Wary observers say Obama's speech could be a new beginning

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Cheri said:
I'm sorry I don't even buy it not one bit. How can Bush not have known? I can't believe any elected government in this country was not informed on any future attacks on America. I truly believe that Bush ignored all the evidences that was gathered by the CIA.

He had the chance to prevent or to try to get Osama Bin Laden before 9/11, which he did not, He also had not try to get Osama Bin Laden after 9/11 either. What does that tell you?


That is because they chose not to act on the warnings that they had received for several years. Several years they knew and done nothing until the last warning was made July 2001, when Osama was about to launch a terrorist strike between July to Oct. of 2001 and that had been ignored also! So don't sit there and tell me Bush knew nothing.
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Reba said:
Not true.

He could have proudly defended America in his speech, told the Saudis to join the 21st century, and reiterated his support for Israel. But he didn't.

Obama can win if he starts doing the right things.
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He did defend America in his speech, he reiterated the Israeli and American alliance, and it is not for him to dictate culture to the Saudis.
 
Jiro said:
Point is - Bush did the best he can and Clinton did the best he can as well. and yes you're right about your last sentence. it's time to stay on the task here and stop blaming and apologizing about the past. Obama needs to move on and actually DO SOMETHING.

Obama - the campaign's over. You're the President of the United States now. Now start acting like one.
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How exactly would you define "acting like one?"
 
But wouldn't "Obama needs to start acting like a President." be pretty much the same thing as "Bush could have prevented 911"? Both assessments are coming from the comfort of an arm chair.:cool2:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
With all due respect, I as private person join AD Forum as membership.

It´s not first time that you and Jiro harassed me over my job. I am so tiring by you and Jiro´s harassment over my job since last year in several lock threads. Now again... I see a force to report on you and Jiro to mod. and Admin. for harassment if you both do that again to me.

Thank you.
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I'm sorry but the hypocrisy is just as bad as trolling and provoking. You have continued to troll and provoked us American people while you work for and get paid by American military. It's just as bad as the most outspoken PETA protester working for McDonald slaughterhouse.

Can you try very hard to understand our perspective from this side?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Like what I said before that Clinton DID advised Bush to focus on terrorism fighting soon after Bush won his 1st election. Bush choose to ignore it
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Right. ;) The differences between Bush and Clinton is that Clinton did tried to get Osama Bin Laden during the 1998 missile strike on terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, at least Clinton had tried but failed. I do give him credit for trying, on the other hand Bush had 8 months to try--- between the time he took office up to Sept. 11th. Sometimes you gonna wonder why didn't Bush take action? :hmm:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I stand what I said is correction.

Don´t you know that muslim people lives in Eypgt? Obama went there to convince Muslim people that America is no enemy to them because a lot of Muslim people from many Middle East countries never forget/forgive what and how Bush Admin. did to them. Bush Admin. negative Muslim world and use 9/11 to blame Muslim world. Why do Bush pick on Muslim/Arab for? That´s how Muslim people feel.
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so why not visit enemy Muslim country? Egypt is not an enemy of USA. Please show me the quote that Bush hates Muslim/Arab because you keep saying that he picked on them.

9/11 terrorists = Islamic Fundamentalists & Al Qaeda... not Arabs or Muslims. Read my lips - ISLAMIC. FUNDAMENTALISTS. AL. QAEDA. Get it right, Liebling

Liebling:-))) said:
I have read alot of Bush´s interviews, etc and his reputation, etc. I express my opinion after view about him is truth because it´s true.
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and that's your opinion. not a fact. if it's a truth - then why isn't Bush in jail?
 
Cheri said:
Right. ;) The differences between Bush and Clinton is that Clinton did tried to get Osama Bin Laden during the 1998 missile strike on terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, at least Clinton had tried but failed. I do give him credit for trying, on the other hand Bush had 8 months to try--- between the time he took office up to Sept. 11th. Sometimes you gonna wonder why didn't Bush take action? :hmm:
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there are over 10,000 (probably a lot more) threats against USA per year. The President of United States cannot dispatch every Jack Bauer, Rambo, Jason Bourne, or John McClane (Die Hard guy) to each threat. Think about it - who would ever thought it's doable for terrorists to hijack 4 jumbo commercial airliners and then fly them to WTC, Pentagon, and White House at same time????? It's so far-fetched that it was not treated as high priority. Shit happens but then again - let's see... no terrorists attack since 9/11 under Bush's watch while Clinton had a few.

Oklahoma Bombing happened under Clinton's watch. Atlantic Olympic Bombing happened under Clinton's watch. Should we blame him for not doing anything to prevent it? 1st WTC terrorist attack happened in the same year as Clinton. and what did Clinton do in response these terrorist attacks? NOTHING. Bush? a creation of Homeland Security, I.C.E., Gitmo Camp, and a complete, thorough billions-dollar revamp of American's anti-counterterrorism capability.

Boy.... do I feel so much safer than before!!! If you recall last year - I was a harsh critic on Bush's creation because I thought it was an incredible waste of taxpayer's money but..... I have seen the proof of it this year - no terrorist attacks since 9/11 under Bush Administration and an incredibly speedy response of rescue for United Airline crash on Hudson River. That changed my mind.
 
jillio said:
But wouldn't "Obama needs to start acting like a President." be pretty much the same thing as "Bush could have prevented 911"? Both assessments are coming from the comfort of an arm chair.:cool2:
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Very good point Jillio.
 
Jiro,

If the President can't dispatch every Tom, Dick and Harry, why do you expect so much from Obama?
 
jillio said:
But wouldn't "Obama needs to start acting like a President." be pretty much the same thing as "Bush could have prevented 911"? Both assessments are coming from the comfort of an arm chair.:cool2:
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nope not the same thing at all.

USA has always been a hot target for Islamic anti-American fanatics for many years. Bush responded to this cowardice attack with decisive strike and firm authority. Sure it pissed off a lot of people but so what? They've been pissed off at us for centuries anyway. So what? I don't give a shit until they attacked us on our American soil. 8 years has gone by and I still remember what WTC smells like. Ever smell what thousands of burning corpses is like?

Obama responded by visiting Egypt, bending over for them and apologized. I got irked when he bowed like a Korean to Saudi King. No American President has ever done that before..... not even Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan.
 
Hear Again said:
Take a look in the mirror Jiro given your comments regarding Obama. :cool2:
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such as? I've never said such thing. I've never said Obama shoulda, coulda, woulda.

You did.
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but the hypocrisy is just as bad as trolling and provoking. You have continued to troll and provoked us American people while you work for and get paid by American military. It's just as bad as the most outspoken PETA protester working for McDonald slaughterhouse.

Can you try very hard to understand our perspective from this side?
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Look at on your own post is a false statement. It´s offensive and insult of you to accuse me of something I didn´t. I´m glad that you post to show who really you are because ADers know my debate posts.

I feel that you owe me an apology.

I came to post what I know. If I don´t know that I don´t post.

I can see that you can´t handle the truth. The truth is hard sometimes but you has to face it.

I only say what I know because its about truth. I do not play hypocrisy and 2 face to defend any countries to deny anyone like you but say straight what I know. It´s bad that you can´t handle the truth.



 
Cheri said:
Right. ;) The differences between Bush and Clinton is that Clinton did tried to get Osama Bin Laden during the 1998 missile strike on terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, at least Clinton had tried but failed. I do give him credit for trying, on the other hand Bush had 8 months to try--- between the time he took office up to Sept. 11th. Sometimes you gonna wonder why didn't Bush take action? :hmm:
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Yeah, I know.
 
Hear Again said:
Jiro,

If the President can't dispatch every Tom, Dick and Harry, why do you expect so much from Obama?
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because if he's being busy being in campaign mode, then I'm afraid that he may pay less attention on the actual Presidential duty which is keeping our country safe. That should be his first priority. Mending peace with foreigners should treated as secondary priority.

Imagine what would happen if the terrorist attack occurs on this American soil again.
 
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