Jail~ Got a question....

Sweetheart said:
*ahems* That's so bullshit.

That man should be stay in the hosptial until doctor gives the policeman approve to taking him to the jail. Policeman just could be there with him to making sure that he cant run away and such like that.

Because my ex boyfriend did get arrest warrant once, he got into fight with a guy and got his hand cut soo badly that would need stiches, that guy and my ex took to the hsotpail, doctor told the policemen that they cannot take my ex boyfriend because they had to make sure that everything is ok with him, it took doctors around 4 hours and finally gave the policemen approved to take my ex to in the jail. Which it is the laws in Michigan that I knew so far.
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Sweetheart...what is bullshit about what happened? He was seen by the doctor and the doctor let him go. The police cannot force the hospital to release somebody who has not been treated and ready to be released. The doctor saw the guy and the police took him away afterward. The police did not refuse the guy medical treatment and he would not have been released to the police if the doctor felt he was ready to be released.
 
:thumb: What Taylor has said makes absolute sense. That is what I have always heard. When a crime is committed here, the person committing the crime is badly hurt, he is taken to the hospital under police surveillance. When the doctor feels this person is ready to be released, it is the doctor,and only the doctor that decides when the person can be released into police custody to be transported to jail.
 
Taylor said:
If he was not ready to be released from the hospital, then the police would not have taken him out....a doctor has to release him. The police won't take him from the hospital to his house and say "We'll pick you up in 4 to 5 days when you are feeling better". If the doctor released him, then the doctors opinion is that he was well enough to leave the hospital.
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Where did RebelGirl stated that he was release under the Doctor's order? Re-read her post again,
The cops come and waited for 8 hours for him to get all cleaned up. The dr said that he has a concusion and can barely walk, his face was soo swollen and he couldn't see either. The cops said that's too bad, he's going to jail
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Looks like to me the police decide his fate not the doctor. :whistle:
 
Cheri said:
Where did RebelGirl stated that he was release under the Doctor's order? Re-read her post again,

Looks like to me the police decide his fate not the doctor. :whistle:
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Let me correct that part..


He WAS in a bad shape with all the stitches on his head and a hole between his eyes. He had a concussion and could barely walk and lost so much blood but the dr did release him and handed him back to the police.

my point was.. he lost so much blood, had a concussion and could barely walk.. and the dr thought he WAS stable enough to be let go. It wasn't really the police decision.. it was the dr's. but the family tried to tell the dr and police that he doesn't need to be release and needed to be watched at least for 24 hours just to make sure he makes it thru the night.

Taylor, i wasn't saying that it was the police making that decision. i'm just saying when someone is beat up from shoulder and up.. it can be life threatening, it can lead to hemmorage to the brain since he got hit with a 20 pound hammer. I just assumed he'd be on the watch for at least 24 hours. I kinda felt that the family did have a right to say that he needed more treatment but didn't know if it was possible that the family was allowed to do that.
 
Thanks Everyone for making this clear for me. It really helps alot to understand what's happening and how its suppose to happen.


As far as I know, He's going to be in jail for a really long time.. I'd say 15 to 20 years but the lawyer is going to ask to put him in for drug treatment (crystal meth) I'm not so sure if he's gonna be able to go there or go to prison. He has done so much that he wasn't suppose to do, he's got 2 sons and a daughter. He broke in houses to steal food to feed his kids. SAD! No excuse for him to break in and steal. He was making meth lab in a hotel room with few other guys. The guys got caught and he ran. He wasn't able to work because of drug test. He's just really into meth and can't get off of it. Now his son is in New Jersey with his real mother, his other son is with his grandfather, and daughter with her mother. Breaks my heart
 
Yes, Taylor and CODAgirl's posts make sense that's doctor's responsible, not police. If family feel it's wrong then file a lawsuit against doctor, not police.

Why? Because it's doctor's responsible to take care of his/her patient until they are ready to be released then give his/her patient to police.

I would say after read Rebelgirl's description about him that it's too early for the doctor to give his patient to police.
 
RebelGirl said:
Thanks Everyone for making this clear for me. It really helps alot to understand what's happening and how its suppose to happen.


As far as I know, He's going to be in jail for a really long time.. I'd say 15 to 20 years but the lawyer is going to ask to put him in for drug treatment (crystal meth) I'm not so sure if he's gonna be able to go there or go to prison. He has done so much that he wasn't suppose to do, he's got 2 sons and a daughter. He broke in houses to steal food to feed his kids. SAD! No excuse for him to break in and steal. He was making meth lab in a hotel room with few other guys. The guys got caught and he ran. He wasn't able to work because of drug test. He's just really into meth and can't get off of it. Now his son is in New Jersey with his real mother, his other son is with his grandfather, and daughter with her mother. Breaks my heart
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*nodding sadly*

What makes him expose like this...? :( Especially I feel bad for his kids.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
*nodding sadly*

What makes him expose like this...? :( Especially I feel bad for his kids.
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he's been like that since he was like 12 years old. he's 38 now. really, he's a good man and has a good heart. He was just always in trouble with drugs. Well, he didn't stop til it was too late.
 
RebelGirl said:
Taylor, i wasn't saying that it was the police making that decision. i'm just saying when someone is beat up from shoulder and up.. it can be life threatening, it can lead to hemmorage to the brain since he got hit with a 20 pound hammer. I just assumed he'd be on the watch for at least 24 hours. I kinda felt that the family did have a right to say that he needed more treatment but didn't know if it was possible that the family was allowed to do that.
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I was just pointing out the typical procedures for something like this. I know there were some things you did not include in your first post, but you provided enough information for me to know that he had gone to the hospital and was treated and then released back to police custody.

I can only assume, however, that the doctor felt he would get the proper care in the infirmary when released to police custody.
 
Cheri said:
Where did RebelGirl stated that he was release under the Doctor's order? Re-read her post again,

Looks like to me the police decide his fate not the doctor. :whistle:
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She clarified her post to say that the doctor had released him....From her post, I could tell that this was the case (having been in that situation before)
 
*shudders*

This worst horrible...

unless dr thinks best for him release which yes he is pain and weak.. by the way police can take the man away from hospital and goes to jail...

Cannot do anything within hold him stay hosptial by family rights.. but who authorzation by DOCTOR.. release him.. SAD!
Family not..

If suppose He dead at jail.. Family can file lawsuit againist hospital and police too due too early release him not even 100% recovery.. still weak!
 
Regardless how some people may view this, thinking that this person ought to stay longer under the care of the doctor in the hospital, IF the doctor felt that his patient wouldn't get the proper care needed over at the jailhouse, he wouldn't have released him. Also, keep in mind that once over at the infirmary (jailhouse), if for some reason, his care required more than what they're capable of doing, surely they will send him back to the hospital. ;) (I've seen that happened once before a few years back....)

It's understandable when such frustrations and emotions runs high when some people feel that this person should get more care in a hospital setting--yet, it is up to the doctor to either release him or to continue to keep him under close observation and provide what care is needed until conditions warrants the release to the custody of the police.
 
Go ahead and flame me all you want, but if the guy was cooking meth, then he got exactly what he deserved. As a matter of fact, he got off easy.
 
Oh Ok, RebelGirl Thanks for the explanation. :thumb:


I apologies Taylor. :thumb:
 
RebelGirl said:
he's been like that since he was like 12 years old. he's 38 now. really, he's a good man and has a good heart. He was just always in trouble with drugs. Well, he didn't stop til it was too late.
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Really? wow! It look like that he has unhappy background, isn´t he? It´s very sad...
 
I know a person that was on drugs because her daughter passed away with cancer, She choose the wrong path to live her life, because she was so emotional, and drugs are the only thing that makes her forget what she is feeling. It's very sad. :(
 
Dang I still think dr released the guy too soon.. Should have been put on watch for at least 24 hours due to concussion?

I felt bad for the kids. :( If he really loved his kids- he would have got a job and provide for them instead expose them to stealing and etc now they will have emotional problems. I would know as my two nephews and my niece were exposed to this stealing by their mother for foods to feed them and drugs for herself of course. Later my sis in law got arrested and sent to prison for how long, I can't remember (long time ago) Today- look at them. my nephews broke in house for stealing for drugs and get in numerous troubles, I have lost count! sighs.. My niece got caught for stealing shoes, clothes, jewelry from Jcepenney's two years ago and is put on probation. AT the time she was 16! She didn't graduated from high school. But recently got GED now she will be off the probation. but Will she stop stealing and etc? I wonder? Only time will tell..

Anyway back to the topic- Maybe he will learn to get off meth for good if he serve time in prison and will wake up from the mistakes he made over the past years and see what happened to his kids? I will pray for him and his family! sighs..
 
He shouldn't have been dealing with drugs in the first place.
 
Taylor said:
I was just pointing out the typical procedures for something like this. I know there were some things you did not include in your first post, but you provided enough information for me to know that he had gone to the hospital and was treated and then released back to police custody.

I can only assume, however, that the doctor felt he would get the proper care in the infirmary when released to police custody.
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Didn't realize I didn't give enough. I wasn't thinking clearly. I guess you're right.. the dr felt that he would be given proper care in the infirmary so he was released from the hospital.

Thanks for your help!!
 
Doctors don't always make the right judgement calls once releasing a patient from the hospital because it happened to me before, but I don't believe the police should be in blamed in this, since they already got an order from the doctor, and the doctor is the one who made that decision alone, if something did happened, then the family can always sue the doctor and for the polices, they were only doing their job...


:dunno:
 
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