Jack Kevorkian a.k.a Dr Death has died.

Reba said:
That's why I asked, what did he say about his pictures?
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Perhaps he didn't feel the need to say anything about them. An artist creates in order say something they need to say. Why describe the message already created in the visual mode? Once it is said, they move on to the next thing they need to say. Let others think whatever they choose about it.
 
Thinking most people will go to hell and suffer in an everlasting fire is rather pessimistic -especially if you're of a Calvinist bent.
 
deafskeptic said:
Nor do I now that I think about it. I guess it's because death is disquieting to us and we fear it because we do not want to lose our conscious.
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Right. Given the nature of what Kervorkian saw during his medical career, I would say his perspective is more realistic than pessimistic.
 
deafskeptic said:
Nor do I now that I think about it. I guess it's because death is disquieting to us and we fear it because we do not want to lose our conscious.
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We don't want to loose our importance and our ability to impact others.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
Perhaps he didn't feel the need to say anything about them. An artist creates in order say something they need to say. Why describe the message already created in the visual mode? Once it is said, they move on to the next thing they need to say. Let others think whatever they choose about it.
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Yes, and is what is also known as "show, don't tell." Why tell everyone what it is supposed to signify? That would be taking a serious shortcut and do both the artist and the viewer a disservice. Things need to be considered and a conclusion arrived at after that careful consideration.
 
Glenn said:
Yes, and is what is also known as "show, don't tell." Why tell everyone what it is supposed to signify? That would be taking a serious shortcut and do both the artist and the viewer a disservice. Things need to be considered and a conclusion arrived at after that careful consideration.
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Yep. No need to create a painting. Just make a public statement of your message.

Thing is, art represents pure emotion better than verbal expression does. And a visual representation of pure emotion has a greater impact on the viewer.
 
jillio said:
Yep. No need to create a painting. Just make a public statement of your message.

Thing is, art represents pure emotion better than verbal expression does. And a visual representation of pure emotion has a greater impact on the viewer.
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That is because language is a greater disconnect from pure emotion than is art. :cool2: Interesting how that works.
 
jillio said:
I actually had a parent make that request of me. Thankfully, his doctor provided a high level of palliative care and it never became necessary. Had it, I most certainly would have complied with my father's wish. Who am I to remove his autonomy at any point in his life?
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As have I. I actually witnessed in writing my Dad's Living Will. It was the hardest thing I've EVER done, but, I had to think of my beliefs. If/when it comes to it and my Dad nears his end, I DO NOT want him leaving this world in agony. As hard as this road is to walk, it would be MUCH more difficult for me to know his end will be in agony. I cannot bear losing him, but I also cannot bear the thought of him in agony. I believe that when I placed my signature on that document, I was exercising the ultimate love and selflessness that I could muster.

Trust me when I tell you that I wanted to scream "NO!", but I had to think of him and I signed the document knowing what it meant. In my mind, a son/daughter makes the ULTIMATE sacrifice when they do something like that. Its the ultimate exercise in love and sacrifice.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
As have I. I actually witnessed in writing my Dad's Living Will. It was the hardest thing I've EVER done, but, I had to think of my beliefs. If/when it comes to it and my Dad nears his end, I DO NOT want him leaving this world in agony. As hard as this road is to walk, it would be MUCH more difficult for me to know his end will be in agony. I cannot bear losing him, but I also cannot bear the thought of him in agony. I believe that when I placed my signature on that document, I was exercising the ultimate love and selflessness that I could muster.

Trust me when I tell you that I wanted to scream "NO!", but I had to think of him and I signed the document knowing what it meant. In my mind, a son/daughter makes the ULTIMATE sacrifice when they do something like that. Its the ultimate exercise in love and sacrifice.
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:hug: I'm sorry you have to face this situation. It must be one of the hardest things you'v ever had to do but it would be worse to watch him live in agony.
 
deafskeptic said:
:hug: I'm sorry you have to face this situation. It must be one of the hardest things you'v ever had to do but it would be worse to watch him live in agony.
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It WAS hard. But, this also is what it means to walk the walk; as well as talk the talk. I have been saying what I believe about palliative care for quite awhile now. All that was put to the test last year when I witnessed my signature on his Living Will.

This occured right before his colon resection shortly after we found out he had cancer ( which we later learned was in stage 3). With all his illnesses combined, he's quite ill, so the LW was necessary. My parents needed a witness and I happen to be available. I didn't know what I was signing until I saw (and read) the document. I'll admit that I was in a bit of shock once I signed it. But, that was such a crazy day, anyway. Dad was having cancer surgery with a blocked heart artery and severe lung disease. We honestly weren't sure if he'd make it off the table.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It WAS hard. But, this also is what it means to walk the walk; as well as talk the talk. I have been saying what I believe about palliative care for quite awhile now. All that was put to the test last year when I witnessed my signature on his Living Will.

This occured right before his colon resection shortly after we found out he had cancer ( which we later learned was in stage 3). With all his illnesses combined, he's quite ill, so the LW was necessary. My parents needed a witness and I happen to be available. I didn't know what I was signing until I saw (and read) the document. I'll admit that I was in a bit of shock once I signed it. But, that was such a crazy day, anyway. Dad was having cancer surgery with a blocked heart artery and severe lung disease. We honestly weren't sure if he'd make it off the table.
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:hug: I hope he dies comfortably and not in agony.
 
jillio said:
Are you really in a position to make that decision for anyone else? He never assisted in a suicide where the victim did not request his assistance.
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No, I'm saying (in short) that's what the jury decided. My own feelings are more nuanced.
 
jillio said:
Perhaps he didn't feel the need to say anything about them. An artist creates in order say something they need to say. Why describe the message already created in the visual mode? Once it is said, they move on to the next thing they need to say. Let others think whatever they choose about it.
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Apparently he did feel the need to say something since he did say something about his pictures.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
As have I. I actually witnessed in writing my Dad's Living Will. It was the hardest thing I've EVER done, but, I had to think of my beliefs. If/when it comes to it and my Dad nears his end, I DO NOT want him leaving this world in agony. As hard as this road is to walk, it would be MUCH more difficult for me to know his end will be in agony. I cannot bear losing him, but I also cannot bear the thought of him in agony. I believe that when I placed my signature on that document, I was exercising the ultimate love and selflessness that I could muster.

Trust me when I tell you that I wanted to scream "NO!", but I had to think of him and I signed the document knowing what it meant. In my mind, a son/daughter makes the ULTIMATE sacrifice when they do something like that. Its the ultimate exercise in love and sacrifice.
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:hug:
 
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