This will make you sad and mad!

This is a cut and dried case of animal torture, not hunting for food. People with such blatant disregard for living creatures disgust me.
 
Oh, I'm sure the temporary workers were planning to eat the goose, but that's not the salient points.

The reasons they should be fired and further prosecuted are . . .

1. As pointed out, they were paid by Charlton City parks to work, not hunt.

2. In every municiple park I know, "hunting, trapping, or taking of any game or non-game park animals is prohibited."

3. The exceptions to #2 are during seasons when young are able to survive on their own (the prime reason for fishing and hunting seasons) and only by legal residents with proper licences. Betcha a quarter, the goose gangsters were not the former and didn't have the latter.
 
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Reba said:
If you live in a big city, it's a lot easier to find a soup kitchen with prepared food then to walk to the park and search out an animal to kill, skin it, clean it, and cook it (if you have a house with a stove). Good grief! City parks aren't the wilderness.

Specifically about this story, you did note that the three guys were employed? They were park employees, not starving wanderers. They weren't crawling on their bellies hungry--they were riding in a golf cart! Give me a break. :roll:

Also, every one who hunts knows that you don't kill birds that are nesting. You do that and pretty soon there are no wild life next year.
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There are plenty of Canadian geese. In some places, they are considered a nuisance.

I think the city overreacted.
 
Byrdie714 said:
There are plenty of Canadian geese. In some places, they are considered a nuisance.
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IF they are plentiful, and IF it is hunting season, and IF that's a legal hunting area, and IF they either have a hunting license or they are on their own property, and IF the birds are in flight, then they can kill them. In the above story they met none of those conditions. They were being paid to work, not kill park animals.

I believe they are covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918.

I think the city overreacted.
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They broke the law, and they wantonly abused their work situation. Why shouldn't they be fired?
 
Are they on the Endangered Species List?

I don't think so.

As for the city firing them? They deserved to be fired but fined? That's going a little too far as it is known that they are from another country. Who's to say that it may be culturally acceptable in their country for them to be at work and if they see dinner sitting by?????

They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Are they on the Endangered Species List?

I don't think so.
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They don't need to be endangered to be protected. That's a separate classification. Also, hunting laws cover all species.


As for the city firing them? They deserved to be fired but fined? That's going a little too far as it is known that they are from another country. Who's to say that it may be culturally acceptable in their country for them to be at work and if they see dinner sitting by?????

They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.
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You should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
Reba said:
Again, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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An important point of law. If a lame, "Well, I didn't know" were accepted as an excuse, our legal system would break down even further.

Byrdie714 said:
They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.
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Long ago and far away, I wrote manuals for a livelihood. Still edit them. I'm kind of wondering what the subheading to that section of the required foreign worker's manual would look like.

Taking Unauthorized Breaks from Tasks to Capture and Kill Animals on City Park Grounds and Transporting Said Animal in City Vehicles:

no-no
aucun-aucun
ninguna-ningu'n
nein-nein
nyet-nyet
geen-nr
nah, don't even think it, mate
 
Chase said:
Oh, I'm sure the temporary workers were planning to eat the goose, but that's not the salient points.

The reasons they should be fired and further prosecuted are . . .

1. As pointed out, they were paid by Charlton City parks to work, not hunt.

2. In every municiple park I know, "hunting, trapping, or taking of any game or non-game park animals is prohibited."

3. The exceptions to #2 are during seasons when young are able to survive on their own (the prime reason for fishing and hunting seasons) and only by legal residents with proper licences. Betcha a quarter, the goose gangsters were not the former and didn't have the latter.
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And I'll match your quarter!
 
Chase said:
Long ago and far away, I wrote manuals for a livelihood. Still edit them. I'm kind of wondering what the subheading to that section of the required foreign worker's manual would look like.

Taking Unauthorized Breaks from Tasks to Capture and Kill Animals on City Park Grounds and Transporting Said Animal in City Vehicles:

no-no
aucun-aucun
ninguna-ningu'n
nein-nein
nyet-nyet
geen-nr
nah, don't even think it, mate
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:lol:
 
Byrdie714 said:
I do. But remember not everyone that comes to America knows all of its laws.
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Not everyone that is born and lives in the United States knows all the laws but they are not excused from them.

Americans who go to other countries can't use that excuse either.

So it stands--ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
Reba said:
Not everyone that is born and lives in the United States knows all the laws but they are not excused from them.

Americans who go to other countries can't use that excuse either.

So it stands--ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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I'll give you that. :)

But what is the difference with this story and sitting around the dining room table having turkey on Thanksgiving Day?

The goose gets its neck broken, de-feathered, guts cleaned out, and stuffed with stuffing for dinner.

Wait a minute....we do that for Thanksgiving too.

How do we know that the turkey we are eating wasn't 'frolicking in the park' as well? :)
 
Byrdie714 said:
...How do we know that the turkey we are eating wasn't 'frolicking in the park' as well? :)
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If you bought it fresh or frozen at the grocery store in a Butterball wrapper, or some other wrapper, it came from a poultry farm where it was raised specifically for human consumption.

Another legal option is raising your own turkey on a family farm for your own use.

Another legal option is to shoot a wild turkey, during the legal hunting season, in a legal hunting area, within the legal bag limit.

It is never legal to snatch a turkey from a park.
 
Reba said:
If you live in a big city, it's a lot easier to find a soup kitchen with prepared food then to walk to the park and search out an animal to kill, skin it, clean it, and cook it (if you have a house with a stove). Good grief! City parks aren't the wilderness.

Specifically about this story, you did note that the three guys were employed? They were park employees, not starving wanderers. They weren't crawling on their bellies hungry--they were riding in a golf cart! Give me a break. :roll:

Also, every one who hunts knows that you don't kill birds that are nesting. You do that and pretty soon there are no wild life next year.
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You are so right Rheba, they were employed. I think they were just showing off for each other. It takes a big man to torture and kill something defenseless for pure excitement. A true hunter will harvest game for his family, and he is always respectful of the animals and their environmnet. True hunters usually feel rather bad about having to kill for food. Many Native Americans believed that if you killed an animal for food, you must then cut out its heart to release its spirit, and you should thank it for its sacrifice. Even in the Bible, Adam was suppose to be a steward over the animals and he named them. They were not put here for someone's sick idea of entertainment.
 
Reba said:
If you bought it fresh or frozen at the grocery store in a Butterball wrapper, or some other wrapper, it came from a poultry farm where it was raised specifically for human consumption.

Another legal option is raising your own turkey on a family farm for your own use.

Another legal option is to shoot a wild turkey, during the legal hunting season, in a legal hunting area, within the legal bag limit.

It is never legal to snatch a turkey from a park.
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So, lets say the turkey was froliking in the park, and the guys needed food???? Sounds pretty serious. Why did they drive off laughing and I presume bragging?
 
dreamchaser said:
So, lets say the turkey was froliking in the park, and the guys needed food???? Sounds pretty serious. Why did they drive off laughing and I presume bragging?
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This shows that they knew that killing the goose was wrong:

"Soon parks officials and police arrived. One of the three workers ran into the woods and couldn't be located."

He knew he was guilty.
 
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