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I can't believe that the SC ruling will allow local governments to sieze property not for just schools, roads, and highways but also for private or commercial development. Looks like this is another win for big business and another hit for the little guy. Last year there were rumors that my neighborhood was being cleared for a flood plain and another about it being redeveloped by a half-a** homebuilder. I'm not a Raging Steve clone, but reading this makes me want to scream, 'CONSPIRACY.' Dorothy may have said, "There's no place like home" in the Wizard of Oz but now government CAN take that from you too. Let's be careful out there. :pissed:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/23/news/fortune500/retail_eminentdomain/index.htm

Eminent domain: A big-box bonanza?
Court's ruling OKed land grab for business like Target, Home Depot, CostCo, Bed Bath & Beyond
June 24, 2005: 3:20 PM EDT
By Parija Bhatnagar, CNN/Money staff writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Supreme Court may have just delivered an early Christmas gift to the nation's biggest retailers by its ruling Thursday allowing governments to take private land for business development.

Retailers such as Target (Research), Home Depot (Research) and Bed, Bath & Beyond (Research) have thus far managed to keep the "eminent domain" issue under the radar -- and sidestep a prickly public relations problem -- even as these companies continue to expand their footprint into more urban residential areas where prime retail space isn't always easily found.

Eminent domain is a legal principle that allows the government to take private property for a "public use," such as a school or roads and bridges, in exchange for just compensation.

Local governments have increasingly expanded the scope of public use to include commercial entities such as shopping malls or independent retail stores. Critics of the process maintain that local governments are too quick to invoke eminent domain on behalf of big retailers because of the potential for tax revenue generation and job creation.

The Supreme Court's decision Thursday clarified that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private and public economic development.

The ruling would seem to offer new opportunities to retailers. However, some industry watchers caution that with Thursday's decision thrusting the eminent domain issue into the national spotlight, companies using eminent domain risk a very public backlash.

Craig Johnson, president of retail consulting group Customer Growth Partners, said that retailers shouldn't interpret the high court's decision to be a green light to aggressively expand even into those neighborhoods where a big-box presence is unwelcome.

"Even with the Supreme Court's decision potentially in their favor, smart retailers would rather go into communities wearing a white hat rather than a black one," said Johnson.

The appropriate move for companies would be to selectively use eminent domain as a last resort, he said, not as a first course of action. "I think companies have learned a few lessons from Wal-Mart's public relations struggles," he said.

Where's the space crunch?
According to industry watchers, retailers face a different type of expansion problem on the East Coast versus the West Coast.

"On the West Coast, land availability takes a back seat to labor union issues and that's why Wal-Mart has consistently run into problems in California," Johnson said. "On the East Coast, because of population density it's very hard to get big open space and the zoning is more restrictive," Johnson said.

Industry consultant George Whalin said that's one reason that Target, the No. 2 retailer behind Wal-Mart, (Research) has resorted to using eminent domain to set up shop in a few East Coast markets.

Target and Wal-Mart could not immediately be reached for comment.

"Wal-Mart and Target have both been criticized for their eminent domain use," said Burt Flickinger, a consultant with the Strategic Resources Group.

Meanwhile, eminent domain opponents called the high court ruling a "big blow for small businesses."

"It's crazy to think about replacing existing successful small businesses with other businesses," said Adrian Moore, vice president of Los Angeles-based Reason Public Policy Institute, a non-profit organization opposed to eminent domain.

"There are many, many instances where we've found that the cities that agreed to eminent domain use not only destroyed local businesses but the tax revenue that the local government had hoped to generate did not come to pass," Moore said.

But at least one retail industry analyst sees things a little differently.

"Expanding for big box store is a challenge, especially in the Northeast. Therefore, retailers will have to devise a strategy for using eminent domain," said Candace Corlett, retail analyst with WSL Strategic nRetail.

"Local communities may oppose Wal-Mart and Target coming to their area but as consumers, they also want to shop at these stores and they complain when they don't have these stores nearby," she said. "The fact is that shoppers ultimately vote with their dollars and retailers are very well aware of that."
 
Right now, my parents are going through an eminent dormain. They have a 5 acre property with a house and a barn. The city of Vancouver, Washington is taking over their property along with the surrounding properties for apartments. Meanwhile, my parents are searching for a new place in a hurry. My mom is 86 y.o. and my dad is 75 y.o., and this has been real hard on them. Also this is the second time in their lives for them to go through this. Before I was born, they had a home taken by eminent dormain for a local airport in Southern California. :tears:
 
Mayflower said:
Right now, my parents are going through an eminent dormain. They have a 5 acre property with a house and a barn. The city of Vancouver, Washington is taking over their property along with the surrounding properties for apartments. Meanwhile, my parents are searching for a new place in a hurry. My mom is 86 y.o. and my dad is 75 y.o., and this has been real hard on them. Also this is the second time in their lives for them to go through this. Before I was born, they had a home taken by eminent dormain for a local airport in Southern California. :tears:

Forcing people out of their homes against their will should be made a felony, period.
 
Too few members has responded to this thread... apparently people are not too concerned about losing their houses to Wal-Mart.
 
Mayflower said:
Meanwhile, my parents are searching for a new place in a hurry. My mom is 86 y.o. and my dad is 75 y.o., and this has been real hard on them. :tears:

If the city wants your folks place that badly, I think that 'reasonable compensentation' isn't enough. I can only imagine how much stuff they've collected over the years. To have to move it all isn't right. The city should pay for movers and ALL the costs for both of them at a seniors' home for the REST of their lives.
 
Scuba,,Were becomming the moscow of the west.Thanks to dorks who cant make intelligent decisions on election day.
 
More fallout

This is another person expressing their frustration with the court's ruling and I agree with her. What's going to happen next?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucgg/20050629/cm_ucgg/supremecourtrulingunderminescherishedamericandream&printer=1;_ylt=A0SOwkvniMJC8IEA5hcBgMIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

SUPREME COURT RULING UNDERMINES CHERISHED AMERICAN DREAM
By Georgie Anne Geyer
Tue Jun 28, 8:06 PM ET

CHICAGO -- For those of us who have worked overseas over the years studying how and why certain countries prosper and develop, while others sink into ever more misery, it soon becomes clear that the percentage of private home ownership is one paramount factor.

The small but progressive Arab and Islamic country of Tunisia in North Africa, for instance, has forged ahead for many reasons of good economic planning and egalitarianism, but in great part because an amazing 80 percent of Tunisians own their own homes. This has always been one of the deepest expressions of civic belonging in a society.

Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., has pioneered one of the best American programs in Russia through his policy of encouraging mortgage programs for Russians to own their own homes or apartments in formerly collectivist Russia. This is a truly revolutionary policy.

Over the years, one of America's great sources of pride has been that it has been the No. 1 inspiration for this dream -- this desire, this obsession -- for so many across the world. "A man's home is his castle" didn't come from Germany, or Nigeria, or Mexico, and surely not the countries of the formerly communist eastern bloc; it came first from Great Britain and then from America. There seemed to be space for everybody in the New World, and, most important, everybody had his right to a piece of land. Property became Everyman's badge of personal dignity.

But after the Supreme Court's strange decision of last week, one has to wonder whether America is going to remain the inspiration to the world in this particular way.

We all know by now that on June 23, in a 5-4 decision written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the court dramatically changed the nation's idea of eminent domain, by which government has the right to condemn private property for public uses, such as railways and utilities. Even though there have been bitter fights over this public aspect of forced land acquisitions -- take the 1960s struggle here in Chicago over the public acquisition of the Near South Side for the University of Illinois -- those conflicts at least had "public benefit" written all over them.

But this new ruling -- which in addition makes little sense in terms of the ideological positioning of the justices -- has turned this historical understanding on its head. Now the court has ruled that governments may condemn a person's private property, paying him or her a "fair price" for it, as part of a broader economic redevelopment plan to revitalize a distressed community.

Message: It is no longer unconstitutional to have the government engage private contractors, paying them royally, to build parking lots, hotels and shopping malls by condemning your property and leaving you to your own fate.

But, of course, the justices ruled, you will receive "fair compensation," while the municipalities shuffle in the additional tax revenues like a blackjack dealer in Vegas.


Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, "fair compensation" is impossible to achieve. There is no way you can be compensated for the rose garden your grandmother planted; no way to acknowledge financially all the special additions to the kitchen, the apartment you built in the basement for the in-laws, or the marble bathroom. You'll get only the tax assessment for the house, and those folks don't read Architectural Digest or Home and Garden.

Example: A dear friend of mine, 77, has a beautiful Lake Shore Drive apartment here in Chicago with exquisite woodwork throughout that would cost a small fortune if replicated today -- and would increase immeasurably the value of the apartment if sold on the market. My friend recently got a reverse mortgage. But a reverse mortgage, like eminent domain, does not take into account art, spirit, memories, or even of what a piece of property is really worth on the "free market." My friend was offered, legally, a reverse mortgage based on $275,000 of his $400,000 apartment. That's the way it is.

Or take case after case that we have had here in Chicago. We lost the great Oriental Theater to a squalid parking lot. The wealthiest, and sometimes the most arrogantly showy of their wealth, are often the Chicago real estate developers who made fortunes here in the '90s. This new decision will give them the right to tear down just about anything they want -- all in league with a Chicago City Hall whose corruption in handing out contracts is legendary.

When, occasionally, public development really does take place, as it did in the South Loop, it almost seems like an accident. Far more often is what happened here in the early '60s when those same city planners that the Supreme Court seems to have such faith in completely demolished the vivid and working black community of Bronzeville on the South Side and gave us miles of ugly high-rises, the disastrous Robert Taylor Homes for the poorest of the poor, along the Dan Ryan Expressway.

They are now busy taking down these and all the other "public housing" built out of their hubris and greed. But Bronzeville is gone forever.

Meanwhile, one goes beyond wondering why nobody seems to learn from history; one has to wonder at the strange makeup of the votes for this attack on private property by the Supreme Court.

It was the more liberal members of the court -- Justices Stevens, Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer -- who voted to give cities such extraordinary power to bulldoze homes in order to generate tax revenues. It was the most conservative justices -- William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas -- who joined Sandra Day O'Connor in her stirring dissenting opinion.

Memorably, this remarkable woman wrote: "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private property, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms.

"As for the victims, the government now has license to transfer property from those with fewer resources to those with more. The founders cannot have intended this perverse result."

This fight is now likely to move to states and localities, which are within their rights to pass additional laws. Clarifications of why the court liberals should have voted for such an appalling attack on the citizen homeowner are yet to come. This fight is only beginning.

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