Mall shooting in Omaha

same here!

I am surprised that some malls still dont use metal detectors at the entrances/exits. Malls are a good place to hold a mass killing if you've completely lost your mind think that killing other people is a way of 'going out in style'.

I think it should a be a REQUIREMENT that all mall security officers have the proper training to handle a mass casualty incident and have proper training using firearms, and detaining suspected shoplifters ,etc. But the downside is that most mall security officers have only a GED and they are paid very little. I dont think mall companies should be skimping on safety like that.
 
I think it should a be a REQUIREMENT that all mall security officers have the proper training to handle a mass casualty incident and have proper training using firearms, and detaining suspected shoplifters ,etc. But the downside is that most mall security officers have only a GED and they are paid very little. I dont think mall companies should be skimping on safety like that.

Before the murder of a woman at our mall (Parmatown) in Ohio couple years ago, I don't recalling what year, but she was kidnapped, raped and murdered, there wasn't any securities during that time. That mall had been changed ever since, more securities were added, more outside parking lot cameras were also added.
 
my mall is tighter in this time of year but of course for 365 days of the year but NEVER know when the tragedy will strike.

i am sure each malls need some more guards in and out

it s awful for everyone in neb mall to experience like that
 
Pretty soon we are going to need security and guards everywhere we go. That is not a positive outlook.
 
Oh nooo, not again! *shakehead* :(
I am feeling, so maybe can be happen, that it will be more strict, when People will come thru at Mall and the security would be control of their bag and touch on their body etc... that is not fun.
 
police said a young black man was being sought as the suspected shooter
boy talk about racist! it wasn't a black guy, who was the shooter, but rather a white slacker type. It's really weird.........every time something like this happens it's usually a very psycho loner male. While i can SOMEWHAT understand the anger behind such a crime (need not say that I do not condone it whatsoever), i just can't think about WHY someone would actually DO something like this.
 
Store shootings renew debate on mall security
Store shootings renew debate on mall security - USATODAY.com

State official: Shooter placed in mental health facility 5 years ago
State official: Shooter placed in mental health facility 5 years ago - CNN.com

Omaha gunman freed from centers, homes
Omaha gunman freed from centers, homes - Yahoo! News

Mall gunman: It’s too late
Teenage gunman | Message to friend | 'It's too late' | The Sun |HomePage|News

after shooting at mall and the police says we have plans to set-up for security at mall dues security reasons that why and im sure we have hires security police at mall in Nebraska im hope so!
 
Omaha shooter had history of trouble

OMAHA, Neb. - The young man who killed eight people and committed suicide in a shooting rampage at a department store spent four years in a series of treatment centers, group homes and foster care after threatening to kill his stepmother in 2002.

Finally, in August 2006, social workers, the courts and his father all agreed: It was time for Robert Hawkins to be released — nine months before he turned 19 and would have been required to leave anyway.

The group homes and treatment centers were for youths with substance abuse, mental or behavioral problems.

Altogether, the state spent about $265,000 on Hawkins, officials said.

On Thursday, while some of those who knew Hawkins called the massacre Wednesday at a busy Omaha mall unexpected, not everyone was surprised.

“He should have gotten help, but I think he needed someone to help him and needed someone to be there when in the past he’s said he wanted to kill himself,” said Karissa Fox, who said she knew Hawkins through a friend. “Someone should have listened to him.”

Todd Landry, state director of children and family services, said court records do not show precisely why Hawkins was released. But he said if Hawkins should not have been set free, someone would have raised a red flag.

“It is my opinion, it was not a failure of the system to provide appropriate services,” Landry said. “If that was an issue, any of the participants in the case would have brought that forward.”

Troubled past

Acquaintances said that Hawkins was a drug user and that he had a history of depression. In 2005 and 2006, according to court records, he underwent psychiatric evaluations, the reasons for which Landry would not disclose, citing privacy rules.

In May 2002, he was sent to a treatment center in Waynesville, Mo., after threatening his stepmother. Four months later, a Nebraska court decided Hawkins’ problems were serious enough that he should be under state supervision and made him a ward of the state.

He went through a series of institutions in Nebraska as he progressed through the system: months at a treatment center and group home in Omaha in 2003; time in a foster care program and treatment center in 2004 and 2005; then a felony drug-possession charge later in 2005. Landry said the court records do not identify the drug.

The drug charge was eventually dropped, but he was jailed in 2006 for not performing community service as required.

On Aug. 21, 2006, he was released from state custody.

Under state law, Landry said, wards are released when all sides — parents, courts, social workers — agree it is time for them to go. Once Hawkins was set free, he was entirely on his own. He was no longer under state supervision and was not released into anyone’s custody.

Asked whether the state should have watched over Hawkins after he was released, Peterson said: “When our role is ended, we try to step out.”

Night before attack

Debora Maruca-Kovac, a woman who with her husband took Hawkins into their home because he had no other place to live, told the Omaha World-Herald that the night before the shooting, Hawkins and her sons showed her a semiautomatic rifle.

She said she thought the gun looked too old to work.

Police believe Hawkins was using that AK-47 when he stormed off a third-floor elevator at the store and started shooting.

Omaha shooter had troubled past - Crime & courts - MSNBC.com


My co-worker told me at few minutes ago that Police found 10 rifles in Omaha shooter's apartment. :eek3:

He suffers ill mentally and depression.
 
Did you know that mall security didn't carry guns? I don't know how they could stop a shooter?

Yup but some malls have police station in their mall, such as local polices.
 
Pretty much. Look like I was right, Reba said that they don't carry guns.


I can't say they don't because I don't even know if all mall securites carry real guns, the one at Strongsville does look like it was real to me so I :dunno:
 
Did you know that mall security didn't carry guns? I don't know how they could stop a shooter?


One of our crew at work is a security guard, she said she does carry a real gun to work.

What about bank securities?
 
boy talk about racist! it wasn't a black guy, who was the shooter, but rather a white slacker type. It's really weird.........every time something like this happens it's usually a very psycho loner male. While i can SOMEWHAT understand the anger behind such a crime (need not say that I do not condone it whatsoever), i just can't think about WHY someone would actually DO something like this.
When the news first said that the shooter was a black male, I told Hubby, that doesn't sound right; that's not the usual profile for a mass shooter.

I think what maybe caused the confusion was that the guy apprehended outside the mall was dressed the same way as the shooter was described (the green camo clothing). I saw the photo of the guy arrested outside, and his clothing was similar.
 
One of our crew at work is a security guard, she said she does carry a real gun to work.

What about bank securities?
Not all mall security guards carry guns. It depends on the mall. Some malls use retired or off-duty policemen, some use people who are trained by private companies. There is much variety.

The news reports said that the guards at the Omaha mall were not armed.

Same with school security; some are armed, some not.

I think bank guards are supposed to be armed but I'm not sure. I know that citizens with conceal carry permits are not allowed to wear their guns into banks.
 
This gives an interesting perspective on armed mall guards:

Mall security's No. 1 job: Protect people from harm
November 21, 2005

By Warren Cornwall
Seattle Times staff reporter

When mayhem breaks loose in a mall, security guards have this basic assignment: Get people out of harm's way, and let the police move in.

Gunfire and hostage situations are a rarity at malls. But with the large number of shoppers, the relative ease of getting inside, and rising anxiety about terrorist attacks, shopping centers are preparing for that possibility.

The risk was underscored Sunday when a gunman opened fire at Tacoma Mall, wounding six people and taking several hostage before surrendering to police.

"It gives you that pause. Boy, are we up to date on our training? Are we up to date on our response training?" said Clark Rice, security director for Bellevue Square shopping center.

In fact, the Bellevue mall had done its annual evacuation drill with merchants and local emergency responders in October.

During the holiday season, Bellevue Square sees enough people in a day to populate a city — sometimes more than 60,000, Rice said.

Security work at a large mall involves careful planning with emergency responders, mall security and merchants, he said. Rice oversees a force as big as a medium-sized police department — between 50 and 100. That number rises during the holidays and is beefed up with Bellevue police officers.

Rice meets monthly with local police and fire officials and offers safety training to merchants and their employees.

While some shopping centers once had gun-toting guards, that's become largely a thing of the past, amid concerns about ricocheting bullets, adequate training and liability, Rice said. The Bellevue Square security operation, which he started running 24 years ago, has never been armed, he said.

"There's no real safe place that you could fire a weapon," said Rice, who sits on the security committee for the International Council of Shopping Centers. "You fire a round off down a shopping center and all that concrete, who knows where that bullet's going to end up. So you are coordinating with the police that are highly trained with those kinds of situations and have SWAT teams and negotiators and all that."...
The Seattle Times: Local News: Mall security's No. 1 job: Protect people from harm
 
boy talk about racist! it wasn't a black guy, who was the shooter, but rather a white slacker type. It's really weird.........every time something like this happens it's usually a very psycho loner male. While i can SOMEWHAT understand the anger behind such a crime (need not say that I do not condone it whatsoever), i just can't think about WHY someone would actually DO something like this.

Its beyond the concept of logic. But then, mental illness always is.
 
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