Terri Schiavo's former husband Michael married again

[Cheri]

Thank-you!!, Thank-you!! *bowing*

 

[Autumn Tree]

Amen! Autumn Tree and Butterflygirl


What some people don't understand that Terri’s life does not belong to the U.S. Congress, President Bush, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the Florida court, Michael or Terri’s parents, Her life belongs to God and only God makes the final decision. Just like we cannot commit suicide, We cannot take someone's life and committed murder. Each of us would die somedays and only on God's terms.


Just my two cents.

Amen to that!!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I don't think the parents wanted the money for themselves...their wish was to use money to continue medicial therapy for Terri, I believe.

February 14, 1993

Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers have a falling-out over the course of therapy for Ms. Schiavo; Michael Schiavo claims that the Schindlers demand that he share the malpractice money with them.

November 15, 2002

The Schindlers contend that Michael Schiavo might have abused Ms. Schiavo and this abuse led to her condition. They ask the court for more time to collect evidence, and to remove Michael Schiavo as guardian.

*shake the head* Why Terri´s parents offered Michael to live with them to take care of Terri in first place when they knows Michael "might" abused their daughter? :roll:

Would you offer your in-law to live with you to take care of your severe disabled child when you know he or she "might" abuse your child?

It sound illogical to me.



http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/timeline.htm

The reason Michael said no to offers from the businessman was because his lawyer George Felos advised him not to accept offers. I suspect that if it was not for his lawyer, Michael might possibly think about accepting the money, I think.

You think so? I doubt.

It was because Michael did NOT allow Terri's parents to visit her very often or how long they can stay with her in her room...he kept a strict visitor list about who is allowed OR not allowed to visit her, with his permission. (Link )

And also, Terri's parents WANTED to stay with Terri until her death but Michael KICKED THEM OUT and would not let them come in until after she passed away. Nice guy, huh? ( Link )

That´s what I mean Michael visited his wife more than Terri´s parents did BEFORE Michael stop them. I don´t blame Michael... Why? -

Michael has a good reason to do that because Terri´s parents got press and photographer, TV etc to take pictures of Terri in the hospitail without get the permission from Michael. I would not like to let anyone to take the picture of my severe ill child in the hospitial because it belongs privacy, not anyone. I can understand that Michael want to save too much burden from Terri where Terri´s parents made for the MONEY... not TERRI... Yes, I saw from the TV or newspaper... Terri with parents... Terri with parents... Terri with parents...

It says in your link.

George Felos, an attorney for Michael Schiavo, said it is appropriate to restrict visitation because a Clearwater police investigation of the puncture wounds is ongoing.

He also said the parents have attempted to profit from their daughter by offering a videotape of Mrs. Schiavo in exchange for donations of $100 or more to a fund to pay the Schindlers' lawyers.

Felos said the Schindlers videotaped their daughter in violation of a court order.

"Because these issues are ongoing, we believe the safest course to protect Terri is to have the Schindlers' visitation supervised," Felos said.

That's true, Terri's parents were hoping that one day she might get better, but that just showed that they would not give up on her while Michael gave up pretty quickly and worked hard to let her die instead.

Remember, Autopsy don´t lie. The problem is Terri´s parents refused to accept it. Michael tried for 3 or more years to improve his wife until he accept the fact that it´s no chance to improve her health and has to let her go accord his wife´s wishes. I know it´s total s**t that Terri & Michael have no living will to prove everyone.

Well, I'm not sure if Terri's parents and Michael were fighting because of money from the beginning. There're too many conflicting articles about this. :/ Terri's parents said one verison what happened between them and Michael, and Michael said his own verison. It's hard to tell what REALLY happened between them. I only know that the Schindlers loved their daughter, and Michael's behavior were very questionable. :/

Unfortunlately yes...

February 14, 1993

Michael Schiavo and the Schindlers have a falling-out over the course of therapy for Ms. Schiavo; Michael Schiavo claims that the Schindlers demand that he share the malpractice money with them.

http://www.miami.edu/ethics/schiavo/timeline.htm

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you know why Terri's parents could not be with her when she died? It was because Michael prevented them to see her when she was nearing her death. Her parents have visited Terri as much as Michael did but they couldn't be with her when she died because Michael had prevented that!

See my response post on Autumn Tree.

Her parents played her like a doll?? Oh please! They have loved her so much even if she wasn't a normal person anymore.

Opposite to me, if they really love her then let her go peaceful and save her suffer. Why should they let her suffer rest of her life...? I can´t understand why anyone CAN put pets sleep to save their suffer, not Terri? Of course Terri is also suffer the same as pets as well. To me, yes because the parents can do anything what they wants with Terri and play with her and cuddle with her....... choose to dress her what they like because Terri CAN´T defend herself... what a sad. Could you image if your parents wash you and dress you and feed you ....... wash to clean your private part...
I can image how Terri feel when I´m in her shoe... *goose bumps*

Being a mother yourself you should be able to understand what Terri's parents were going through with Terri dying from starvation.

I already stated in my previous posts that I disagree to remove feeding-tube to starve to death but injection to sleep without pain.

It should have been God's decision not Michael's on when to take her into Heaven. God may have let her to live for some reasons.

What could God do for us then? God stop to do for us after the death of Jesus. We thank Jesus for gave his strength to cope our life and decide what we do with our life.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

What some people don't understand that Terri’s life does not belong to the U.S. Congress, President Bush, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the Florida court,

Exactly, who got them? Of course Terri´s parents...

Michael

He is Terrí´s husband and legal guardian. He has the right to have decide for her because he know her. I know the problem is they have no living will to prove anything...

or Terri’s parents,

Exactly, Terri´s parents have no right to control Terri´s life because Terri married to Michael.

Her life belongs to God and only God makes the final decision.

Check my answer on Butterflygirl over God.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Life is breathing,

Yes

We breathe air,

Yes

we eat food, we drink water to keep us alive.

Yes but Terri can´t eat food and drink herself to keep her alive.

I believe every person is here for a definite purpose. Each person is special and valuable, rather they are disable, in vegetative state, deaf, blind, people who are living with aids, people who take medication for life, etc. The real meaning about life is love, caring and cherish those you love. Does it matter what Terri was in? Shouldn't matter to anyone. Love her as the way she is. Nobody said life is ever gotta be easy, Terri had a hard years of her life being buried in one place for years, without proper treatments. You have to sit back and think how would u feel that someone wants to take your life without your word of approve what fate you want to either live or die.

Like I say before disabled people including deaf, blind, no arms, no legs, wheelchair, etc. can do everything... but with Terri´s condition is total different.

Like I say before I can´t understand why the people put pets sleep to save their suffer and claim that it´s CRUEL to let pets suffer when someone refused to put their beloved pet to sleep. Right? It´s exact same with Terri. Yes, Terri is suffer which it´s cruel to keep her alive rest of life...

Since Terri never had a living will,

Yes, that´s problem.

Does that give Michael any rights to order her to die? No, he doesn't.

Michael is Terri´s husband. Terri choose to marry him because she trust him and know him. They have been married for over 5 or 7 years before accident. If they are unhappy then Terri would of leave him within 1 or 2 years after married...

It might be easy for some of you who thinks well Terri looks so horrible she needs to die,

Who says Terri look horrible? Nobody here says this but care about her and want to save her suffer and want her go peace, that´s all.

we are speaking of a human being that breathe on her own, we speaking of a human being that was brought in life by God. Now if it was her time to die, It would be on God's terms not on our terms. We have no right to kill someone based on what you think it's best for her or for Michael, or for the world. Perhaps there's a lesson in this for us all.

What about pets then? What God says about pets/animal? To me, there´re NO comparison between animal and human because they have the SAME feeling. Animal and human suffer the same.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Amen! Autumn Tree and Butterflygirl


What some people don't understand that Terri’s life does not belong to the U.S. Congress, President Bush, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the Florida court, Michael or Terri’s parents, Her life belongs to God and only God makes the final decision.

Just my two cents.

Then, why did her parents press all those lawsuits trying to keep her alive? This would have never gone to Congress or anywhere else, if there never was a lawsuit to begin with.

 

[Autumn Tree]

Then, why did her parents press all those lawsuits trying to keep her alive? This would have never gone to Congress or anywhere else, if there never was a lawsuit to begin with.

I think what Cheri mean is that Terri should not be forced to die BEFORE her time. That is, if she was still alive, let her be alive as long as she was able to until she dies on her own of natural causes...NOT to be ushered hurriedly into death by anyone else. (The doctor did say that it seemed Terri was not terminal, and could live at least 10 more years or.)

 

[Cheri]

Then, why did her parents press all those lawsuits trying to keep her alive? This would have never gone to Congress or anywhere else, if there never was a lawsuit to begin with.

You know, don't forget, we are talking about a human life here which is Terri. The parents have the right to have their voice being heard, after a numeric of times Michael wanted to pull the feeding tube. Ask yourself one question, What did Terri Schiavo do to deserve her fate to die? She is no less a person than any of us.

 

[Cheri]

I think what Cheri mean is that Terri should not be forced to die BEFORE her time. That is, if she was still alive, let her be alive as long as she was able to until she dies on her own of natural causes...NOT to be ushered hurriedly into death by anyone else. (The doctor did say that it seemed Terri was not terminal, and could live at least 10 more years or.)

That's correct! Thanks for explaining that to her.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Ask yourself one question, What did Terri Schiavo do to deserve her fate to die?

It is not about whether or not she deserved to die. It was about her desire to die should she be incapacitated. You believe her parents, and that is your right to do so. I happen to believe that she made a hearsay statement to her husband, and that was acted upon in court. Earlier in this thread you said FL law was screwed up. The truth is, just about every state in this country allowed hearsay statements in end of life matters. This is based on two historic court cases that gave people the right to decide their own destiny.

The Karen Ann Quinlin case allowed people to be taken of mechanical ventilators, and The Nancy Cruzan case gave people the right to deconnect feeding tubes.

You can argue with this, perhaps, but it's the law. We have the right to decide whether or not we want to be kept alive when catastrophic illnesses and injuries take place. I firmly believe that all Michael was doing was carrying out her wishes. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Cheri]

Something so interesting.......

In 1992, Michael Schiavo sued for malpractice and won over a $1 million. He was personally awarded $300,000 for his "loss" and $700,000 for Terri's rehabilitation and care for the rest of her natural life. However, the therapy, after the award, was not approved by Michael Schiavo and she was confined to a nursing home after the settlement.

It was after the settlement that Michael first claimed that Terri had previously stated that she didn't want to be kept alive by artificial means — a statement he never mentioned during the malpractice trial. He has never produced any written proof that Terri said that.

Beginning almost immediately after receiving the malpractice funds, Michael Schiavo, as Terri's legal guardian, began to refuse approval for ANY therapy or rehabilitation efforts and she has been confined to bed.

Since 1995, Michael Schiavo has lived openly with a girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, with whom he has two children, while remaining legally married to Terri, as well as being her legal her guardian.

In 1998, Michael Schiavo petitioned the court to have Terri's feeding tube removed. In 2003, Michael Schiavo's attorneys reported that the trust fund was down to $50,000, with more than $430,000 going to "pay for court costs associated with her husband's legal battle to remove his wife's feeding tube." Meanwhile, Medicaid helps to pay Terri's $5,000-a-month nursing costs at a hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/050323

He wasn't paying zippo for Terri's welfare, He only spend that money on court trying to end her life. Tsk tsk!

 

[Cheri]

I firmly believe that all Michael was doing was carrying out her wishes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hello?! When are you going to wake up? There was no living will, What do you mean carrying out her wishes? There is no living will, do you understand that? He was not carrying out her wishes, He was carrying out his own wishes for her to die.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Hello?! When are you going to wake up? There was no living will, What do you mean carrying out her wishes? There is no living will, do you understand that? He was not carrying out her wishes, He was carrying out his own wishes for her to die.

I KNOW there was no living will. Before Living Wills came into existence, end of life wishes were granted based upon the cases I cited obove. If you want, I can pull up the links to those decisions. Michael DID NOT need a written document to carry out what he thought was his wife's wishes. I've already explained this to you in the other post. Before living wills, hearsay evidence was sufficient. You can't dispute this, Cheri. IT WAS THE LAW.

 

[Cheri]

I KNOW there was no living will. Before Living Wills came into existence, end of life wishes were granted based upon the cases I cited obove. If you want, I can pull up the links to those decisions. Michael DID NOT need a written document to carry out what he thought was his wife's wishes. I've already explained this to you in the other post. Before living wills, hearsay evidence was sufficient. You can't dispute this, Cheri. IT WAS THE LAW.

Whatever, He was only married to her for six years, compare to Terri's family that know her all her life. I'm sure her parents know what Terri wants better than Michael would know.

Just my two cents!

 

[Autumn Tree]

That's correct! Thanks for explaining that to her.

You're welcome!


To Oceanbreeze:

Even though it was the law, Michael should still have gotten a written document after all, seeing as what happened when there's no Living Will nearby to prove Terri's wishes. The way Michael behaved was just too fishy. If Terri has had an actual Living Will to show this was what she wanted, then it would make a big difference and we would probably have respect to her wishes, I guess. :|

 

[Angel]

When Terri collapsed on February 25, 1990, in the hallway of their home..... Michael never brought up anything about Terri's wishes to die until 8 years later after winning the lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa's fertility therapy when he made a promise to the judge that he will use the money to help Terri and to love and stay with her forever.....Not once he brought up Terri's wishes to die during the lawsuit until Michael petitioned the court to have her feeding tube removed stating that he believed he was carrying out Terri's wishes.....


It doesn't make sense why after all those years Michael not once said this is what Terri wishes were to die, until 8 years later?....

It proves to me Michael is a liar and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth

 

[JeepGirl]

" The Head of the Household " means the father.

sorry this is off topic.. how about a single mother with a child living at home alone.. who's the head of the household? The mother

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's time Terri's parents and Michael live together to take care of Terri at home. Michael got nursing degree after training to become a nurse to help his wife. It proves that he's good and caring husband and hope to improve his wife but he lost his hope after learn from doctor that it's no hope for his wife later.

Michael didn't said anything to make Terri's parents suffer (of course he can sue Terri's parents to make millions for defamatary if he want to but he didn't). Why? Because he know Terri would not like him to be mean and cruel to her parents.

I noticed alot of people's questions: "Why can't Michael give his wife to her parents to move with his new life with a girlfriend?" Remember, Michael is not Terri's owner but husband and legal guardian.

I asked to myself thousand of times either Terri's parents know what Terri wants?

Yes it was understandable that Michael felt she did not want to live on this way but I beleive that she wanted to free to be peace.

Michael's new life disgust some of you, not Terri's parents. You check Terri's parent interview link.

Terri Schiavo's parents discuss their pain, heartache & resolve
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=17038

"I told him, 'Michael, if you want to go off and ride into the sunset with [the woman], I understand. You are a young guy. Don't worry. Don't let your conscience bother you. Mary and I understand," Bob said he told Michael.


Bob said after the medical malpractice suit Michael "broke up" with the woman he had been seeing and he began being "intimate" with the woman he has lived with for eight years since -- who is the mother of his two children.

Mary, like Bob, said she doesn't agree with a lot that's gone on but said she understands why Michael would want to move on.



"I thought in my heart that if he found somebody else, fine. He's a young guy, 'Go on with your life,'" Mary said firmly. "'Just give me back my daughter.' It was assumed. I will take care of her. Don't worry about it."

I see nothing wrong with that "move on with new life" after divorced or d eath of their partners.

I'm glad that Terri go after long years suffering. She deserve her freedom of peace. I would want my family let me go peace if there're no chance for me. All what I hope they would live with good memories where/how good times and happy they spent with me and let them go on living their own life.

Yes, I know Michael has no right to starve Terri but I respect Michael's decision to allow his wife to go peace because he know her best. I know you will not agree with me but I feel it's husband or wife should be legal guardian, not parents. I can understand how Terri's parent feel over starving to death. Terri has the right to go and have her rest after long suffering. I wish Michael decided for euthanasia but euthanasia is not accept to the law law system. (I don't know why).

I'm not saying I'm happy that Terri died but I'm happy that Michael as husband is allow to make the decision for his wife instead of her parents or policitians. Terri's parent's word got me *goose bumps* "The whole thing surprises me the way the courts have set up the guardianship," Bob said. "The guardianship laws are horrible." (check first link of Terris' parent's interview). I would make sure that my husband is my legal guardian if I learn that the law change and make legal guardian for the parents as "next kin" instead of husband or wife because a lot of married partners trust their married partners to their parents. I'm glad that the law didn't make it but wake us up about living will, not legal guardian. *phew*

I feel bad for Terri because she didn't know that she is middle between Michael and her parents because she know them and love them dearly which it's unfair. Terri's parent must see that Terri is not "child" anymore but married woman.

I thought sometimes that we treat pets better than human because the pets didn't starve to death but human. Unfair.

I feel that Terri's parents use religious as an excuse. Shame on everyone who tried to abuse Terri's case for regligious, politicial, press, etc. as an excuse especially Terri's parents. I feel that they are happy to ruin Michael's life with dirty rumors and abuse...than care about their daughter's memory or her marriage life.

Can't you image how do you feel when you are in Terri's shoe... unable to move, eat or express your own wishes...?

I know that you will disagree with me and might label me as "cold person" but you didn't know me as real life. I accept to your opinion if you think I'm cold person but I stand my opinion and what I think different than you. I'm sorry how you feel about my post...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Schiavo: 'Nothing's going to stop me'

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/28/Tampabay/Schiavo___Nothing_s_g.shtm

Breaking his silence, Michael Schiavo on Monday defended the decision to end his wife's life, despite a blistering emotional and legal battle with her parents.

"I love my wife and I'm going to follow her wish and nothing's going to stop me," Schiavo said on CNN's Larry King Live.

Schiavo, who hasn't commented in recent weeks as controversy swirled around his wife's right-to-die case, said it was Terri Schiavo's wish during their marriage that she not be kept alive by artificial means.

Schiavo also criticized Florida lawmakers for passing "Terri's Law," the measure that allowed Gov. Jeb Bush last week to force doctors to reinsert Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube.

"The House and Senate never looked at any evidence," Schiavo said. "They made their decision based on e-mails."

Schiavo, 40, of Clearwater, who faced death threats in recent weeks that forced him out of his house, last spoke to reporters at an August press conference and has generally declined interviews during the past two years.

But on Monday, he used the national forum provided by King's show to recount the failed efforts he made to help his severely brain-damaged wife. He expressed anger at Mrs. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, for challenging his decision in the courts.

"Mr. and Mrs. Schindler know exactly what condition she's in," Schiavo said. "They were there in the beginning. . . . Now they're being fed all this information from these right-to-life activists."

Schiavo appeared in Los Angeles with his attorney, George Felos, who told King that doctors have long resolved that Mrs. Schiavo cannot recover.

"There's no evidence of cerebral activity. She's not brain dead but she has no consciousness, no awareness and she never will," Felos said.

The constitutionality of "Terri's Law" is being challenged in the Pinellas-Pasco courts, and Felos told King he expects an appeal to quickly reach the Florida Supreme Court.

In the hourlong program, Schiavo took King back to Feb. 25, 1990, the morning that he came home late from work, kissed his wife goodnight and awakened to her collapsing near the couple's bedroom. Mrs. Schiavo was 26 and the couple had been married since 1984.

Mrs. Schiavo's brain was deprived of oxygen for several minutes. "I rolled her over and she was lifeless," Schiavo said.

Some doctors believe she collapsed from a potassium imbalance that might have been caused by bulimia nervosa, Schiavo said.

Courts since have ruled that Mrs. Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state and cannot recover. Her parents dispute that, saying their daughter is conscious, responds to them and might improve with therapy.

Schiavo petitioned the Pinellas-Pasco Courts in 1998 to remove his wife's feeding tube, saying she would not want to be kept alive by artificial means.

Schiavo said his wife told him as much several times during their marriage.

He said her death would be painless, saying, "It's a very easy way to die."

Schiavo, who said he once was close friends with Mary Schindler, accused Bob Schindler of wanting control of his daughter's life for the money. He recalled the exact date - Feb. 14, 1993 - when he split with the Schindlers in what he said was an argument over money that nearly ended up in a fight with Mr. Schindler.

"I would never expect anything less from Mr. Schindler," Schiavo said. "Mr. Schindler didn't get any money. He wants the money. He wants the control."

But Schiavo repeated, "I'm not going to walk away because I love her very much."

Schiavo said he put his wife through years of therapy in hopes she would recover. He said nothing worked and he lost hope.

Schiavo said videos that the Schindlers say show Mrs. Schiavo responding to family and objects such as balloons are misleading. He said the tapes show "snippets," and other portions show her to be unresponsive.

Schiavo denied he will profit by his wife's death and said he even offered to give away a malpractice jury award his wife received after her collapse. The money once totaled more than $700,000 but is down to about $50,000.

Schiavo said: "I will not receive a penny from this."

Schiavo said he thought the Schindlers were being unrealistic about their daughter's condition.

"I just think they're grasping at straws," he said.

In another prime-time news program, Greta Van Susteren of Fox News interviewed Pat Anderson, the attorney for Mrs. Schiavo's parents.

Anderson said Schiavo is driven by financial interests. "It's hard to know what to believe with him," Anderson said.

See that the parents blame Michael for neglect therapies etc. for their daughter BECAUSE the doctor say there're no chance in 3 years later. It's them who refuse to see it but dirt and abuse Michael's image.