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A New Model Army Soldier Rolls Closer to the Battlefield

By TIM WEINER, The New York Times


(Feb. 16) - The American military is working on a new generation of soldiers, far different from the army it has.

"They don't get hungry," said Gordon Johnson of the Joint Forces Command at the Pentagon. "They're not afraid. They don't forget their orders. They don't care if the guy next to them has just been shot. Will they do a better job than humans? Yes."

The robot soldier is coming.

The Pentagon predicts that robots will be a major fighting force in the American military in less than a decade, hunting and killing enemies in combat. Robots are a crucial part of the Army's effort to rebuild itself as a 21st-century fighting force, and a $127 billion project called Future Combat Systems is the biggest military contract in American history.

The military plans to invest tens of billions of dollars in automated armed forces. The costs of that transformation will help drive the Defense Department's budget up almost 20 percent, from a requested $419.3 billion for next year to $502.3 billion in 2010, excluding the costs of war. The annual costs of buying new weapons is scheduled to rise 52 percent, from $78 billion to $118.6 billion.

Military planners say robot soldiers will think, see and react increasingly like humans. In the beginning, they will be remote-controlled, looking and acting like lethal toy trucks. As the technology develops, they may take many shapes. And as their intelligence grows, so will their autonomy.

The robot soldier has been a dream at the Pentagon for 30 years. And some involved in the work say it may take at least 30 more years to realize in full. Well before then, they say, the military will have to answer tough questions if it intends to trust robots with the responsibility of distinguishing friend from foe, combatant from bystander.

Even the strongest advocates of automatons say war will always be a human endeavor, with death and disaster. And supporters like Robert Finkelstein, president of Robotic Technology in Potomac, Md., are telling the Pentagon it could take until 2035 to develop a robot that looks, thinks and fights like a soldier. The Pentagon's "goal is there," he said, "but the path is not totally clear."

Robots in battle, as envisioned by their builders, may look and move like humans or hummingbirds, tractors or tanks, cockroaches or crickets. With the development of nanotechnology - the science of very small structures - they may become swarms of "smart dust." The Pentagon intends for robots to haul munitions, gather intelligence, search buildings or blow them up.

All these are in the works, but not yet in battle. Already, however, several hundred robots are digging up roadside bombs in Iraq, scouring caves in Afghanistan and serving as armed sentries at weapons depots.

By April, an armed version of the bomb-disposal robot will be in Baghdad, capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute. Though controlled by a soldier with a laptop, the robot will be the first thinking machine of its kind to take up a front-line infantry position, ready to kill enemies.

"The real world is not Hollywood," said Rodney A. Brooks, director of the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory at M.I.T. and a co-founder of the iRobot Corporation. "Right now we have the first few robots that are actually useful to the military."

Despite the obstacles, Congress ordered in 2000 that a third of the ground vehicles and a third of deep-strike aircraft in the military must become robotic within a decade. If that mandate is to be met, the United States will spend many billions of dollars on military robots by 2010.

Military Robots Being Developed

This robotic vehicle was used to disarm a car bomb in Iraq.

· Category 1: Performs hunting and killing tasks

· Category 2: Scouts buildings, tunnels and caves

· Category 3: Hauls weapons and gear, performs searches and reconnaissance

· Category 4: Flying drone

· Category 5: Launches drones to conduct surveillance, psychological warfare and more

As the first lethal robots head for Iraq, the role of the robot soldier as a killing machine has barely been debated. The history of warfare suggests that every new technological leap - the longbow, the tank, the atomic bomb - outraces the strategy and doctrine to control it.

"The lawyers tell me there are no prohibitions against robots making life-or-death decisions," said Mr. Johnson, who leads robotics efforts at the Joint Forces Command research center in Suffolk, Va. "I have been asked what happens if the robot destroys a school bus rather than a tank parked nearby. We will not entrust a robot with that decision until we are confident they can make it."

Trusting robots with potentially lethal decision-making may require a leap of faith in technology not everyone is ready to make. Bill Joy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, has worried aloud that 21st-century robotics and nanotechnology may become "so powerful that they can spawn whole new classes of accidents and abuses."

"As machines become more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them," Mr. Joy wrote recently in Wired magazine. "Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage, the machines will be in effective control."

Pentagon officials and military contractors say the ultimate ideal of unmanned warfare is combat without casualties. Failing that, their goal is to give as many difficult, dull or dangerous missions as possible to the robots, conserving American minds and protecting American bodies in battle.


Quotes on Robot Soldiers

"They're not afraid. They don't forget their orders. They don't care if the guy next to them has just been shot. Will they do a better job than humans? Yes."
-- Gordon Johnson, Joint Forces Command at the Pentagon

"This is the first time [soldiers have] said, 'I want a robot,' because they're going to get killed without it."
-- Bart Everett, Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, on the demand for armed bomb-disposal robots in Iraq

"I have been asked what happens if the robot destroys a school bus rather than a tank parked nearby. We will not entrust a robot with that decision until we are confident they can make it."
-- Gordon Johnson

"Anyone who's a decision maker doesn't want American lives at risk," Mr. Brooks said. "It's the same question as, Should soldiers be given body armor? It's a moral issue. And cost comes in."

Money, in fact, may matter more than morals. The Pentagon today owes its soldiers $653 billion in future retirement benefits that it cannot presently pay. Robots, unlike old soldiers, do not fade away. The median lifetime cost of a soldier is about $4 million today and growing, according to a Pentagon study. Robot soldiers could cost a tenth of that or less.

"It's more than just a dream now," Mr. Johnson said. "Today we have an infantry soldier" as the prototype of a military robot, he added. "We give him a set of instructions: if you find the enemy, this is what you do. We give the infantry soldier enough information to recognize the enemy when he's fired upon. He is autonomous, but he has to operate under certain controls. It's supervised autonomy. By 2015, we think we can do many infantry missions.

"The American military will have these kinds of robots. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when."

Meanwhile, the demand for armed bomb-disposal robots is growing daily among soldiers in Iraq. "This is the first time they've said, 'I want a robot,' because they're going to get killed without it," said Bart Everett, technical director for robotics at the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center in San Diego.

Mr. Everett and his colleagues are inventing military robots for future battles. The hardest thing of all, robot designers say, is to build a soldier that looks and acts human, like the "I, Robot" model imagined by Isaac Asimov and featured in the recent movie of the same name. Still, Mr. Everett's personal goal is to create "an android-like robot that can go out with a solider to do a lot of human-like tasks that soldiers are doing now."

A prototype, about four feet high, with a Cyclops eye and a gun for a right arm, stood in a workshop at the center recently. It readied, aimed and fired at a Pepsi can, performing the basic tasks of hunting and killing. "It's the first robot that I know of that can find targets and shoot them," Mr. Everett said.

Decades ago, Isaac Asimov posited three rules for robots: Do not hurt humans; obey humans unless that violates Rule 1; defend yourself unless that violates Rules 1 and 2.
 
If they are to use the robots to fight against the enemies... don't you think the enemies will resort to using the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) as a weapon to stop the robots?

Scary since the entire robotic military may fail due to the EMP weapons because it would force the USA to go into bankruptcy due to high costs of war and failures is to be avoided in order or more expenses will be made.
 
Banjo said:
If they are to use the robots to fight against the enemies... don't you think the enemies will resort to using the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) as a weapon to stop the robots?

Scary since the entire robotic military may fail due to the EMP weapons because it would force the USA to go into bankruptcy due to high costs of war and failures is to be avoided in order or more expenses will be made.

EMPs can't affect hardened electronics. Most critical military devices that are deployed to the battlefield are hardened against EMP.

Since EMPs can be set off by accident (blowing up a transformer) or from other munitions (i.e., nukes), I'm sure the military would want to avoid taking out their own devices with friendly fire.

Besides, this article is pure fear mongering. Sure, it's a DREAM to have a terminator like fighting device, but we'll never let it happen in the near future, without having a human operator behind it.
 
Dennis said:
Besides, this article is pure fear mongering. Sure, it's a DREAM to have a terminator like fighting device, but we'll never let it happen in the near future, without having a human operator behind it.


Don't bet on it. That kind of blanket statement, that we'll never let it happen, is extremely dangerous, because we most assuredly WILL let it happen. Do not underestimate the evil in human hearts, particularly when it comes to military technology.
 
looks like the Matrix trigology would be based on a true story soon...
 
Dennis said:
EMPs can't affect hardened electronics. Most critical military devices that are deployed to the battlefield are hardened against EMP.

Since EMPs can be set off by accident (blowing up a transformer) or from other munitions (i.e., nukes), I'm sure the military would want to avoid taking out their own devices with friendly fire.

Besides, this article is pure fear mongering. Sure, it's a DREAM to have a terminator like fighting device, but we'll never let it happen in the near future, without having a human operator behind it.
That's right. I'm sure they've already thought of that before creating these things. ;)
 
Beowulf said:
Don't bet on it. That kind of blanket statement, that we'll never let it happen, is extremely dangerous, because we most assuredly WILL let it happen. Do not underestimate the evil in human hearts, particularly when it comes to military technology.

Tell me how this isn't the writer trying to scare people into opposing this kind of technology from happening:

"Military planners say robot soldiers will think, see and react increasingly like humans. In the beginning, they will be remote-controlled, looking and acting like lethal toy trucks. As the technology develops, they may take many shapes. And as their intelligence grows, so will their autonomy."

"By April, an armed version of the bomb-disposal robot will be in Baghdad, capable of firing 1,000 rounds a minute. Though controlled by a soldier with a laptop, the robot will be the first thinking machine of its kind to take up a front-line infantry position, ready to kill enemies."

As the first lethal robots head for Iraq, the role of the robot soldier as a killing machine has barely been debated. The history of warfare suggests that every new technological leap - the longbow, the tank, the atomic bomb - outraces the strategy and doctrine to control it.

All the article does is make you afraid of the technology, when in fact, all the soldiers are advocating is their safety from indiscriminate weapons like mines and bombs.

"This is the first time [soldiers have] said, 'I want a robot,' because they're going to get killed without it."
-- Bart Everett, Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, on the demand for armed bomb-disposal robots in Iraq
 
Steel said:
looks like the Matrix trigology would be based on a true story soon...

I was hoping that someday there will be world peace, but geez...
I don't want more war.
 
Beowulf said:
Don't bet on it. That kind of blanket statement, that we'll never let it happen, is extremely dangerous, because we most assuredly WILL let it happen. Do not underestimate the evil in human hearts, particularly when it comes to military technology.
I completely agree with you. For some reason, I found it very disturbing...
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
I was hoping that someday there will be world peace, but geez...
I don't want more war.
As long as under neoconservative's control, there will be never peace.

Never.
 
Hahahaha! This reminds me of an old song. Folks, don't quake in your shoes and throw up your hands in dispair. Everything you see or imagine you see is not so.

Breathe deep the gathering gloom
Watch lights fade from every room
Bedsetter people look back and lament
Another day's useless energy's spent
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one
Lonely man cries for love and has none
New mother picks up and suckles her son
Senior citizens wish they were young
Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colors from our sight
Red is grey and yellow white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion

What the future holds is up to you. What are you doing to change it? I mean out there in RW not VR. Hmmm?
 
it already seems that the future is already closer than it seems...

where we learn and experience new things about machines, and tons of people say that machines shouldn't have feelings and are just being programmed for nothing and others say that machines don't even have souls and are just pieces of junks and oil.

If you seen such films like The Matrix, Terminator, Ghost in The Shell, A.I., I, Robot, and so on...

A.I., which is directed by Steven Speilberg, the movie gensis himself. is an perfect example of what is the difference between humans and machines. is it wrong to love someone that is not real? is it wrong treat somone who looks like a human like a human being? is it wrong to abanon or do whatever you want to do with someone who isn't real, like ripping it into pieces, burning it, or beating the crap out of it? even though the person isn't real but an actual organic living machine?

when someone say "I'm real! I'm real! please don't kill me!" would you kill nor not kill someone, who is actually an android? (high techogloy human-like robot)

when they use robot soilders in the battle, will they look like humans or just human-like shiny metal androids? (like the terminators)

if so, will they treat them like people? or just treat them like shit for nothing because they don't even care that they are just machines?

if a machine loves you, would you love "him/her" back?

see, these are the most difficult questions to answer when it comes to humans and machines.
 
Steel said:
when they use robot soilders in the battle, will they look like humans or just human-like shiny metal androids? (like the terminators)

if so, will they treat them like people? or just treat them like shit for nothing because they don't even care that they are just machines?

if a machine loves you, would you love "him/her" back?

see, these are the most difficult questions to answer when it comes to humans and machines.
Robots are machines. It doesn't matter what the outer shell looks like. A machine can't "love". You can't "kill" a machine.

It is nothing difficult to answer. Smashing a robot is just like smashing a car.
 
I think it's a great idea.

However, it's only a matter of time when artificial intelligence takes over. :eek:
 
Pfffft! Ya'll watch too much tv. Besides, the aliens will land before that happens. :Ohno:
 
Codger said:
Pfffft! Ya'll watch too much tv. Besides, the aliens will land before that happens. :Ohno:
perhas the predators, instead? since they are about as smart as humans, indeed. :D
 
some of my friends thought that it's proably better to use robots in battles instead of using humans, since no one would die in battles expect robots, which alot of them would be destoryed by other humans or machines, etc...

so I dunno...America is the richest nation in the world right? but don't forget that Japan and Britain are also one of the top richest nations in the world also. They are both obsessed in techology and robots, etc...

ever seen the 007 films? yeah...with James Bond going on awesome lookin' cars loads with missle launchers, machine guns, boot chair, smear gas release, etc...

as for the Japanese, there are so many animes based on giant robots like Gundam W, Big O, Neo Genesis Evalenion (sp?), Apple Seed, Ghost in The Shell, and so on...

I wouldn't be surprised if the Japanes has ALREADY invented the androids for battle use or whatever like that...even if we didn't know about that, because they are actually top secret objects.

but you gotta know...most of the japanese are actually alot smarter than the americans because they take more education than we americans do, and it's not a lie, either. ;)
 
The Japanese are a very dedicated and determined people. After their defeat at the end of their war with America, we transfered a lot of technology and expertise to japan. They very methodically mastered it and even began to surpass us. They dominated us in consumer electronics in thirty years. In auto manufacturing in forty. So far, we are ahead in computer technology. And in a lot of cutting edge technology. And ahead of everyone in (here is a new term for you) bleeding edge technology.

I don't think you will ever truely know who has what until the next really large conflict. Every nation plays it's cards close. Technologically, we are ten to twenty years ahead of what the public sees. for instance, how fast do you think our fastest aircraft flies? Would you believe Mach 9.8? Mach 1 is the speed of sound, 761mph. Mach 9.8 is 7,457.8mph! That same jet is designed to reach Mach 15, 11,415mph! The X-43A is a scramjet using hydrogen fuel. The fastest car? 763mph. Those are published technology facts. The military does not publish the latest gear. The newest supercomputer would blow your mind.
 
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