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what is he trying to do??? Starve us to death? Our deficits are high enough. UGH!!!! RavenSteven, did we vote the wrong man? :(

Bush to Seek $419.3 Billion for Defense

1 hour, 35 minutes ago Top Stories - AP
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) will ask Congress for $419.3 billion for the Pentagon (news - web sites) for next year, 4.8 percent more than this year's spending, as the administration seeks to beef up and reshape the Army and Marine Corps for fighting terrorism.

The request will not include money for wars in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites). Congress already has appropriated $25 billion for those wars this year, and the White House is planning to request another $80 billion soon.

The president plans to roll out his military spending proposal Monday as part of a roughly $2.5 trillion federal budget. But documents obtained by The Associated Press on Friday show that he will request $19.2 billion more for the Defense Department than its $400.1 billion budget this year.

However, his request is $3.4 billion below the $422.7 billion the Pentagon estimated in January that it would need for next year.

The proposal will include restructuring and expanding the Army and adding combat and support units for the Marine Corps. It reflects Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's efforts to transform the Cold War-style military into one that's more rapidly deployable to fight terrorist groups.

Under Bush's plan, defense spending would grow gradually, hitting $502.3 billion by 2011.

The proposal, according to one of the documents, supports the war on terrorism by "strengthening U.S. defense capabilities and keeping U.S. forces combat ready. It continues to implement lessons learned from ongoing operations in the war."

Those include, according to the proposal, "the need for flexible and adaptable joint military, strong special operations forces, highly responsive logistics and the best possible intelligence and communications capabilities."

The plan calls for special operations forces, which the documents described as "critical to the fight against terrorism," to add 1,200 troops. The forces would get $50 million to keep people from leaving the services.

The president also wants Congress to let him spend $750 million as he chooses to help Iraq, Afghanistan and U.S. allies opposing terrorism bolster their military and security forces. In the past, lawmakers have been reluctant to give Bush unfettered control of such funds but have generally complied.

On Thursday, Missouri Rep. Ike Skelton (news, bio, voting record) — ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee — said in a statement that he worried that the president's budget request, which he anticipated would be billions less than the Pentagon had predicted needing, "may weaken our efforts" in Iraq and Afghanistan "while undermining our ability to prepare for future conflicts."

Overall, the president's proposal calls for the Navy, Marines and Air Force to all receive extra funds next year, but the Army's budget would take a $300 million reduction to $100 billion even though it's bearing the brunt of the costs and fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the $80 billion Bush plans to request in the coming days for Iraq and Afghanistan is expected to be tilted heavily toward the Army.

Bush plans to propose $1.6 billion to fight chemical and biological threats next year and $9.9 billion over the next five years. And, he would allocate $9.5 billion for homeland security activities next year and $147.8 billion for training, maintenance and other "readiness" programs.

Despite the overall military increase, the Pentagon's account for purchasing new weapons would actually incur a $100 million cut next year to $78 billion. The proposal underscores how huge federal deficits are affecting even the Defense Department, long one of Bush's top priorities.

The president, according to the documents, will seek $8.8 billion for its missile defense program, compared with $9.9 billion this year. The documents also showed that he would ask for $695.7 million for the Chinook helicopter for next year, compared with $869.8 million for this year. And, the B-2 stealth bomber would get $344.3 million, down from $365 million this year.

More than half the total defense increase — $10.8 billion — would be for training, maintenance and other costs associated with keeping the military ready for action. Most of the rest would go for military salaries and construction of bases and housing.

The proposal calls for increasing military base salaries by 3.1 percent and civilian salaries by 2.3 percent. It also calls for giving troops more money for housing and giving reservists better health care coverage and additional education benefits.

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I don't want to say "I told you so"

But I did anyway.
 
a billion here, a billion there and it really adds up to one very expensive mess.......
 
I think I just soiled my pants.
 
No i didnt vote for the wrong man. If kerry was president Al Queda would been celebrating and america would be attacked again. Cause kerry is like Bill Clinton. He would turned the other cheek if al queda attacked us. I rather have 419 billion spent on the war instead 419 spent on welfare. GET A JOB!!
 
Do you realize that those young men and women over there, and here in the states in the armed forces are on food stamps because their income is so low? O.K., he asked for a lot, but it is a part of the budget chess game. If you need a hundred dollars to improve things, you ask for two hundred and fifty. You give up the fifty as a concession. Another fifty gets whacked in comittee. And another twentyfive to fifty in general session. And you wind up with what you need.
 
Codger, there is a simple solution to that really... stop the war and pull the troops. Or he shouldn't start the war in first place anyway.

but now I have to waste my taxes on that retarded budget.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
No i didnt vote for the wrong man. If kerry was president Al Queda would been celebrating and america would be attacked again. Cause kerry is like Bill Clinton. He would turned the other cheek if al queda attacked us. I rather have 419 billion spent on the war instead 419 spent on welfare. GET A JOB!!

fine I will get a job!!!!
 
Magatsu the arabs should have thought about that before ramming 2 747s into the WTC on 9-11. Just like the japs should have thought about it before attacking peral harbor on dec 7th 1941.
If youre a cop Would you let a shoplifter go after she said im sorry and she was crying? Well a cop will say should have thought about that before you shoplifted youre going to jail. So if cops dont let shoplifters off the hook why should we let arabs off the hook?
 
Get real, Stevorino, our own people set up 911.

It is hardly surprising that Bush is "asking" for more moolah for his oil buddies.
The Pentagon cannot account for ONE TRILLION dollars missing since 2003.
I have a pretty good idea where it went, though.
 
Beowulf you read and watch way too much michael moore properganda crap.
 
beowulf, let him raving. that's all he can do really. He tend to contradict himself without our efforts.
 
Lol! It WOULD be depressing if it were real money! OOPS! Beowolf, see what you made me do? Next you'll make me talk about the fiat currency printed on bonds sold to the Chinese! DANG!!!! :slap:
 
Lol, Codger.
Ooga booga, ooga booga.
 
Magatsu said:
I don't want to say "I told you so"

But I did anyway.


LOL! I was thinking the same, "I told you so Bushlovers suckers" :mrgreen:
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Where you live Miss P?

Mississippi... out in the country... I don't think I can get a job
here with all these cows out here.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
No i didnt vote for the wrong man. If kerry was president Al Queda would been celebrating and america would be attacked again. Cause kerry is like Bill Clinton. He would turned the other cheek if al queda attacked us. I rather have 419 billion spent on the war instead 419 spent on welfare. GET A JOB!!


Yep you did voted for the wrong man you got yourself :Owned: go cry a river and jump off the bridge. :giggle:
 
Magatsu said:
Codger, there is a simple solution to that really... stop the war and pull the troops. Or he shouldn't start the war in first place anyway.

but now I have to waste my taxes on that retarded budget.

Re-read the article

The request will not include money for wars in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites).


President Bush (news - web sites) will ask Congress for $419.3 billion for the Pentagon (news - web sites) for next year, 4.8 percent more than this year's spending, as the administration seeks to beef up and reshape the Army and Marine Corps for fighting terrorism.

That type of increase is normal in all aspects of goverments, from local police departments to the department of defense.

The proposal will include restructuring and expanding the Army and adding combat and support units for the Marine Corps. It reflects Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's efforts to transform the Cold War-style military into one that's more rapidly deployable to fight terrorist groups.

A lot of this goes back to the Clinton era. Clinton nearly depleted the U.S military. Clinton saw no use for any type of defense or US military and they were hit hard during his years. A lot of what has been spent in the past few years is to build up what was destroyed. I would love to live in Clintons fantasy where a military is not needed...and we lived in a world of peace. Unfortunately, that world isn't a reality. There was a lot of terrorism during the Clinton era (and prior to Clinton)....we were just lucky it wasn't on US Soil and we don't deal with the daily terrorism that other countries face. It was only a matter of time before it hit US soil and 9/11 would have happened no matter who was in office.

I have never been scared to ride a bus, eat at a pizza parlor, or vote. In reality, these are targets for terrorism and citizens in other countries live in fear of riding the bus or getting a pizza because of suicide bombers. Bush should be commended for fighting to keep it out of our country. Americans didn't worry about terrorism because it was rare that any Americans would have encountered it.

To add what Codger was talking about the budget, the comment was right on. A Sgt in the army gave me a run-down of how her budget worked when she was active (during the Clinton era). They would ask for X number of dollars. They would recieve only a portion of that and some was cut. The kicker was if they found ways to save money, then it would come back to haunt them.

For example, lets say they needed $100,000 (just a rough number), they would get $80,000. So they would find way to cut costs to make the best of their $80,000. So, by cutting back, they were able to operate on their $80,000. Then the next year came around, they would ask for $100,000 again. The higher ups would say you did just fine on $80,000 so this time we'll give you $70,000. So, there budget was cut by even more. The philosophy was ask for $100,000, get $80,000 but spend like you had $100,000 and operate in a deficit. This way, the following year, you would at least get the same budget and not more cuts.

I hope my explanation makes sense. If departments try to be frugal, they suffer for it so it becomes the norm to spend as much as you can while you can.
 
Um, I am not even talking about war... (related to retarded budget)

but I am not feel up to debate about this topic anyway.
 
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