Jack Kevorkian a.k.a Dr Death has died.

[Jiro]

Palliative care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing there that says "death" is part of a Palliative Care policy. Although the wordings "relief from pain" is in part of the medical policy, but nothing that says "death" is part of that policy. Although the policy is to provide comfort in the event of eminent death, but nothing from the policy that states that "hastening death" (on purpose) is part of that policy.

Yiz

use your common sense.

 

[Glenn]

You forget that Doctors are sworn with the Hippocratic Oath and the first thing they say is.... "Do No Harm".

Doctors aren't supposed to be in the business of taking a life....

Yiz

And sustained suffering isn't harm?

Get real.

 

[Glenn]

use your common sense.

It's not common for Yiz.

 

[netrox]

That video in of itself is what got him convicted.

(WARNING: THIS VIDEO CAN BE UNSETTLING FOR SOME VIEWERS! VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!)

I am more horrified at how he is suffering with Lou Gehrig's disease than his exit. He did NOT deserve to have the disease but the reality is he has it and he knows he will eventually die so he chose to end his life *with dignity* before it gets worse. Did you see how he's gasping for air? I shudder at the cruelty that his disease inflicted on him.

And the idea of someone preventing his right to die in that situation is just plain cruel. I sure hope I never have to deal with that kind of illness and if I do get it, I want to have that right; I'd like to overdose with good old fashioned sedatives and pain killers!

I hope Dr. Kevorkian's death will help people reconsider the laws on prohibiting physician assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

I do NOT personally believe that mentally ill people with no terminal illness should have the right to commit suicide though. They need help and we should try the best to help them out.

But I do believe that you have the right to cling to every last breath of your life regardless of how much suffering you may have.

 

[DeafCaroline]

"But what if it was your spouse who was compromised and/or terminal? Could you make that decision for him or her? "

My stepmom had to make that decision and all of us five siblings fully supported it. We were asked if we wanted to keep my father alive or take him off the machine and let him pass away with as little pain as possible. We instantly chose the latter because we knew our father well enough to know this is what he would have wanted.

 

[Glenn]

"But what if it was your spouse who was compromised and/or terminal? Could you make that decision for him or her? "

My stepmom had to make that decision and all of us five siblings fully supported it. We were asked if we wanted to keep my father alive or take him off the machine and let him pass away with as little pain as possible. We instantly chose the latter because we knew our father well enough to know this is what he would have wanted.

Hard choice, but the best one.

 

[jillio]

Good, may he rot in hell....

He should've died in prison, 8 years out of a 25 year prison sentence. The system is a joke.

Yiz

:-o

 

[jillio]

He was alot more than just helping people kill themselves/ he aided in the murder by providing materials that enabled them to kill themselves. He's an enabler. Pure and simple.



Source: What Do You Know About Jack Kevorkian aka Dr. Death? (Part 1) - Page: 3

Not surprising how his obsession with death came about from all this........

His paintings backs that assertion....

This one is interesting, on the left hat contains Christian and Jewish symbols and a Nazi helmet on the right containing bullets. Pretty graphic image that shows his state of mind.....

Note the Christmas Tree is a corpse and if you look closely underneath the Santa boot in the fireplace, Baby Jesus in a Manger is in the fireplace being stepped on...

So as you can see some glimpse of the mind of JK based from his paintings, it clearly shows his obsession with death and the reason why he used "assistant suicide" to mask his obsession because he wanted to watch people die up close and personal.

He's pretty demented.....

Yiz

You are so very, very misquided. I pity you.

 

[Reba]

After the first few pictures, I skipped the page. That so-called "art" is gruesome. He might have had some technical painting skill but I can't stand looking at it. I don't want nightmares.

He must have had a tormented soul. Sad.

 

[jillio]

Killed people who didn't need killing, in short.

Are you really in a position to make that decision for anyone else? He never assisted in a suicide where the victim did not request his assistance.

 

[jillio]

Those are truly his paintings? I'd agree he appears to be demented.

A big part of the controversy with Kevorkian is that some of the people he "assisted" out of this life could have been helped with anti-depressants and other treatment. They were not all terminally ill.

Do you have any proof that any of his patients could have been made healthier and in less pain with greater palliative care?

And, if they were not receiving sufficient palliative care at the end of life when it was indeed available, then their own physicians need to be brought up on charges for increasing suffering when it was not necessary.

 

[Reba]

I'm not familiar with all of Kevorkian's writings. When he helped people die, did he think that he was sending them to a better place? His art (what little I could bear to view) didn't portray death as a pleasant destination. If that was his image of death, why would he want to assist anyone in getting there sooner?

 

[Glenn]

I'm not familiar with all of Kevorkian's writings. When he helped people die, did he think that he was sending them to a better place? His art (what little I could bear to view) didn't portray death as a pleasant destination. If that was his image of death, why would he want to assist anyone in getting there sooner?

Who can say what he thought?

Perhaps he was helping them leave this place with some grace and dignity.

 

[jillio]

Wow, I never knew he was talented with paintings! I actually like them - they push buttons on people's comfort level.

Yeah, and I really don't think that Yiz is qualifed to interpret the mindset behind the paintings.:roll:

 

[jillio]

And sustained suffering isn't harm?

Get real.

Exactly. If they are not providing a level of palliative care to keep a patient comfortable at the end of life, even though it is available, not only are they creating harm. They are practicing negligent medicine.

 

[Daredevel7]

I am not that great at interpreting art but...

doesn't the 4th and 7th paintings have very similar meanings when it comes to religious holidays?

EDIT:

To me, those paintings actually seem to bash the stereotypical Americans' behavior on religious holidays.

Personally, I find those interesting.

 

[jillio]

News said he died of massive blood clot (PE) - so he probably died suddenly.

He may be hated and his social skills aren't in sync with the "normal" but his ethics and arguments are thought provoking and deserves to be credited for that even though it's NOT a new idea. It's just that he could freely stand up and speak out where so many couldn't. Even doctors who believe in assisted suicide don't want to be associated with him due to his social awkwardness and controversial ideas.

RIP!

He was ethical enough to go to prison for his beliefs. I don't imagine that would happen with many people around here.

And he also has the gratitude of numerous family members of those who watched their loved ones suffer unbearably until he stood up for their right to autonomy and death with dignity.

 

[Bottesini]

I was re-reading Frankl's thoughts today. I like his philosophy.

 

[deafskeptic]

I do find his artwork disturbing but at least one painting appears to be a comment on how religions uses peoples as a puppet to prolong sufering. I'm not sure what to make of some of them though. Art isn't always supposed to be pretty. For example, I find Bosch disturbing too. I can believe that he went eventually went insane.

 

[jillio]

Yeah, I know about POA, but there are limitations.

Absolutely. Which is why Death with Dignity legislation needs to be enacted in every state in this country. To date, we have only 2 states that treat the dying in a totally humane and respectful manner by having such legislation.