Is it Offensive to Talk while among a Deaf crowd?

kokonut said:
Ok.

Now, same scenario except on the campus of Gallaudet University. Two deaf/hh people either with hh or CI sitting at a table at the Market Place "food court" eating and talking (not signing) with each other. Offensive or not? Rude?
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Yes, it is rude because Gallaudet is the mecca for all Deaf people.

To have the nerve to talk in front of all Deaf people is just like blatantly going against the morals & values of what everyone goes to Gallaudet for.

I am sorry but sometimes when a person really puts up an effort to go against the grain of what Deaf Culture does shouldn't really bother socialising with the Deaf Community.

Call it ethnocentrism, yes, there is a reason for this.

Values and morals.
 
kokonut said:
Ok.

Now, same scenario except on the campus of Gallaudet University. Two deaf/hh people either with hh or CI sitting at a table at the Market Place "food court" eating and talking (not signing) with each other. Offensive or not? Rude?
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Ohhhh yes, very. I dont think I need to explain why. If someone wants to disrespect the culture, then they won't be accepted and then that person will complain that Deaf people won't accept him/her and blame it on the Deaf community. I have seen that shit get pulled too many times. It is the person who has the problem, not the Deaf community.
 
shel90 said:
Ohhhh yes, very. I dont think I need to explain why. If someone wants to disrespect the culture, then they won't be accepted and then that person will complain that Deaf people won't accept him/her and blame it on the Deaf community. I have seen that shit get pulled too many times. It is the person who has the problem, not the Deaf community.
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Simple thing is for the rabblerouser to go away and he/she wouldn't have any more issues with the Deaf Culture/Community.

However if he/she wants to complain, he/she is all by him/herself.
 
kokonut said:
Not about hearing people. I'm talking about hard of hearing or those who are deaf who wear cochlear implant, for example. Deaf people shouldn't get upset over a deaf/hh person communication preference with another deaf/hh person. When it comes to using a particular mode communication (whether they know sign language or not) to talk and converse it is their right to do so. Even if it means at Deaf chat places, too. After all, who says that Deaf people have the right to regulate "proper mode of communication" in a public setting? They don't. We don't know the circumstances and the reason for talking instead of signing. And really, it's nobody's business since it's in a public setting.
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:werd:

I've met a couple who had a child about the age of 9 or so with cochlear implant at a Starbuck get together for the deaf, and the child did not know any sign language, she just want to attend to meet people like herself who are deaf, hard of hearing or those who wear cochlear implants. I gonna say only two out of 18 people there were offended that they came to the tables of deaf signers to introduce themselves. All the couple had stated to them that their child was deaf also but wears cochlear implants, and she just want to meet all of you guys to say hi, and two signers were like ugh! I'm like wtf?? what is their problem? Some deaf people can be really rude to be honest.
 
Cheri said:
:werd:

I've met a couple who had a child about the age of 9 or so with cochlear implant at a Starbuck get together for the deaf, and the child did not know any sign language, she just want to attend to meet people like herself who are deaf, hard of hearing or those who wear cochlear implants. I gonna say only two out of 18 people there were offended that they came to the tables of deaf signers to introduce themselves. All the couple had stated to them that their child was deaf also but wears cochlear implants, and she just want to meet all of you guys to say hi, and two signers were like ugh! I'm like wtf?? what is their problem? Some deaf people can be really rude to be honest.
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Picture this,

A young couple with a very fussy toddler on a city bus asked me to give their son my white cane to play with so he can settle down.

:shock:

My white cane is an extension of me. It is not a toy and I don't think I need to explain that to the couple.

Now apply that to the situation you saw.
 
I don't see how that is the same Mrs Bucket. I've came across many different deaf people signers, non-signers, no voice, voice, signers with SEE or PSE or ASL. There's no one mode of communication for all deaf individuals, so why it is so hard to accept their mode of communication whatever they grew up with? I would not even find it offended if I saw a two deaf people orally their conversation instead of signing. I'm not like all the deaf people out there, I'm my own person. ;)
 
kokonut said:
Not about hearing people. I'm talking about hard of hearing or those who are deaf who wear cochlear implant, for example. Deaf people shouldn't get upset over a deaf/hh person communication preference with another deaf/hh person. When it comes to using a particular mode communication (whether they know sign language or not) to talk and converse it is their right to do so. Even if it means at Deaf chat places, too. After all, who says that Deaf people have the right to regulate "proper mode of communication" in a public setting? They don't. We don't know the circumstances and the reason for talking instead of signing. And really, it's nobody's business since it's in a public setting.
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amen!!!! i agree 100 percent. plus that any form of communication that is on public property is ok because its public property. now if a deaf/hoh person goes to a private meeting where talking or cued is not allowed then they should follow the rules of where they are at at the moment.
 
Cheri said:
I don't see how that is the same Mrs Bucket. I've came across many different deaf people signers, non-signers, no voice, voice, signers with SEE or PSE or ASL. There's no one mode of communication for all deaf individuals, so why it is so hard to accept their mode of communication whatever they grew up with? I would not even find it offended if I saw a two deaf people orally their conversation instead of signing. I'm not like all the deaf people out there, I'm my own person. ;)
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SEE, PSE are not accepted languages of the Deaf Community.

ASL is the language of the Deaf Community.

You are your own person as you should be and I am my own person.

ASL is my language. Speech may be your language.

I have no problem accepting other people's languages but to assert to us to accept SEE and PSE as a language is not acceptable. Period.
 
Once again, just because two people with, say, hearing aids, talking to *each other* who happens to be at a table at Gally's Market Place doesn't mean they know sign language anymore than seeing two hearing people sitting at a table talking to each other (not bothering no one!). Are you allowing your prejudices overtake your own senses in this? Sounds like it. You don't even know what the situation is like with those two talking people! Are you telling me y'all are instant mind-readers? Maybe they are there to visit Gallaudet for the first time and do not know an ounce of sign language. Maybe one do know sign language but the other does not. Same for two hearing people talking to each other. Why not get mad at them for not signing? The thing is, not everybody who comes on campus automatically know sign language. And do not assume just because a person wears a hearing aid or even a CI know sign language either.

The lesson? Don't get unnecessarily mad. You do not know the situation. It's two people talking to each other whether one wears a HA/CI or not. And since it's an open and "public" place it's really none of your business.
 
Why are you still projecting your past issues from Gallaudet onto this website?

I know you have had problems like this at Gallaudet when you used a cellphone at Gallaudet and you talked on campus as well.

It makes me wonder why you still project those societal insecurity issues onto this website. Really, you need to analyse those issues yourself.

I say this as a friend to you, Mike. Tsk.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Why are you still projecting your past issues from Gallaudet onto this website?

I know you have had problems like this at Gallaudet when you used a cellphone at Gallaudet and you talked on campus as well.

It makes me wonder why you still project those societal insecurity issues onto this website. Really, you need to analyse those issues yourself.

I say this as a friend to you, Mike. Tsk.
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No projection. And please, none of that red herring stuff, too. Please, focus on the example I'm giving, and observe people's own prejudicial responses.

I'm stating a hypothetical scenario. Seeing two strangers with hearing aids or cochlear implants (maybe they're late deafened adults who are curious about the campus) talking to each other only, and no on else, at Gally's Market Place. What gives people the right to get angry at them if they do know what the situation is and who those people are? Perhaps the real insecurity issue are those who are doing the complaining rather than assess and ask questions first?
 
kokonut said:
No projection. And please, none of that red herring stuff, too. Please, focus on the example I'm giving, and observe people's own prejudicial responses.

I'm stating a hypothetical scenario. Seeing two strangers with hearing aids or cochlear implants (maybe they're late deafened adults who are curious about the campus) talking to each other only, and no on else, at Gally's Market Place. What gives you the right to get angry at them if you do know what the situation is and who those people are? Perhaps the real insecurity issue are those who are doing the complaining rather than assess and ask questions first?
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You only need to have a good look at yourself because you are the one making those threads.

That's all I need to say.
 
Um, please, let's not get personal. I've drawn up a scenario. Nothing more.

Like I said, it's a scenario whose situation is unknown by those on the outside. Until a situation is known as a fact then perhaps people may or may not have a legitimate complaint.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
Picture this,

A young couple with a very fussy toddler on a city bus asked me to give their son my white cane to play with so he can settle down.

:shock:

My white cane is an extension of me. It is not a toy and I don't think I need to explain that to the couple.

Now apply that to the situation you saw.
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:shock: Unbelievable! I bet you were wondering if they were for real.
 
deafskeptic said:
:shock: Unbelievable! I bet you were wondering if they were for real.
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Oh you bet! I must admit when I first got my white cane, it was a really empowering experience for me.

I finally got the personal space. Some people would shove me if they waited too long behind me, not realising I was Deaf as well. With the white cane, it helped display my blindness as well.

However for some people to ask to use an extension of me as a toy just baffled me right there. :eek3: It's just like asking a wheelchair bound person if they can get off so their children can play go-kart on it.
 
A hearing aid or cochlear implant is also an extension of that person's ability to listen and communicate. The thing is it could very well be their only way of communicating since may not know sign language. That was my whole point. But I don't see how your example typifies what I'm describing. Extension comes in a variety of ways.
 
kokonut said:
A hearing aid or cochlear implant is also an extension of that person's ability to listen and communicate. The thing is it could very well be their only way of communicating since may not know sign language. That was my whole point. But I don't see how your example typifies what I'm describing. Extension comes in a variety of ways.
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Thinking outside of the box is what I was doing. It helps with strategy thinking and problem solving, no?
 
Yes, it helps which is why I'm doing this.

Again, I have described a scenario between two private individuals with ha/ci talking in a public setting. What do people know about the two individuals give them the right to get angry if they don't know who they are and why they are there?
 
Mrs Bucket said:
SEE, PSE are not accepted languages of the Deaf Community.

ASL is the language of the Deaf Community.


I have no problem accepting other people's languages but to assert to us to accept SEE and PSE as a language is not acceptable. Period.
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just because pse or see is not your language doesnt mean that its not a deaf persons language. as asl is a Deaf persons language. Deaf/and deaf are diff....
i understand what u are saying. and how u have said it as quoted i agree. most hearies dont understand that not all sign language is the same. asl is language used by Deaf community. pse, see, and cued is not. however not everyone is born deaf or went to deaf school and know asl fluently. some have to resort to see or pse until they can learn asl. i think what alot of people dont understand is there is a difference between Deaf and deaf. alot of deaf use see and pse and cued.
sorry to stray from the thread... :2c:
 
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