Rethinking Thanksgiving

deafwelder said:
Jews are slaughtering palestinians. They are native to Gaza aren't they?
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The Jewish people got bombed first and they defending their self right now! What the Hell would you do if someone was throwing bombs at your house , invite them in and have a thanksgiving meal?? So you think it is OK for people to be killed if they're not native of a country or a town? I will have to remind myself to not go to your state.
 
dogmom said:
:wave:shalom, whatdidyousay!


the history of First Peoples in the U.S. is one of great tragedy. Countless losses due to racism and manifest destiny, hidden in the name of "progress". I do not forget this.

here is a link I went to today: United American Indians of New England Commemorate a National Day of Mourning on Thanksgiving - ICTMN.com

has story of Day of Mourning and news footage from last year's event on bottom - captions were working while I had them on-
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shalom, to you too dogmom!
 
whatdidyousay! said:
The Jewish people got bombed first and they defending their self right now! What the Hell would you do if someone was throwing bombs at your house , invite them in and have a thanksgiving meal?? So you think it is OK for people to be killed if they're not native of a country or a town? I will have to remind myself to not go to your state.
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100%right
 
Not surprise of dark and shadowy history. There are so much that we do not know yet.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I was not blaming the every Pilgrims , I am blaming the government for allowing the Native Americans for treated the way their where.
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I wasn't addressing anyone directly with my post. It was generally about the video.

If you are referring to the American government, obviously that was established long after the Pilgrims arrived.

The Native Americans has history keepers and they passed down the history of their people. Do want to know what happen to the Native Americans women , they where raped, then killed and their vaginas were cut out and wore as 'hats' by Christopher Columbus men!
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Columbus and the Pilgrims are two separate groups of people from two different times. Columbus wasn't part of the thanksgiving celebration.

I am talking about what happen AFTER that first Thanksgiving dinner.
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OK. I'm discussing Thanksgiving because that's the topic of this thread.

The picture you're talking is nothing but propaganda the government is using to lies to people about how they really treated the Native Americans.
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The video brought it up, not me. I was merely commenting on what they said in the video.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I was not blaming the every Pilgrims , I am blaming the government for allowing the Native Americans for treated the way their where. The Native Americans has history keepers and they passed down the history of their people. Do want to know what happen to the Native Americans women , they where raped, then killed and their vaginas were cut out and wore as 'hats' by Christopher Columbus men! I am talking about what happen AFTER that first Thanksgiving dinner. The picture you're talking is nothing but
propaganda the government is using to lies to people about how they really treated the Native Americans.
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Point out of something, for the sake of being fair.

Natives have both "bad" and "good" sides; some native american tribes killed each other, rape other natives, stealing their stuff, and so on. Think of Mayan and other similar tribes for one explain. You keep saying how much innocent natives are, yet you completely ignore what dark history Native Americans and their tribes had.

What about Pilgrims actually had done something positive? No, you don't care. You're only interested in blaming them for their dark past and your own bitterness.

It gets ridiculous. :roll:
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Point out of something, for the sake of being fair.

Natives have both "bad" and "good" sides; some native american tribes killed each other, rape other natives, stealing their stuff, and so on. Think of Mayan and other similar tribes for one explain. You keep saying how much innocent natives are, yet you completely ignore what dark history Native Americans and their tribes had.

What about Pilgrims actually had done something positive? No, you don't care. You're only interested in blaming them for their dark past and your own bitterness.

It gets ridiculous. :roll:
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I thought we where not allowed to post and comments about religion and you have up a one about religion that flashing . That should be removed!
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I thought we where not allowed to post and comments about religion and you have up a one about religion that flashing . That should be removed!
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Signatures are not posts. Signatures are allowed. Alex explained that before.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Point out of something, for the sake of being fair.

Natives have both "bad" and "good" sides; some native american tribes killed each other, rape other natives, stealing their stuff, and so on. Think of Mayan and other similar tribes for one explain. You keep saying how much innocent natives are, yet you completely ignore what dark history Native Americans and their tribes had.

What about Pilgrims actually had done something positive? No, you don't care. You're only interested in blaming them for their dark past and your own bitterness.

It gets ridiculous. :roll:
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I agree with you that there may be good or bad on their sides. But you don't know what is happening to the Mayan people and even in the North America Natives who had to suffered under them when they came over.

They were looking for gold and wanted to take lands away from them for their own selfish wants. They are not respecting us for our friendship and greeting with open arms. They like Columbus and his men have no regard for our humanity as the Native people have a right to live here as much as anyone who wanted to come over but they should have gone back to wherever they came from if they are not showing any respect for us. It was just like the immigration to tell people that they have no right to control over us like that to abused and to murdered us for no reason at all. Europeans are more barbaric in true sense of the word all over the world where aboriginal natives had to suffered under them like that. :(
 
Bebonang said:
I agree with you that there may be good or bad on their sides. But you don't know what is happening to the Mayan people and even in the North America Natives who had to suffered under them when they came over.

They were looking for gold and wanted to take lands away from them for their own selfish wants. They are not respecting us for our friendship and greeting with open arms. They like Columbus and his men have no regard for our humanity as the Native people have a right to live here as much as anyone who wanted to come over but they should have gone back to wherever they came from if they are not showing any respect for us. It was just like the immigration to tell people that they have no right to control over us like that to abused and to murdered us for no reason at all. Europeans are more barbaric in true sense of the word all over the world where aboriginal natives had to suffered under them like that. :(
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I think aboriginal natives have problem in Australia and New Zealand that where white settlers took their land.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Wow , I hates Thanksgiving Day and after watching this I really hate it! I have no idea what we're celebrating as we did not plant and harvest the food or hunt or raise the turkey that we'll eat . We went to the store and brought food and we do this all the time. Are we getting so brainwash by the government that we are letting them tell us when to be thankful?
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The holiday has evolved over the centuries just as they all do. This has nothing to do with the government telling us what to do; it's just a nice day set aside with family and friends and remembering to be thankful for the blessings in our life. No one is forcing anyone to be grateful. If you'd rather eat and veg out in front of the TV and be anti-social, no one stops you. Given the hectic lifestyle of the world today, it's nice to pause and spend time with loved ones and appreciate having them in your life.

Laura
 
Lau2046 said:
The holiday has evolved over the centuries just as they all do. This has nothing to do with the government telling us what to do; it's just a nice day set aside with family and friends and remembering to be thankful for the blessings in our life. No one is forcing anyone to be grateful. If you'd rather eat and veg out in front of the TV and be anti-social, no one stops you. Given the hectic lifestyle of the world today, it's nice to pause and spend time with loved ones and appreciate having them in your life.

Laura
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There are many people in the world don't congratulate the thanksgiving due to different culture or tradition, so thanksgiving is pretty limited to North America.
 
Foxrac said:
There are many people in the world don't congratulate the thanksgiving due to different culture or tradition, so thanksgiving is pretty limited to North America.
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It's an American tradition only and it's not celebrated anywhere else in the world, just as not all world holidays are celebrated here. However, some countries have adopted the holiday as being what it is now: a day of thanks with loved ones gathering for a meal. It's really nothing more than that in this century. BTW, Happy Thanksgiving folks....:)

Laura
 
Lau2046 said:
It's an American tradition only and it's not celebrated anywhere else in the world, just as not all world holidays are celebrated here. However, some countries have adopted the holiday as being what it is now: a day of thanks with loved ones gathering for a meal. It's really nothing more than that in this century. BTW, Happy Thanksgiving folks....:)

Laura
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And Canadian tradition too, however Canadians are see as Americans due to North America.

Have a great thanksgiving.
 
I guess I don't understand why adults are arguing about the Sunday school version of Thanksgiving. As adults we know the difference. This is what generally happens when you reach the age of enlightenment.

If people would rather teach children the truth, that differences in people cause fear which can lead to death, that is totally OK. But, I wonder if it would do more harm than good to the children and if that is the society we wish to build, again. After all, those things didn't seem to work out very well by the video's own admission. Right?

Missing from the story, is that the native people from both North and South America were at war with each other respectively and formed alliances with the settlers.

Pequot War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, missing from the video is that slaves of some cultures were sold among themselves by their own people and to Europeans as well.

Slavery among Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Especially missing from the story is the child and prisoner sacrifices offered to the gods of some native cultures which was frowned upon by settlers.

Aztec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, if you want to children to know the truth then perhaps it should be the whole truth, slavery and genocide is not native to Europeans any more than murder, rape and child abuse.

Does anyone actually think that the native America's was some Disneyland free from the problems of all societies? Does anyone actually think there were not wars there?

So again, I would argue that it is important that we teach our children NOT to repeat the past and show them that people do get along. Because the problem of arguing right and wrong, after the fact, is that nobody is without fault. And, that makes it kind of problematic.
 
Bebonang said:
Europeans are more barbaric in true sense of the word all over the world where aboriginal natives had to suffered under them like that. :(
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Karrissma... Read that again, what Bebonang had to say... There was even a time when the whites lived like the natives of the Americas, only two thousand years ago and before that, when people in what is called Europe today still lived in a tribal state. Before Christianity made them its victims at the hands of the Romans and so on. The Europeans are merely the earliest victims, and because they didn't know how to deal with it or fight back effectively, they ended up turning on others and doing the same thing that was done to them.
 
I have no idea why they teach kids that Thanksgiving is about the Pilgrim and Indians. When Lincoln made it a national Holiday, it didn't have anything to do with the Indians, but about taking time after the harvest to be thankful, for it, family etc etc etc. Holding onto to anger about something that happened how many hundreds of years ago that nobody alive today had anything to with boggles my mind. What good is that doing anyone other than harboring further bitterness and resentment over something that cannot be changed? It makes no sense.
 
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Sheesh! I am not fucking ignorant! I was taught when I was in middle school, and I still remember what both sides of whites and natives had in the past. I'd not fucking forgetten at all.

You can scream all you want. You are no different from people are so easily offended by Christmas and Jesus' birth. ...For every year.

Good riddance.
 
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