We need the Draft reinstated!

Buckdodgers said:
Say what you want,,But if your under 16 now start worring.
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FYI, I'm 18 years old.
 
Reba said:
Here's the problem. There is no such thing as just "support roles" in the military. Potentially, every member of the military must be ready to serve at, or close to, the front lines.
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Thank you for dousing cold water on such aspirations of military service for disabled individuals! Granted, what I know about military service, comes from various portrayals in mainstream media, which isn't even remotely accurate to say the least. Regardless, military people demand my respect, and I will be extremely reluctant to second-guess them and their military judgment.

That all said, I do know of one Deaf ASL'er guy who actually has undergone military service through a compulsory draft. He wound up as a cook/meal server and worked a mess hall. At first, his military experience seemed to be 'pleasant' and remarkably free of violence, and he 'settled' into a relatively stress-free military routine, or so he thought. This 'lull' probably lasted a week or so, I suspect!

Well the peace was shattered when a couple of mortars landed around his mess hall! Pandomenium ensued and he remarked that he was scared for his life. Care to guess which country he hailed from? The Republic of Iran, a country mired in war with the Iraqi's during the 1980's.
This is my "condensed" answer. :D
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Whew! :lol: Thank you for taking the time in giving me an all too brief glimpse into the workings of the U.S. military and military life. It truly points out that I know so little and certainly am appreciative of people who serve our country in our armed forces.
 
drafting is bad idea, but its been coming around for quite along time now, its not gonna be about religions or middle east instability or anything else the 'media' led us to believe, it will actually be about fighting for the oil

http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html

drafting doesnt look like suicide only becuase you THINK your own side will win
 
I want this to be my job
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starrygaze said:
Congress should pay technologies to build robot planes and anothers without people to fight. Maybe they need people to remote to avoid the loss of people.
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They already have those.
 
Y said:
what about these people with CI ?
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Good question.

I really don't know the answer, so I emailed the question to an Army recruiter. I'll let you know when I get the answer.

I suspect the answer is no. Even with a CI that works "perfectly", there are still some potential problems.

A CI can't be worn under all physical conditions, correct? That is, its not supposed to get wet.

The military has some weird requirements and restrictions, so you never know. For example, when I first enlisted in the Navy, I was still wearing a removable orthodontic retainer after my braces were taken off. The recruiter told me that I had to delay my induction until my time wearing the retainer was over. (That rule is probably gone now.)
 
People with CI are not allowed to serve in military. Basically, a person who has a CI is deaf. The CI doesn't replicate normal hearing (even if you have two of them) either. War is a messy business and the last thing a grunt with a CI needs to deal with...oops the CI needs new batteries and they are in the middle of a major firefight. There are no timeouts in war. To fight in war, one needs good to great hearing more than they need perfect vision (as long as the vision is respectable my military standards aided or not). You be surprised how much hearing keeps one alive when it is the faintest sound from around the corner of the building. Not even a CI will pick that up! It isn't just the fact one registers a sound but figure out what kind of sound it is...

As Reba pointed out, also a CI can't function in a downpour, muddy conditions, when one is laying down in a puddle of water or if you jump into a body of water to save yourself. Too many things can go wrong in war and it is never civilized...
 
sr171soars said:
People with CI are not allowed to serve in military. Basically, a person who has a CI is deaf. The CI doesn't replicate normal hearing (even if you have two of them) either. War is a messy business and the last thing a grunt with a CI needs to deal with...oops the CI needs new batteries and they are in the middle of a major firefight. There are no timeouts in war. To fight in war, one needs good to great hearing more than they need perfect vision (as long as the vision is respectable my military standards aided or not). You be surprised how much hearing keeps one alive when it is the faintest sound from around the corner of the building. Not even a CI will pick that up! It isn't just the fact one registers a sound but figure out what kind of sound it is...

As Reba pointed out, also a CI can't function in a downpour, muddy conditions, when one is laying down in a puddle of water or if you jump into a body of water to save yourself. Too many things can go wrong in war and it is never civilized...
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Yea, sound environment is much loud in war that can drain CI betteries so faster.
 
I have heard few has CI and are still in military. why not google? "military cochlear implant" as keywords without quote of course...
 
sr171soars said:
War is a messy business and the last thing a grunt with a CI needs to deal with...oops the CI needs new batteries and they are in the middle of a major firefight. ...
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:rofl:

Plus you have to wait 1 minute to let the air circulate the batteries so that they activate. Changing CI batteries is one fiddly business. And what happens if your batteries accidently roll off your hand and on the floor of the tank? Can you imagine it?

Actually it would be a pretty good excuse in the middle of a gun fight to take a dive down below and pretend to be looking for your batteries but dodge the bullets in the process.
 
Anyway I remember reading back in the UK that a draft in the future would be very unlikely because these days they want professional soldiers. Being in the army, marines etc is now a skilled profession and they don't want joe bloes standing around not knowing what to do.

Plus with the technology of weoponry these days numbers is not so critical to the outcome of a war as it once was.
 
R2D2 said:
:rofl:

Plus you have to wait 1 minute to let the air circulate the batteries so that they activate. Changing CI batteries is one fiddly business. And what happens if your batteries accidently roll off your hand and on the floor of the tank? Can you imagine it?

Actually it would be a pretty good excuse in the middle of a gun fight to take a dive down below and pretend to be looking for your batteries but dodge the bullets in the process.
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:laugh2:

Yep! That is why I used that problem. Heck, I used to be able to easily change my HA battery while driving. Now, it is so problematical as I really either need to have my wife steer (shhhhh!), wait till a stop light comes up, pull over or get to one's destination. What a pain! Under normal conditions of life, it is not simple let alone when utter chaos reigns....
 
Boult said:
I have heard few has CI and are still in military. why not google? "military cochlear implant" as keywords without quote of course...
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I suppose that could be true for those not slated to be in combat and it would be just fine by me. :D More power to those who can serve that way but combat...I don't think so.

My problem is that I can't believe there is any way that any person with a CI is going to serve in combat...no way Jose. Hearing is far too critical when chaos is all around you. You really need to have hearing without worrying about the device itself under extreme conditions, battery changes at inopportune times, damage is always a real possibility, and on it goes. Even with two CIs, your hearing isn't quite what normal hearing is capable of and that my friend can be fatal.
 
The military person in this story was serving on active duty when he lost his hearing. He's near his retirement time.

I don't know if a person with a CI can join the military. It doesn't explain that in the story. :dunno:

"In December 2001, an active-duty master sergeant with sudden hearing loss was evaluated for a cochlear implant. Master Sgt. John T. Hawk received a cochlear implant and was able to return to his unit and continue performing his assigned duties.

'My new hearing is not perfect,' said Hawk, assigned to the Air National Guard Training and Education Center at McGhee Tyson ANG Base, Tenn. 'There are still challenges, but I have not completed my journey on the road to recovery yet. Every day I'm reminded of what I've lost because I wake up in a silent world. When I turn on my sound processor, I'm reminded of what I've gained.'

In the past when an active-duty airman was diagnosed with profound hearing loss, he or she would be medically retired. Hawk, who is a multimedia course developer and instructor, continues to perform his normal duties while he awaits the result of a medical evaluation board.

Based on his excellent performance with the cochlear implant and his ability to communicate, medical officials believe the program may have saved the Air Force one of its top assets -- an airman with more than 18 years of experience, training and expertise."

For the rest of the interesting story, go to http://www.cici.org/airforce.html
 
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