Starbucks sued for refusing to Serve the Deaf

During my experience, I find thing that bother me that most deaf goes to Starbucks for deaf social. They don't even pay anything but free water. That may affect how staffs feel about them and decide to not service them anymore.

And Jiro, I made the point with committees that DPHH that not everybody aren't professional and Happy hours is on after lunch where people get drinking/drunk. That's pretty bad misled. I always wonder who invent like that title. lol
 
PowerON said:
During my experience, I find thing that bother me that most deaf goes to Starbucks for deaf social. They don't even pay anything but free water. That may affect how staffs feel about them and decide to not service them anymore.

And Jiro, I made the point with committees that DPHH that not everybody aren't professional and Happy hours is on after lunch where people get drinking/drunk. That's pretty bad misled. I always wonder who invent like that title. lol
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Viable owns the "DPHH" name, I believe.
 
Jiro said:
Viable owns the "DPHH" name, I believe.
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Hmmmm, really? Seems to me it is just a term and not something that belongs to someone. There are many DPHH's all across the country.......
 
I know. It got silly. We had DPHH here too in Minneapolis, and that went away because they got mad over the name. Someone took the liberty to create a new Deaf Night Out group (not exactly calling it DNO but close to it) so that has replaced DPHH.
 
One thing I don't understand is why they argue and argue?...It's all for fun and something to do with other deafies...I remember once when I was invited and it was held at a Church....(at night)...and the guys were playing Poker and drinking beer...:shock:...some of the people complained and were told to get out if they didn't like it and laughing over it.....

I can see a group at someone's house, playing poker and drinking...but at a Church?...Anyway, I don't attend anymore...:roll:...I'd rather have deafies over for chat, snacks and convo....than a group of unruly, drinking, poker players that tell dirty jokes (obscene) in front of people, sexual explicit, mostly....
 
PowerON said:
During my experience, I find thing that bother me that most deaf goes to Starbucks for deaf social. They don't even pay anything but free water. That may affect how staffs feel about them and decide to not service them anymore.
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So that's why they got the letter from Starbucks saying that it doesn't serve deaf people. However, it's bad because it means that Starbucks doesn't serve deaf people anytime. It should say that Starbucks doesn't welcome a group of deaf people who socialize at that location on Fri nites or whenever.
 
rockin'robin said:
One thing I don't understand is why they argue and argue?...It's all for fun and something to do with other deafies...I remember once when I was invited and it was held at a Church....(at night)...and the guys were playing Poker and drinking beer...:shock:...some of the people complained and were told to get out if they didn't like it and laughing over it.....
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I agree about it being for fun and for other deafies. The DNO host picks a bar around the twin cities (yes, this does limit to being over 21) and everybody who wants to go, goes. There's sometimes a cover charge, pay it if you plan to go! And pay for your drinks as you go. The bars around here have not seemed to mind this set-up. It's gotten VERY popular - we even get people asking ahead, "when, when, when, where, where, where ???? " :lol: (even though it's always the 3rd Saturday. So the question really should be where.
 
Makes me wonder why Starbucks was a problem. What is the big deal about paying $2 for a coffee (a bar tab and cover charge will cost far more than that), unless you hate coffee. Then I would say ... don't go. We have biking events, church events, poker events, DNO (bar events), mingo, bbq's, potlucks (the latter mostly sponsored by various smaller deaf groups (like the snowmobile group, the camping group, etc.) so really, around here, there is something for everyone.
 
Yeah I know of 2 groups in Texas that took the "P" out of their title. Dallas changed to DEaf Happy Hour. And Austin changed to Diversity Happy Hour. Not sure if those groups are still around still.
 
Gives me the feeling there needs to be better organizers for these events. We have several Twin Cities Facebook pages set up for this very purpose. Has worked well.
 
AlleyCat said:
Makes me wonder why Starbucks was a problem. What is the big deal about paying $2 for a coffee (a bar tab and cover charge will cost far more than that), unless you hate coffee.
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This is a problem that amazes me, and it's not just deaf people who do it. More than once, I've needed to meet someone (for maybe an hour) an the most convenient place to meet was a coffee shop. I thought the price of a coffee to be a really good deal to have a place to meet. So I go in early (I go everywhere early because being late seems rude and I want to make sure we get a good table) and order a coffee. Then the person I'm meeting shows up, sits down, and starts into whatever business we're meeting for and never buys a drink. And I'm never able to fully focus on whatever that is, because I'm sitting there thinking "what, do you think this is your living room?"

One time I actually had this happen on a date. First date. Last date. The whole time, I'm thinking "any second, he's going to say 'oh, I need to order a coffee, excuse me a minute'" but it never happens. I tolerate the conversation for the time it takes me to finish my coffee, and after the last swallow say "time's up" and walk out the door. If he had no respect for the people trying to run the shop, no reason to think he'd be considerate to me.

Not liking coffee isn't much of an excuse either, because most places have a million other options: tea, juice, water, etc.

I still think community events should be inclusive as far as income (or lack of it) goes. The fact that some people want to get drunk seems like a pretty pathetic factor to base decisions on. (Yeah, sorry, I'm sure that won't be popular. I've just lost - through brutal experience - alot of respect for that segment of any community. I want to say "to each his own" but alot of the time it's not just his own that is affected. Eek. Tangent!) Anyway, I don't even think income level is the only factor with this money problem. I've seen people at (drinking) deaf events blow more money on alcohol in one night than I go through in a month (like total: *all* the money I go through in a month) and the bartender is lucky if they get a buck out of them as far as a tip goes. I don't usually drink, but I always try to leave a good tip, even if I'm just buying bottled water. I can't count how many times at the end of the night my money was the only thing in the tip jar, as far as I could tell. What is it with cheap people?
 
I didn't realize how bad it was right away. Then one time I was at a deaf event and I tried to tip the bartender. He'd given me my change and I tried to push a dollar or two back at him. He looked at me really confused, asking me what else I wanted. I said "for you" and he still seemed lost. Then I tried saying I'm giving this to you (like a gift, using that sign) and he still looked like a deer in headlights. This was an intelligent, generally savvy person and my signing's not *that* bad. Finally I fingerspelled TIP, and his eyes got wide like he finally understands and he's nodding, takes my money, thanks me three times and puts it in the jar. :shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:
 
TXgolfer said:
Yeah I know of 2 groups in Texas that took the "P" out of their title. Dallas changed to DEaf Happy Hour. And Austin changed to Diversity Happy Hour. Not sure if those groups are still around still.
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Both are pretty dead at moment.
 
Tousi said:
Hmmmm, really? Seems to me it is just a term and not something that belongs to someone. There are many DPHH's all across the country.......
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oh ok. maybe I'm wrong but Viable has the copyrights to "NYC-DPHH" which was why we had our own called DNO.
 
rockin'robin said:
One thing I don't understand is why they argue and argue?...It's all for fun and something to do with other deafies...I remember once when I was invited and it was held at a Church....(at night)...and the guys were playing Poker and drinking beer...:shock:...some of the people complained and were told to get out if they didn't like it and laughing over it.....

I can see a group at someone's house, playing poker and drinking...but at a Church?...Anyway, I don't attend anymore...:roll:...I'd rather have deafies over for chat, snacks and convo....than a group of unruly, drinking, poker players that tell dirty jokes (obscene) in front of people, sexual explicit, mostly....
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what happens when you combine booze and couple of people who don't like each other?

:lol:
 
I went out to restaurant with a woman who was deaf last month. Our bill ended up being $33. I asked her to leave $2-3 for tip. She did not leave anything. I wanted to leave a tip, but I felt it was unfair that I had to leave a tip if she was not going to leave a tip. People like that gives bad name. I can imagine that a lot of people are like that.

I've to admit that I've been guilty about going to Starbucks for Deaf events and not ordering anything in the past. Recently, I made an improvement on that. I hope that others do too.

Before suing anyone, why not make it known that EVERYONE that comes have to spend at least $2. It doesn't have to be coffee. It would be muffin or bottled water(not tap) if they would like. If they don't they're not welcomed to be a member of DPHH or whatever you call it.
 
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