Same-Sex marriages!!!

[Fly Free]

on the July 7, 2003 issue of NEWSWEEK magazine -- the headline proclaimed IS GAY MARRIAGE NEXT???

In the days after the US Supreme Court's ruling in ref to Lawrence et al v Texas -- this is the next biggest argument since Roe v Wade (1973 ruling in ref to women's rights to an abortion) --

i say WTG!!!! and i AM in support for the gay community to have the SAME rights as the hetrosexuals in marriage, adoptions/child rearing and etc etc along with protection in the workforce, military and such --

this is the full article in the web for the Newsweek's article abt Gay marriages and the Justices on the US Supreme Court

http://www.msnbc.com/news/932621.asp?cp1=1#BODY

 

[Kalista]

Originally posted by Fly Free
on the July 7, 2003 issue of NEWSWEEK magazine -- the headline proclaimed IS GAY MARRIAGE NEXT???

i say WTG!!!! and i AM in support for the gay community to have the SAME rights as the hetrosexuals in marriage, adoptions/child

It is such a bad idea due to the children emotional involve. When a child introduce her/his two Mothers or Fathers to their friends. I feel bad for those children will become emotional and isolate from other children who mock and make fun of them.

It is not normal for two mothers or fathers adopt the child !

I am not against the hetrosexual people. I just concern about those children. Think about it !

~ Sabrina

 

[Freaky]

Re: Re: Same-Sex marriages!!!

Originally posted by Sabrina
It is such a bad idea due to the children emotional involve. When a child introduce her/his two Mothers or Fathers to their friends. I feel bad for those children will become emotional and isolate from other children who mock and make fun of them.


~ Sabrina

Sabrina, you'd be very surprised at how flexible children are at their young age. Children are always curious when they're young and you know what, Sabrina it's their innocence that's amazing these days. It's the innoncence and the acceptance of those young children have for gays and lesbians because they do learn that everyone is different and special in their own ways when you educate them at a young age. When you educate children about issues, they, in turn, educate other children about the issues as well. What a better example to have children educating other children about GLBI issues because the young child sees through the innocent eyes instead of ignorant eyes of the adult. A very good gay/lesbian parent would know not to run out and fill out adoption papers unless he/she has discussed this thoroughly with his/her partner and prepare themselves for the events that will happen in the future.

 

[Fly Free]

Re: Re: Same-Sex marriages!!!

Originally posted by Sabrina
It is such a bad idea due to the children emotional involve. When a child introduce her/his two Mothers or Fathers to their friends. I feel bad for those children will become emotional and isolate from other children who mock and make fun of them.

It is not normal for two mothers or fathers adopt the child !

I am not against the hetrosexual people. I just concern about those children. Think about it !

~ Sabrina

Sabrina -- ur saying "I am not against the hetrosexual people." is contradictory --

now in ref to child rearing -- here is the link provided for u to review -- its a study that was done and has been published Feb 2002 (the most recent published study i could find) and its been found that the kids raised by same sex parents enters adulthood just fine

http://www.aap.org/policy/020008t.html

Freaky -- u do indeed have a point abt the kids being flexiable and adaptive and would in turn educate their peers -- the same general discussion would apply with the interracial relationships in hetrosexual marriages and many other issues

 

[Oddball]

Hello, Aders.. Anyway, I am in support for Gay Marriages cuz they do want to recieve same benefits as heteorsexual married couple do.

I recalled that Rosie O'Donnell introduced gay couple who denied for adopting a few kids cuz of Fla's laws. Look at million of kids in US (and other countries) are ophrans (sp), unwanted, or embarrassment. They do need parents since no one want them. I consider that it is unfair for gay parents to be denied for adoptions.

Believe it or not... the gay parents are better at parenting than heteorsexual parents in GENERAL. Of course, children are more accepting of their gay parents despite that they may get taunts from their peers and the like.


Gay couple do want the same rights cuz they have long way to go.

 

[Kalista]

I have heterosexual friends who adopted the children. Those children have trauma emotional because they do not have any many friends like other normal parents. They ran away and drop out of school. Their friends see their same sex parents’ hugs and kiss each other confront of their friends. They giggled and mock those children. Their daughter was attempted to suicide herself and into mental health center.

I believe you, Freaky. Nowadays, there are more educational and open minds to young children knowledge about gay society. The moral becomes more complication for those children who have the same sex parents.

From my perspective, it is not good idea for those innocence children adopt by same sex parents due to their trauma emotional. I have many good heterosexual friends. I have no against their happiness and love each other. My point is about the children’s friends, school, church, community, etc…. They do not deserve into emotional by their friends mock them.

I do not support the same sex parents adopt the children. I do believe, they would be a good parents but think about those children at their schools, friends, etc... They do not deserve it!

~ Sabrina

 

[kuifje75]

Sabrina: heterosexual means straight. homosexual means gay. Get your wording right.

My sister had a girlfriend for 7 years, and the girlfriend had 2 children. The first is a daughter, and the second is a son. Both of the children accepted my sister readily, and had no problems with having two mothers. Even though my sister broke up with the girlfriend two years ago, we all were still invited to the girl's wedding this past April. The ex-girlfriend's family was so happy to see my sister at the wedding and talked with her a lot. The son comes over to my sister's house sometimes to visit, and he just graduated from high school. It is really a good relationship/bond with both kids.

Now, my sister is with another woman. The woman has two children, a teenager daughter and a young son. They accept my sister pretty well. They came here yesterday for the 4th of July barbecue party, and they ended up learning sign language from me. They really wanted to learn sign language, so I gave them "Signing for Kids" book so that they could practise at home. The new girlfriend is really a nice woman, I like her.

I do support same sex parents having children and having same rights as heterosexual couples. There will always be ignorant people out in the world. Sabrina, there are people who believe that deaf people should not be parents, and children who makes fun of kids' deaf parents. Does that mean that Deaf parents should never have any kids anymore, just for the sake of saving kids from embarassment in schools, friends, etc? I think not. Same goes for same-sex parents.

 

[javapride]

I Just finished reading the newsweek article via internet thanks to fly free,

IM SOO IMPRESSED that this is actually coming on full force, as far as im concerned


I have several friends who have kids and thier a lesbain and any typiucal teenager u see would do rebellion things just to upstand one another its all cuz they themselves are ingorant and the child(ren) who has same sex parents know they are still loved all the same, similar to having a father and a mother, ofc they will ofc have a male role figure someone whos close to them or a reverend or someone who grew up with them throughout life and knows exactly what it is like maybe a mother who recently divorced thier father to be with the women they love they know fathers will have to accept and support cuz its all abt love and education nothing is wrong with that

sabrina, the kids i know they graduated with high honors and a scholorship for thier futhering education and whats more, my long time friend of 29 yrs has a son whos got a father thats gay and he's OK with it, and u know what he did, he brought his dad to school to educate the kids abt AIDS virus and the difference with gays and lesbain and how we are not a COOTIE! ITS ALL ABT EDUCATION AND LOVE and im suprised ur not supportive of that! cuz u have been seen to play and tease the gays and lesbain but do an abt face on us when it comes to kids, ALL the kids needs to know is they still have support from thier family from ALL WALKS OF LIFE!


u know what life is still a school and we re still in school for that for the rest of our lives....

 

[CatoCooper13]

Originally posted by Fly Free
on the July 7, 2003 issue of NEWSWEEK magazine -- the headline proclaimed IS GAY MARRIAGE NEXT???

In the days after the US Supreme Court's ruling in ref to Lawrence et al v Texas -- this is the next biggest argument since Roe v Wade (1973 ruling in ref to women's rights to an abortion) --

i say WTG!!!! and i AM in support for the gay community to have the SAME rights as the hetrosexuals in marriage, adoptions/child rearing and etc etc along with protection in the workforce, military and such --

this is the full article in the web for the Newsweek's article abt Gay marriages and the Justices on the US Supreme Court

http://www.msnbc.com/news/932621.asp?cp1=1#BODY

Way to go...I have quite a few gay friends and they've raised kids -- the kids are well-adjusted and happy in the home evironment and they don't seem to mind having either 2 mothers or 2 fathers.
I see nothing wrong with gay and lesbians getting married. I feel that's great because they need the same benefits as hetros receive.

Altho I'm hetro, still I love my mates who are gay/lesbians. I was confused about my sexuality at one point years ago and was bi-curious for a while. I found women very soft and easy to talk with when needing a sounding board when having trouble, etc.

I've voted yes.

Goldie

 

[Kalista]

kuifje75

heterosexual means straight. homosexual means gay. Get your wording right.

Ooops, Sorry - Thanks for remind me. I sometime confuse with that terminology. *blushing*

a father thats gay and he's OK with it, and u know what he did, he brought his dad to school to educate the kids abt AIDS virus and the difference with gays and lesbain and how we are not a COOTIE! ITS ALL ABT EDUCATION AND LOVE and im suprised ur not supportive of that!

That is wonderful to education those kids about AIDS/HIV. The reason why I do not support gay parents adopt children. I did not want the children think that gay are normal. Do not get me a wrong idea for prejudice gay people. I do have many good friends who are gay. My point about the children look up at the gay parents which are not normal for them to live with them.

I'm hetro, still I love my mates who are gay/lesbians. I was confused about my sexuality at one point years ago and was bi-curious for a while. I found women very soft and easy to talk with when needing a sounding board when having trouble, etc

I can understand how you feel. I have seen many men who are not treated those ladies properly. I have heard alot about women's feelings. I learned alot at the workshop last week. Some men did not give those women satisfactory in sex. They just think of themselves. Sometime shelfish.

I have NO against gay people !!

Sabrina

 

[Freaky]

Originally posted by Sabrina
That is wonderful to education those kids about AIDS/HIV. The reason why I do not support gay parents adopt children. I did not want the children think that gay are normal. Do not get me a wrong idea for prejudice gay people. I do have many good friends who are gay. My point about the children look up at the gay parents which are not normal for them to live with them.

Sabrina

Have you been raised by gay or lesbian parents? Have you asked any children who have gay or lesbian parents what it is like to be raised by them? What is normal, Sabrina?!

Originally posted by Sabrina

I have NO against gay people !!

Sabrina

If you exclaim to have nothing against gay people then why do you say that it's not normal for gay parents to adopt children?! Sabrina, how would you feel if someone told you it's not normal for you to have children because you were a Deaf person and you weren't supposed to have children. How would you react to that if a doctor told you to stop breeding babies in order to stop the Deaf population? You'd be enraged, wouldn't you Sabrina? Now imagine how those gay and lesbian people feel, they have rights just as much as we do.

 

[kuifje75]

Thanks Freaky for clarifying my point about Deaf parenting and their rights to have kids.

 

[Mizzou]

I voted and I had that magazine. I had read and had some of tape about same marriage on PrimeTime in 4 or 5 years ago. I seen lot of ppl are trying to fight to get that RIGHT to marry. I do suppose about gay ppl and their wish.

 

[VamPyroX]

I voted, "I don't care." Why? Because I don't really care. If two people are in love, then they can love each other. Marriage doesn't really mean much to me at this time. Two can love each other without getting married. Some people may not like my opinion but hey, that's MY opinion. I applaud those who do actually get married. I'm not going to say that I'm for it, nor will I say that I'm against it... because either way, the couple loves each other and that is all that matters to me.

 

[CatoCooper13]

Originally posted by VamPyroX
I voted, "I don't care." Why? Because I don't really care. If two people are in love, then they can love each other. Marriage doesn't really mean much to me at this time. Two can love each other without getting married. Some people may not like my opinion but hey, that's MY opinion. I applaud those who do actually get married. I'm not going to say that I'm for it, nor will I say that I'm against it... because either way, the couple loves each other and that is all that matters to me.

Like I said in my other posts, everyone has the right to voice their opinions.

I say way to go for gay/lesbian marriage cos it's about time everyone's recognised that it's a loving relationship between 2 people, regardless the sex.

Goldie

 

[Kalista]

Freaky

how would you feel if someone told you it's not normal for you to have children because you were a Deaf person and you weren't supposed to have children. How would you react to that if a doctor told you to stop breeding babies in order to stop the Deaf population? You'd be enraged, wouldn't you Sabrina? Now imagine how those gay and lesbian people feel, they have rights just as much as we do.

How could you allow those children look up their same sex parents kiss or hug each other confront of their friends? What would their friends do? You have no idea, what would those children intolerate mock, make fun of their parents, etc... I have seen my friends who are gay with their children are suffering emotional and isolate.

Oh that is normal for both of two women or men to be their two Moms or Dad?

Deaf, Wheelchair, cp, blind, etc... are the different stories. God makes us to do this. Did God make gay people to be normal ?

I do not support Gay people adopt children! Period !

I am mother of two children. You have no idea what the children have been go through. Freaky ??

Sabrina

 

[kuifje75]

Sabrina - You REALLY have NO idea. What you are saying here is supporting the general mainstream norms and holding to what society expects from people. Hatred is a learned pattern, and humilation is also a learned pattern. If you support the society to tell people that it is wrong, and make the children feel bad about it, then shame on you!

Even though I am not a religious person, God created every one of us and he even created homosexual people. He loves homosexual people despite the fact that they are gay/lesbian. God makes it clear that you should not judge people, because you will be judged in the end by God. "Judge not, for ye will be judged."

Deaf people are NOT NORMAL in the general society's standards. Why do the hearing people constantly make us read lips, learn how to speak and wear hearing aids/cochlear implants? So that we could be changed to be as normal as possible. There ARE some hearing people who WILL think that deaf people should not be allowed to have children or adopt children. In some European countries, they do not allow deaf people to adopt children.

What about homosexual couples who have their own natural children (as opposed to adopted)? Are you saying that these children should be taken away from their same sex parents? Do you think that is less traumatic for the kids to be separated from their real parents and be placed in the State's care?

If you are concerned for kids being "normal," (I had to quote that, because normal is a rather subjective word) look at my post above where I mentioned my sister's ex-girlfriend and her two children. Her daughter is married and straight. Her son is dating a girlfriend, so that makes him straight. My sister's current girlfriend, her daughter is boy-crazy. So, there is nothing to say that having same-sex parents would make them become homosexual as well. If they look up to their parents, then maybe it is because they realise that the parents are not judging other people and accepting life to its fullest. Or even maybe because they are awesome parents who give them a lot of love and attention.

Really, you should meet more gay and lesbian parents and learn something. Don't just base your judgement on one or two cases.

 

[Fly Free]

ive sat back quietly lurking in this thread and listening to ur arguments --

i agree what Kuifje has said and same with Freaky and they both have valid points Sabrina -- what if we had natural children of our own and u would have no say -- i know alot of gay and lesbian couples who are raising children of their own or have adopted them and are raising and the children are doing just fine and being raised in an enviroment that arent judgemental on society's perceptions and etc

 

[SilenceGold]

Well, I have been sitting back the entire time...I do see where Sabrina stands.

Society is constantly changing. It used to be embarrassing to have a single parent, whom went through a divorce. Right now, that is common. The society has accepted it.

I do recall stories of my grandparents telling me how it's not polite to discuss about sex (jeez I was married and tried to discuss with few of my uncles who were pulling on my leg about sex). Both of my grandparents did not accept how the society has became more open minded.

There are still many people who are around me that might not feel comfortable around those types of people who are "crazy" or "went through evolution" such as tongue pierced, full body tattoos, homosexuality, and so on. I just respect everyone's views as much as possible.

Maybe in 50 yrs....there would still be few people who would refuse to accept homosexuality in their society. :p

 

[BabyPhat21]

Hell yeah I vote for same sex marriage, as some may remember my post earlier in another thread but I was very upset when Cali my state voted no for gay marriage!!! now I am us citizen, I will be sure to vote YES. freedom for homosexuals to get married, to me it is the same as the previous no blacks can marry whites, no blacks can marry each other, no asians can marry whites, etc. it is still discrimination for rights and to be happy together!!!