SWAT Team Shoots 'Armed' Fla. 8th-Grader

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LONGWOOD, Fla. - An eighth-grader was shot and wounded by a SWAT team officer in a school bathroom Friday after he pulled out a pellet gun that resembled a real weapon and later raised it at a deputy, authorities said.

Sheriff Don Eslinger said the 15-year-old boy brought the gun to Milwee Middle School in his backpack. Eslinger said two students saw it and one persuaded the other to report it, causing a scuffle.

The alleged gunman ordered one of the students into a closet, dimmed the lights and ran from the classroom. He then went around the campus carrying the weapon, Eslinger said. Deputies eventually isolated him in a restroom, and the school was evacuated.

Eslinger said negotiators tried unsuccessfully to start a dialogue with the boy, identified as Christopher David Penley.

"He did not respond," Eslinger said. "He refused to even comment. All he said was his first name. He did not drop the firearm."

When the boy raised the gun at a deputy, he shot the youth, the sheriff said.

Penley was taken to a hospital, where he was on "advanced life support," the sheriff said.

"He was suicidal," Eslinger said. "During this standoff, and during the chase, the student said he was going to kill himself or die." At one point, the boy held the gun to his own neck.

No one else was injured. The sheriff's office confirmed later that the weapon was a pellet gun fashioned to look like a 9mm handgun. The tip of the gun had been painted black, covering brightly colored markings that would have indicated it was nonlethal.

Investigators did not know why Penley brought the weapon to school. "We are looking into his past, and all kinds of different issues possibly." Eslinger said.

Classes were canceled for the rest of the day, and frantic parents arrived to pick up their children from the 1,100-student public school in suburban Orlando.

"When I saw the news, I just couldn't believe this was my daughter's school. I came right away," said Anil Santos, whose daughter, Aleister, is in eighth grade.

Sarah Tivy, 12, said some students were frightened, but she appeared calm.

"I just figured that if someone is going to bring a gun to school, then they need to be taken out of school," she said.

Kelly Swofford, a neighbor whose 11-year-old son is close friends with Penley, said he visited their home Thursday night and complained that "people were picking on him at school. I told him he needed to talk to his guidance counselor."

Her son Jeffery said Penley talked about wanting to die when the two had breakfast Friday morning. He said Penley had been fighting with another boy, allegedly over a girl.

"Everybody knew they were going to fight," Jeffery said. "I heard a rumor that he had a BB gun, but I didn't think he really had one."

Phone calls to Penley's home were not answered Friday, and a person who answered the door declined to comment.

As dusk fell, Marie Hargis stood in front of the school with a sign that read "Stop the violence." Her 14-year-old son and 13-year-old daughter attend Milwee.

"My youngest daughter is just very emotionally messed up. She started crying and said, `Mommy, I don't want to go back.' They should not fear having to go to school."
 
If the news media would not give so much t.v. coverage then there would be a whole alots less school shootings. Less incentive for the kids to get attention in a deadly way then there would be less fuel for the anti-gun activists. Remember the media is also anti-gun.
 
HOLY CRAP! What's wrong with him!? MY GAWD! At least he got caught and everyone stay safe!
 
Updated news...boy is now brain dead

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060115/ap_on_re_us/school_evacuated

Vigil Planned for Student Shot by Police

LONGWOOD, Fla. - Family and friends mourning the loss of a troubled teenager prepared a candlelight vigil Sunday to remember the boy, who had been described as clinically brain dead within a day of being shot by deputies at his middle school.

Christopher Penley, 15, was only kept alive after being declared clinically brain dead Saturday morning so his organs could be harvested for donation, said Mark Nation, a lawyer for Penley's parents.

The lawyer said doctors were expected to take him off life support after all useable organs had been removed. The hospital refused to discuss his condition.

"It's just unbelievable to me that he's gone," said Bucky Hurt, a family friend who had been with the boy's father, Ralph Penley, at the hospital. "It's very, very devastating. Good kid too — it's a tragedy."

The evening vigil was planned at nearby Landmark Community church to remember Christopher.

Friends and neighbors described the teenager as emotionally troubled, saying he had been bullied at school and had run away from home several times.

On Friday, he was at school with a pellet gun that closely resembled a 9mm handgun when another boy scuffled with him for control of the gun inside a classroom. Christopher was later cornered by sheriff's deputies and a SWAT team in a school bathroom, authorities said.

Seminole County Sheriff Don Eslinger said the boy was suicidal and couldn't be talked into surrendering the weapon. The teenager was shot after he raised the gun at a deputy, Eslinger said.

No one else at the 1,100-student school in suburban Orlando was injured.

Eslinger said it wasn't until after the incident that authorities realized the weapon was only a pellet gun.

But the family's lawyer said Saturday that Ralph Penley had told authorities during the standoff that his son had a pellet gun. Nation said police wouldn't let the father inside when he arrived at the school.

"If Christopher was alive and (Ralph Penley) was able to go into the school, he would've been able to talk him out of it," Nation said. "He did everything he could to avoid this situation."
 
This boy was mentally unstable, how come no one noticed he had this problem and get him some help with professional.
 
Yeah, we should blame the parents.

Problems start where? At home...
 
ButterflyGirl said:

I would say that this was "legalized murder" but I will not. First, have any of you ever had a gun aimed at you, then told it (the gun) wasn't real? I have, as a student in a Christian college in suburban Tempe, Arizona. I left the college, mainly for that reason and also, that the school did NOT discipline either the student that aimed the handgun at me, nor his roommate who assaulted me. The cop had NO WAY OF KNOWING, neither did I when a "toy gun" was aimed at me. My heart feels a little heavy because of this and hope that the cop doesn't take his/her retirement because of this...they had no way of knowing it wasn't a real gun.
 
pek1 said:
I would say that this was "legalized murder" but I will not. First, have any of you ever had a gun aimed at you, then told it (the gun) wasn't real? I have, as a student in a Christian college in suburban Tempe, Arizona. I left the college, mainly for that reason and also, that the school did NOT discipline either the student that aimed the handgun at me, nor his roommate who assaulted me. The cop had NO WAY OF KNOWING, neither did I when a "toy gun" was aimed at me. My heart feels a little heavy because of this and hope that the cop doesn't take his/her retirement because of this...they had no way of knowing it wasn't a real gun.

I now stand corrected. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCHOOL_EVACUATED?SITE=SDRAP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT This is now legalized murder." The police were told that the "gun" was a pellet gun. Appears to me that the police and SWAT were on a hunt...who is going to be next?
 
The SWAT team is not on a hunt !!! :roll:

SWAT teams are trained to kill by shooting the suspect's head clean off.

The mintune that kid raised the gun towards the SWAT team.

He was done. The SWAT team has to shoot before the bad guy even shoots back.

That is a principle of handgun combat or pistolcraft.

You shoot before the bad guy even shoots.

Do not wait for the bad guy to unholster or raise his weapon. You blow him away clean.

You do the same thing as a soldier in wartime.

Don't wait for your enemy to raise his AK-74 rifle ( or the older verison AK-47 ). Shoot him dead right now.

I know it sounds cold , man but the SWAT guys got to go home at the end of their shift safe in one piece to their wife and their family.

If I was the SWAT team member, I would have shot the kid because there is no time to differ if he has a bb gun or a real gun.

Why did he even bring a gun to school, let alone a bb gun in the first place?

Everybody knows in America to not bring a gun to school !!!
 
Heath, I don't think you understand what Pek1's saying here.

It's now being said that the cops were TOLD of the boy being armed with a PELLET gun but did that stop them from shooting the boy?

No, it didn't. That's why some people are very angry right now.
 
Heath, you need to read the articles very carefully before you jump into conclusions.
 
That's why I think guns laws for kids should be raise at age of 21, too many kids get in hands of guns, doesn't matter what kind of gun it is. We are talking about saving lives, How are saving lives of kids having guns or learning to shoot at a younger age?

I do believe that the school should discuss the law policy to the students to be aware that they are not to bring any type of guns to school, Parents are requirement to discuss this to their children too, so nobody gets injury or killed.

I'm sorry that this 15 years old boy died. It is very sad that it has to happened this way. :(
 
:( I feel so sorry for this family for their loss. I know the young man had been emotionally unstable, but, with all the tragic prior school shootings, why didn't his parent's educate him better about guns. This is such a sad time for the family, friends and classmates of this young man who's life had been taken, because of the careless act with a gun.
 
Aww I feel really bad for the boy, I know he did was wrong, but darn, I wish some kids will stop picking on others....Maybe this wouldn't have happened....I :dunno:

*shaking my head at some kids who just love to be a bully*

And tsk tsk on SWAT shooter when they already knew what the boy had in his hand....but it didn't stop them from shooting him.... :(
 
^Angel^ said:
And tsk tsk on SWAT shooter when they already knew what the boy had in his hand....but it didn't stop them from shooting him.... :(

If the SWAT member honestly did not know the kid had a bb gun then he should not be at fault. He had to depend on his training and take the kid out.

If the SWAT member did know the kid had a bb gun then he should have ordered one of the team members to go disarm the kid hand to hand combat then restrain and arrest the kid. BB guns do hurt and in very rare instances can be fatal but nothing compared to a real gun which can be 100% guaranteed fatal.
 
Heath said:
Everybody knows in America to not bring a gun to school !!!

I was a student at a Bible college in Tempe, Arizona, evidentally, that student who aimed a gun at me didn't know. I left the school because they condoned it and, when I left, my money came with me.
 
Heath said:
If the SWAT member honestly did not know the kid had a bb gun then he should not be at fault. He had to depend on his training and take the kid out.

If the SWAT member did know the kid had a bb gun then he should have ordered one of the team members to go disarm the kid hand to hand combat then restrain and arrest the kid. BB guns do hurt and in very rare instances can be fatal but nothing compared to a real gun which can be 100% guaranteed fatal.

They knew. They just didn't give a damn. :fu: is their attitude when they're told. Just like the guy who was murdered on the tarmac a few weeks ago. The people who are members of the police and FBI, not to mention the US Marshals, are out of control. I'm gonna vote every last GOP out of office the next election, including those who condone legalized murder.
 
Cheri said:
That's why I think guns laws for kids should be raise at age of 21, too many kids get in hands of guns, doesn't matter what kind of gun it is. We are talking about saving lives, How are saving lives of kids having guns or learning to shoot at a younger age?

I do believe that the school should discuss the law policy to the students to be aware that they are not to bring any type of guns to school, Parents are requirement to discuss this to their children too, so nobody gets injury or killed.

I'm sorry that this 15 years old boy died. It is very sad that it has to happened this way. :(
Let's not forget... raising the age isn't going to do any good. Kids still get access to alcohol, cigarettes, and guns... at home.

A lot of self-inflicted gunshot deaths involving kids are from kids getting access to their parent's gun.
 
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