn't the one at FAULT, like if you get into a serious car accident and sudden you need blood transfer without known there is aids in whatever blood they put in you...also, you can get aids when you go to the hospital and see a doctor who was wearing no gloves, and suddenly cut himself while he was drawing blood from your viens....so, like I said, not everyone is stupid when they haven't done anything stupid to get aids in the first place....

 

[Cheri]

Cheri,

Let me say this, OK? I am a compassionate person, and I am in no way saying that anyone deserves to be sick or infected with HIV. HOWEVER, I do believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and that is the point I am trying to make here. People must take responsiblity for the decisions that they make and the things that they do!

I understand but everyone makes mistake in their life might not be a best decision they make but they learn from it. Just like those people who are now suffering with AIDS They have to live with that disease for the rest of their life. Calling them stupid is not going to make it better it going to make it worst. They know what they did wrong and they are living with the pain right now.

 

[Vance]

They followed what they knew AT THE TIME. Things are different now. Now, there are hard and fast guidelines that health professionals must adhere to. Back then, there were none.

I wonder if they really do. I could bring up few points but these will be offtopic so I couldn't. Maybe I can create a new topic for these points..

 

[Angel]

NOW that everyone knows the risk of getting AIDS or HIV but why feel sorry for some people who just knew the risk and ignore it?...And another thing to look at is when a person knew that he/she has aids, that person goes out and still have unprotective sex with someone else, and that someone else has Aids from that person, now who's stupid?..I think they both are, when they knew the risk in the beginning...

If you don't want AIDS or HIV, then be smart about it by protecting yourself!!!

 

[Oceanbreeze]

NOW that everyone knows the risk of getting AIDS or HIV but why feel sorry for some people who just knew the risk and ignore it?...And another thing to look at is when a person knew that he/she has aids, that person goes out and still have unprotective sex with someone else, and that someone else has Aids from that person, now who's stupid?..I think they both are, when they knew the risk in the beginning...

If you don't want AIDS or HIV, then be smart about it by protecting yourself!!!

Angel! I agree with you! I would like to also add that each person has the option of exercising good judgment and NOT sleeping with the infected person IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

[Malfoyish]

Precisely the point I was trying to make.

^Angel^, I would like to apologize for my word usage. It seems that it has been taken the wrong way. I was in no way calling anyone stupid, just indicating that the actions taken by some are not well thought out. Okay? I realize that you have an issue with the word, and I will try not to use it again.

Look - accidents happen. In the past, we didn't know too much about AIDS and didn't have the knowledge we do now. Therefore, it is less likely we will act recklessly when it comes to medical errors or blood transfusions. Blood is tested several times before it is given to someone, AND there are new laws and rules and guidelines that doctors and any other medical professionals must adhere to.

However, WE have control over what we choose to do with our free time. We can go bowling or to a movie just as easily as we can choose to have sex with someone we pick up at a sports bar. Not just any sex, either - unprotected sex, which of course, offers plenty of risks.

Today, we are more likely to contract AIDS through sex than we are through a blood transfusion or by medical error. Drugs too, of course, or sharing needles, rather. So, if you're going to share a needle with someone you know is hooked on drugs and not phonics, then yes, you're (I don't want to say "stupid," so I'll use a different term...) lame. If you're going to have unprotected sex with someone whose history you don't know very well, then you're not making a wise move here, either.

Blood transfusions are something most of us are probably not going to need in our lifetimes. I'm not saying we never will - am only saying that MOST of us will probably never be in need of some (infected) blood - so when we take that out of the mix, what are we left with? Medical error, which can be avoided if the doctors sterilize themselves and their equipment properly, which they do by decree of law - or lack of common sense???

That's it...I'm finished on this.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Precisely the point I was trying to make.

^Angel^, I would like to apologize for my word usage. It seems that it has been taken the wrong way. I was in no way calling anyone stupid, just indicating that the actions taken by some are not well thought out. Okay? I realize that you have an issue with the word, and I will try not to use it again.

Angel,

I too want to extend my apologies for MY use of the same word. I missed your response earlier where you objected to it's use, but I do want to apologize. I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable, and I won't use the word again.