Taylor said:
Beowulf, I'm glad that you find the Fifth Amendment right to Due Process amusing. Nobody here is arguing that abuse could not happen. Nobody here is arguing that it is not wrong. We can all agree on that. Any allegation of abuse should be investigated. Because somebody puts a picture on the internet doesn't make it so and that is the problem I have. There are photos of service members who you are openly saying are abusing prisoners. You are telling me that you are against these abuses but you are also saying that US soldiers are not entitled to due process under the law. If it is believed to be taking place, then let it be investigated. A photo can speak a thousand words, but it doesn't necessarily mean the story is being told.
I'm glad you can tell me to 'get over it' and have no proof that it took place. I can show you a photo of a prisoner (here in the US) that is bloody, does it mean the police beat him? I can show you a photo of an abused wife, does it mean she was raped? I can show you a photo of a car accident, does it mean it was a drunk driver?
If US soldiers are beating or abusing their prisoners, then they should have a trial and if guilty, be hung out to try. I have no problem with that. What I'm trying to explain is that a couple of photos of prisoners does not prove they are being beaten by those same soldiers.
I would say
same thing about an american (civilian) who beheaded by iraqi soldiers sometimes ago in the video that which got some americans angry. It is a internet video, yet most people believe it. That beheaded video may be fake as well (actually, it is very, very and very easy thing to do).
Now what are you trying to prove? If it is american who suffer in these photos, some people would curse left and right in their wake and be short-lived cowboys about it (Actually they already did with video so thus proved my point already). One million dollar question: who are hypocrites in these case, seriously? I am not talking about you... I am sure that you know who I am talking about (of course, it is not about Beowulf). It will be great if these people stop being short-lived cowboys for few seconds and think with their brains if they have any. Taylor, you have a excellent point but I wish that cowboys would listen to you because it applied them even more than for us.
Edit: I gotta love these government-controlled medias,
certain people believe in anything what they said nowaday. After all, pavlov and hitler's biggest lie theory does work.
Certain people, congrats for proving these theories, you people rock!
Second Edit: Taylor, I forget to mention one thing about beheaded americans. why does people believe in beheaded americans news? Simply because it is on cnn or foxnews. See where I am going with?
Certain drooling americans will believe in anything what these medias said.
I couldn't find a article wrote by Guardian, it is very good.. The article explained how Bushies think and their psychology. If Bush stand front of million people and shot off a random innocent 8 years old girl's head with a handgun, ate her organs then laughed. On government-controlled medias like CNN & Foxnews, they would spin and spin:
1) That girl was a daughter of terrorist
2) That girl was threatening Bush with her lollipop that she can use as a weapon
3) That girl wore a dress that made in France and it threatened our Democracy
4) Our War President was inspecting the girl's organs to make sure that there isn't any bomb device in her body
5) Our War President laughed from relief that he saved his life from that 8 years old mastermind of terrorists
Which do you believe? Your eyes or media? Believe it or not,
certain party would pick the latter one. Guardian made a very good point.
Now about this:
Taylor said:
I'm glad you can tell me to 'get over it' and have no proof that it took place. I can show you a photo of a prisoner (here in the US) that is bloody, does it mean the police beat him? I can show you a photo of an abused wife, does it mean she was raped? I can show you a photo of a car accident, does it mean it was a drunk driver?
I would say same thing about so-called WMDs. Show me the proof that Iraq actually have WMDs. UN and many countries repeatedly proved that there isn't any. So show me, I don't want the altered Satellite pictures. I don't want the statements by White House since they altered and spinned thousand times. Prove me something else beside these. I must admit that I sometimes don't understand you people. It is ok for America to attack other country based on nonexistent evidences but it is not ok for people to question about military's actions. You people always confused me. Always. (Again, I am not talking about you, Taylor. I am speaking of
certain party). So show me the proof.
Good quote for republicans to read and ponder, I gather that
certain republicans will listen to other republicans for some mysterious reasons so here it is:
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official. The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
--Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican president May 7, 1918
Ok, I am done with my post. I believe I proved my point.
