Should the legal drinking age change?

[Liebling:-)))]

I´m disagree to have teenage driving legal age 15 and gun legal age 12. I really dont understand government for not increase driving legal and gun legal... because they are too dangerous... No wonder why alot of teenagers killed by drinking driving.

I rather to drive my children to club and pick them up because it´s safe then let them drive with crowd... We won´t let our children to learn driving until they are old enough to respect alochol and vehicle law then..... this is safe.

 

[Cheri]

Liebling,

When you are responding to someone's post, It more clear if you quote each post you are responding to not bold/nor colors because you are confusing me. Thank-you!

 

[Cheri]

I´m disagree to have teenage driving legal age 15 and gun legal age 12. I really dont understand government for not increase driving legal and gun legal... because they are too dangerous... No wonder why alot of teenagers killed by drinking driving.

Who are you speaking to? Legal driving starts at the age of 16, I don't know anything about guns at the age of 12?. It makes no differences Liebling, Teenager can steal a vehicle and drive reckless when they don't have a DL.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I've seen crazy laws went way up high increase Ages..

So Many young ages decide sneak out and drinking awful lot.. and drunk reason why Alocholic beveerages requires 21 or 25 yrs old over.. So they decide avoid wait til..
Want do it now... have good time and drunk!

I know not easy for everyones Parent who didn't pay attention carefully...

Exactly, that´s why we allow our children drink in our house because it´s safe then forbid them anything to make them go wrong path... It could end kill them because they listen wrong crowd to drink heavily....

One time, I've seen One of family who allowed them drink 1 bottle or 1 cup wha..ever.. drink'em.. They'll learn and condiser future will not going crazy drinking more.. If drunk and passed out.. Next day, who child or young teenager will reliazed that drank too much.. Young Teenager will learn their lesson.. reduce drinking..

Very True

My friend told me who went their vacation at Europe.. wow very open mind and allow them drinking turns it out less trouble.. but not allowed driving! Pretty interesting difference cultures compares North America.

Yes, low teenager drinking problems because their parents are open mind to teach them what good or bad alochol is.

I admit I didn't realize that My older son already drank the Beer/Whisky behind our back while were partying.. I spotted the whisky was empty.. and closer my older son's breath.. My god, He already drank it.. Damn him! He already passed out..
Next day, I sat and waited for him get up... *while drinking my coffee* staring my older son.. He asked, What's up mom? I said noth'n say more.. He telling me, I feel sick and not really good.. I said.. Congrats to you.. Have you gone hid from us and found your whisky in your bedroom along w/your friend.. *nodding shake my head* wha.. shame you have done stupid! Learn lesson? He said.. shudd'up to me..
and straighten to restroom.. *barfing* ain't my fault.. his problem..
Few hours later, I offered him.. wanna some drink more whisky? He said... HELL NO WAY.. forget it.. made me sick!.. Good for you.. smarten up! Smell the coffee!
*shrugs*
He ain't near whiskty ever again.. I'm gald he did.. but not sure if he still tempation and visiting his friend's place... No matter what, I keep eye on him *pretend hug him and sniffing his odors*..

Not easy being TEENAGER can be smart their ass!

You remind me of my Granny! Let me tell you story.

That´s time I was 16 years old after left school. I celebrated with my friends for our new life after leave school. I was heavily drunk for a first time - my friends´s parents drove me home & carried me upstair. My Granny was like (that´s what my friend´s parents told me).
Next day I was vomit with severe headache - too weak to get up... hangover... My Granny came to my bedroom and offered me a glass of Gin (she knows I like Gin or Vodka with orange juice) while I was still in the bed & feel sick after smell Gin and saw what Granny hold glass of Gin and got me and told her to get out with Gin and then sick again... Granny left. I have a good sleep all the day until night... I went down and saw Granny and Dad at living room... My Dad asked me "Do you want me to fill Gin for you"... My Dad and Granny and offered me cup of tea... then later we (3) share our laugh... I never forget about that... Your post remind me of my Granny... I laugh... when I look back what I did... I know what it´s terrible hangover... That´s last I haven´t drink heavily ever since... It works... I would do the same as what my Granny did to my children if it happened to my children... See what you did your son... work prefectly...

2. I was heavily drunk again for a second time when I was 23 years old since my last heavily drunk when I was 16 years old. My hubby & I went to Cyprus for 3 weeks holiday one year later after our wedding day. I fall love in homemade Greek white wine... I drank 2 bottle of white wine... - no drunk... until I go outside ............ black out.... Next day... vomit... stomach posion... keep vomit vomit vomit... terrible .... I know it´s my FAULT, not alochol because I choose to drink a lot which I KNOW alochol could kill me.

No more hangover ever since I was 23 years old...

Only very light "drunk" during special occassion... and know how limit and enjoy instead of abuse alochol... and heavily drunk...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling,

When you are responding to someone's post, It more clear if you quote each post you are responding to not bold/nor colors because you are confusing me. Thank-you!

light blue is my post... black is their post... I thought it save people confuse?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Who are you speaking to? Legal driving starts at the age of 16, I don't know anything about guns at the age of 12?. It makes no differences Liebling, Teenager can steal a vehicle and drive reckless when they don't have a DL.

Steal vehicle? How could they learn when they didn´t know how to drive?

Nobody teach teenagers how to drive until they are 18 years old and legal. It look like that they learn how to drive already that´s why they steal vehicle.. Right?

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Counter-Argument: Federal agents suggest pointing out that people can obtain a hunting license at age 12 and a driver’s license at age 16. Ironically, this actually strengthens the argument against treating legal adults as children with regard to alcohol beverages. People can hunt wildlife with a deadly weapon at age 12 but can be trusted with a beer at age 20?

I found those link and add my response post to sweetheart.

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=436043&postcount=89


I can´t remember which threads over teen driving somewhere here... saying that driving legal age 15 in different states... but some 16... I will add the link when I find threads... I think it´s Texas.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Nobody is so perfect....

Any kid can order beer via Internet with their credit cards.

Interesting, the underage children are allow to have credit cards? Right?

Any kid can brew their own homemade beer. That reminds me of Apeman. How is your brewing liquid from the toilet?

wow, interesting... I didn´t know that the kids can brew their own homemade beer...

I am sure that you drank beer at underage. I bet you dont admit....

Yes, I admit I did... Check my response post on GalaxyAngel´s post...

It is better to let parents monitering their kids with beer and share the

wisdom to ensure that they can not drink too much.

True, that´s why I did with my children is safe.

Off-Topic, Yeah, I used to hunt with rifle when I was almost 12 years old.

 

[Cheri]

Steal vehicle? How could they learn when they didn´t know how to drive?

Nobody teach teenagers how to drive until they are 18 years old and legal. It look like that they learn how to drive already that´s why they steal vehicle.. Right?

You have no idea what you talking about, Legal age is 16! in some states not 18. Some states are 18. Get it right, Number two, You live in Germany What do you know about America? Yes, they do steal vehicles they dont' have to learn, they can learned from parents or friends by watching them drive, Ever watched Cops on TV? Ever heard on the news? Well in America it had happened.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I have the passion in respect the action and consequences behind the action. If you do something wrong, expect the negative consequences. If one of my kids gets in trouble with law, I will NOT bail them out UNLESS they can prove me they are innocent.

Yes, you doing right... I would do the same if my children break the law...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You have no idea what you talking about, Legal age is 16! in some states not 18. Some states are 18. Get it right, Number two, You live in Germany What do you know about America? Yes, they do steal vehicles they dont' have to learn, they can learned from parents or friends by watching them drive, Ever watched Cops on TV? Ever heard on the news? Well in America it had happened.

Yes, I remember from any threads somwhere here over teenager driving... I will try to add link tomorrow when I find. They mentioned 15 but I think it´s Texas legal driving age and most is 16 in different states...

Yes, you are right that I know little about America but I am still learning anything from American forums, my American co-workers and American websites, TV news, which I´m interesting.

Yes, I remember Reba mentioned in other threads that the children learned from their parents or friends which legal in your country, not in Germany. I can understand it´s easier for the children to steal because they learn from their friends and parents legally. Here in Germany is illegal for the parents and friends to teach the children.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

When I asked her why she had given her 16 yr old something to drink, she said that she's going to drink anyway and that she feels safer if she gives it to her at home then someone else putting something in her drink. While I don't agree with the method, it's still not my place to judge.

I agree with your friend.

 

[Mookie]

Interesting, the underage children are allow to have credit cards? Right?

Well....of course, they use their own checkcards with credit card logo, aka credit cards, that can use to debit their checking account and have authorization with VISA/Mastercard/Discover

Off-Topic, Yeah, I used to hunt with rifle when I was almost 12 years old.

What...what's matter with you? I grew up in a small town in Kansas and there are lots of deer, pheasants and ducks in open range area/farms where Kansas State of Wildlife and Fish authorizes for opening hunting season. Nothing wrong with kids hunting? Don't you remember that in old time that any kid could hunt for food and clothing in the age of million years? What is the big deal if anybody can fish but not hunt with rifle? If any kid catches, skins (cleans out the guts) and eats the fish, what's wrong with hunting the mammals?

Of course, I passed the hunting safety course.....

What is harmful to the kids hunting rather. They only go about 5-10 days a year. It sound very reasonable safety much better than drinking often....

 

[deafclimber]

Yes, I remember Reba mentioned in other threads that the children learned from their parents or friends which legal in your country, not in Germany. I can understand it´s easier for the children to steal because they learn from their friends and parents legally. Here in Germany is illegal for the parents and friends to teach the children.

we dont teach the kids how to steal or do something illegally, but yes the kids can learn something from the movies or their friends to do something illegally which they think it is ok to do and we tell the kids big no no. we do teach the kids the values like right and wrong things to do and our experiences.

 

[IslandGal]

Yes, I remember from any threads somwhere here over teenager driving... I will try to add link tomorrow when I find. They mentioned 15 but I think it´s Texas legal driving age and most is 16 in different states...

Yes, you are right that I know little about America but I am still learning anything from American forums, my American co-workers and American websites, TV news, which I´m interesting.

Yes, I remember Reba mentioned in other threads that the children learned from their parents or friends which legal in your country, not in Germany. I can understand it´s easier for the children to steal because they learn from their friends and parents legally. Here in Germany is illegal for the parents and friends to teach the children.

In Texas and most states age 15 is when to get a learners licence but it is at age 16 to get a full drivers licence.

You got it all wrong about us in America teaching our children to do something illegal. We can get arrested for doing that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I think you misunderstand my post. I never say that the parents teach children illegally. I only say that I can understand it´s easier for the children to steal the cars because they know how to drive since they were taught how to drive from their parents or friends because they knows it´s legal in your country.

I only answered Cheri´s post saying that I remember Reba´s post that it´s legal for the parents to teach their children in America which not in Germany and other Europe countries. It´s illegal for the parents to teach children how to drive in Germany... They must go to driving school when they turn 18 years old.

I found the links where the members mentioned in their posts... including driving learner age 14... You should read those links yourself, that´s how I know from them...

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=326212&postcount=11

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=288021&postcount=21

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=288032&postcount=23

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=288195&postcount=28

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=288213&postcount=31

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=288226&postcount=33

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=12911&page=1&pp=20&highlight=teen+driving

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Originally Posted by Sabrina
race, think cool, listen to the radio loud, talking with friends, etc.... Did not focus on the roads.

I had known two high school kids died in the car accident. Went to their funeral. It was horrible painful for rest of this town. It makes me very nervous when the kids were not home after midnight. I could not sleep. I always paged them to find out, where they are now.

I preferred, USA change the new law to getting a driver license when they become 21 years old.

As for Drinking law should be 25 yrs old not 21 yrs old !!!

http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=246637&postcount=28

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=16994&highlight=teen+driving


I agree with Sabrina´s comment...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well....of course, they use their own checkcards with credit card logo, aka credit cards, that can use to debit their checking account and have authorization with VISA/Mastercard/Discover

they are allow to use credit card without parental supersivon? This is a scary. Here in Germany, no... The bank is not allow to offer underage children credit card without parental´s supersivon but debit card.

What...what's matter with you? I grew up in a small town in Kansas and there are lots of deer, pheasants and ducks in open range area/farms where Kansas State of Wildlife and Fish authorizes for opening hunting season. Nothing wrong with kids hunting? Don't you remember that in old time that any kid could hunt for food and clothing in the age of million years? What is the big deal if anybody can fish but not hunt with rifle? If any kid catches, skins (cleans out the guts) and eats the fish, what's wrong with hunting the mammals?

Of course, I passed the hunting safety course.....

What is harmful to the kids hunting rather. They only go about 5-10 days a year. It sound very reasonable safety much better than drinking often....

I can understand where you come from but it´s scary to know that many children die in senseless gun accidents, don´t you know?

Yes, we have hunting club here in my area where I live. They shoot deers, boars, foxes, wild rabbit etc in forest... Accord German law, they are able to join hunting club as membership from 18 years old, not 12 years old.

It´s great that your parents trust your maturity but I teach my children to not kill animals because we are animal lovers. My children are upset when they saw hunter brought dead wild rabbits...



I feel sorry for the children because their parents do not trust them and won´t give them chance to be responsible but consider them as little children, not young adult... The young adult will act immature children because the parents don´t want to see them as young adult.

 

[IslandGal]

I think you misunderstand my post. I never say that the parents teach children illegally. I only say that I can understand it´s easier for the children to steal the cars because they know how to drive since they were taught how to drive from their parents or friends because they knows it´s legal in your country.

I only answered Cheri´s post saying that I remember Reba´s post that it´s legal for the parents to teach their children in America which not in Germany and other Europe countries. It´s illegal for the parents to teach children how to drive in Germany... They must go to driving school when they turn 18 years old.

I found the links where the members mentioned in their posts... including driving learner age 14... You should read those links yourself, that´s how I know from them...

Sorry for misunderstanding your post. You see I was not here when these topics were discussed. I know all about in some states that a 14 year old can drive on a learners licence with an adult supervision. Interesting about it being illegal in Germany for parents to teach their children to drive.
Pssst Liebling, this thread needs to get back to its topic which is about drinking not driving

 

[deafclimber]

now i understand your last statement better. thanks.

 

[Mookie]

Sorry for :topic:

I can understand where you come from but it´s scary to know that many children die in senseless gun accidents, don´t you know?

Yes, we have hunting club here in my area where I live. They shoot deers, boars, foxes, wild rabbit etc in forest... Accord German law, they are able to join hunting club as membership from 18 years old, not 12 years old.

It´s great that your parents trust your maturity but I teach my children to not kill animals because we are animal lovers. My children are upset when they saw hunter brought dead wild rabbits...

I feel sorry for the children because their parents do not trust them and won´t give them chance to be responsible but consider them as little children, not young adult... The young adult will act immature children because the parents don´t want to see them as young adult.

If you live and maintain your farm business, your opinion would be entirely different. Did you know that there are 4-H program that teach young people about farm culture. They already witness the born and death of livestocks. I am sure that they would give up their beloved cow, lamb, chicken, pig, or anothjer "for the big dinner."

Have some Fred the beef.....

RIP: Grandpa the Butcher

Liebling, do your kids know where the beef or poulry come from?

 

[VamPyroX]

I've been drinking since 17 and smoking since 15. Do you see me having a drinking and smoking problem? No. I have good will power. I know how to smoke and drink responsibly. I know how to handle myself.

I just don't understand how people can become alcoholics. In some ways, I think it's their emotional intelligence that's the problem. I recently read about how people who have high emotional intelligence do better than people who have high intelligence.

It's like a dog on a leash. If you keep the dog chained up 24/7 and never let him out, will he return if you suddenly let him go? No. You need to prepare the dog for that. Same with kids. I'm not saying that we should let them drink. I'm saying that we should make sure they are fully aware of drinking and smoking. That way, when they go to college... they know how to control themselves. I've been exposed to smoking and drinking while growing up. So, I'm used to it. I've seen kids who have been kept in the house by their parents all the time. The only time they see drinking and smoking is on television, movies, and magazines. They aren't really taught much of the negative effects or responsibilities with smoking and drinking. So, when they leave the house for college... their leash are suddenly unhooked and they run wild and free. That becomes a problem. A lot of kids here at NTID have drinking and smoking problems. In fact, the drinking problem with deafs are nearly 3 times worse than hearing people. That's not good. What do most of these kids have in common? They grew up while being kept in the house by their parents. Many of them never had a chance to get a job while in high school. Many of them didn't get to go out and have fun with friends. Many of them just stayed home and listened to their parents say "no" a million times a day. After hearing "no" a million times, do you think they are going to listen to us when we say "no" to them in college? Nah!