Illusion of Terrorism

[Jiro]

I has to honest with you... The US Army base where I work, do have terrorist control. We must show our ID and our vehicle # to US security before go in. Its protection from terrorists. Before 9/11, we do not need to show ID and vehicle #... After 9/11 - high restriction... I flied to America last year... wow - very high restriction in US security. They almost won´t let me go in.

lol of course. that's different - military base and the public society. If we have to show our ID and vehicle # wherever we go... even to mall.... well that's sad.

I would be more concerned with sleeper cells as they can strike in unimagineable ways at anytime. I'm sure the US govt has intel tabs on these groups. I mean, since when does a religion require the entire world to be Muslim or die? Doesn't sound like a proposition for coexisting peace!

Of course they keep tabs on them.... they do not need to notify us in news about them. Obviously if the sleeper cells were exposed in news, they'll just disappear.

 

[Byrdie714]

Do you have a specific example of the US terrorizing one of these nations as causal to "them" attacking us with terrorist acts?

Cuba?

 

[Reba]

Cuba?

Give specific cause and effect please.

 

[Jiro]

Give specific cause and effect please.

I'm not sure exactly which country but I think it's Burma or... Indonesia. It was known for its incredibly rich resources and it was considered one of the wealth Asian country however... it's ravaged with poverty and it is deep in debt. Why? because American corporations took advantage of them. I don't exactly know how but it's how it is. I was watching a video about its country in my class. It was about manufacturing business in poor countries. It explained why did it become one of the most poorest countries in Asia. Its manufacturing sector is largely for USA consumers - clothes, toys, etc. The journalist posed as a wealthy American CEO looking for cheap labor in Asia, talking a deal with boss of manufacturing plant. He hid a camera inside his business bag, capturing whole conversation and the inside of sweat shop. He explored around the villages where most of them were employed by the factory. It's like what you saw in tv commercial - shanty homes, garbage all over, etc. That's why you keep hearing in news especially WTO protest about GAP sweat shops, etc.

I imagine same for Africa (diamond, rare minerals), South America (coffee, food), and Middle East (oil). This foreign terrorism attack against USA is only a retaliation for our oppression and ignorance on them. Their message is clear - "stay out of my country and stop taking advantage of me"

All terrorism attacks always have messages -

1. Oklahoma FBI Bombing - a revenge for Waco incident by American militia who have a disgusted view of federal government
2. Olympic Bombing at Atlanta - stop the murder (abortion clinics), condemning government for its "abominable sanction" of abortion.
3. Unabomber - his distorted Luddite view
4. WTC Bombing (1993) - End all USA's aids to Israel and stop interfering with any Middle East's affairs
5. WTC - same as #4

list goes on... Cuba, Nicaragua, etc...

 

[BradB08]

I'm more scared about what the government will do with our rights.

Terrorism isn't a concern.

In fact, it's well-documented that governments sometimes use terrorism to strip their citizens of certain rights.

 

[Byrdie714]

Cuba?

Give specific cause and effect please.

Trade embargo against Cuba as it went Communist against America's wishes.

What's interesting about Cuba is if you compare Cuba to a western democracy....... like Italy. Cuba's government is more stable than Italy. Since WWII Italy has had 43 governments compared to Cuba's 2 governments--Castro and his brother Raoul. 43 governments since the end of WWII. In 63 years, Italy has had 43 governments--that averages almost every year and half!

Granted it's communist but it's reading literacy is one of the best in the world, better than America's, comprehensive health care. Instead of working with the Cubans--America turn a blind-eye and punished them with trade embargoes. Why do you think many western nations have been encouraging to America to lift it's embargoes against Cuba?

Because it isn't working. You should know that Reba.

 

[shel90]

Trade embargo against Cuba as it went Communist against America's wishes.

What's interesting about Cuba is if you compare Cuba to a western democracy....... like Italy. Cuba's government is more stable than Italy. Since WWII Italy has had 43 governments compared to Cuba's 2 governments--Castro and his brother Raoul. 43 governments since the end of WWII. In 63 years, Italy has had 43 governments--that averages almost every year and half!

Granted it's communist but it's reading literacy is one of the best in the world, better than America's, comprehensive health care. Instead of working with the Cubans--America turn a blind-eye and punished them with trade embargoes. Why do you think many western nations have been encouraging to America to lift it's embargoes against Cuba?

Because it isn't working. You should know that Reba.

Cuba's reading literacy is one of the best in the world? Or is it Italy? Can u clarify that? Thanks!

 

[Jiro]

Cuba's reading literacy is one of the best in the world? Or is it Italy? Can u clarify that? Thanks!

he's right. Cuba's literacy rate is remarkable and the health of general population is remarkable too. USA has long enforced its embargo on Cuba because of extremely powerful political people in Florida who are extremely anti-Castro.

In exchange of their political assurance/support, you need to respect their wish to enforce the Cuban embargo. I had a conversation with my professor during intermission because I was curious about the long-time embargo on Cuba since it does not pose a threat to the world anymore. He's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant professor in Latin America history. I was very lucky to be in his class because it was his last lecture.

one more thing - do you know why we suddenly switched to high fructose corn syrup long while back? hint - Cuban embargo. Cuba was our #1 sugarcane manufacturer. Coca Cola and all companies relied on it for its cheap natural sugar but.... with Cuban embargo... it was costly to import sugars from other countries so that's how we're all fat on high fructose corn syrup.

 

[BradB08]

I too, think the embargo on Cuba should be lifted.

It's because of politicians in Florida like the Diaz-Balarts, that the embargo keeps going.

Also, Raul Castro is not quite as much of a stalwart as his brother Fidel. Hopefully, we will see Cuba start to lift restrictions on its' citizens. However, it is not our job to force other countries to choose governments that are to our liking.

The CIA has a long and bloody history of influence over foreign governments in Central America. They have helped put many right-wing dictators into power in those countries and because of this, for example, you see the struggle between the right-wing group AUC and left-wing groups FARC/ELN in Colombia. This struggle is also a symbol of the failure of America's War on Drugs, as Colombia is a hotbed for narcotics, especially cocaine and heroin.

In Chile, the CIA also had a hand in the rise to power of Augusto Pinochet after a coup left socialist leader Salvador Allende dead.

 

[Reba]

Trade embargo against Cuba as it went Communist against America's wishes.

You call that terrorism?!

Granted it's communist but it's reading literacy is one of the best in the world, better than America's, comprehensive health care. Instead of working with the Cubans--America turn a blind-eye and punished them with trade embargoes. Why do you think many western nations have been encouraging to America to lift it's embargoes against Cuba?

Because it isn't working. You should know that Reba.

We'd have to get into a demographics and other discussions about the literacy rate. If you want to start another thread, be my guest. But that isn't terrorism.

From my ex-patriot Cuban friends, they don't give a very glowing report for Cuba's "comprehensive health care." Again, that's another topic.

I asked how any specific acts of terrorism by Americans against other countries resulted in foreign terrorist acts against America or Americans. The embargo against Cuba doesn't answer that question.

 

[Reba]

I'm not sure exactly which country but I think it's Burma or... Indonesia.

If you're not even sure which country it was, maybe you better review your notes before making a post about the situation. It goes to credibility.

It was known for its incredibly rich resources and it was considered one of the wealth Asian country however... it's ravaged with poverty and it is deep in debt. Why? because American corporations took advantage of them. I don't exactly know how but it's how it is. I was watching a video about its country in my class. It was about manufacturing business in poor countries. It explained why did it become one of the most poorest countries in Asia. Its manufacturing sector is largely for USA consumers - clothes, toys, etc. The journalist posed as a wealthy American CEO looking for cheap labor in Asia, talking a deal with boss of manufacturing plant. He hid a camera inside his business bag, capturing whole conversation and the inside of sweat shop. He explored around the villages where most of them were employed by the factory. It's like what you saw in tv commercial - shanty homes, garbage all over, etc. That's why you keep hearing in news especially WTO protest about GAP sweat shops, etc.

Exploitation is certainly an awful thing. However, that doesn't prove the statement that any acts of terrorism by Americans caused acts of terrorism against America.

Next slide please.

I imagine same for Africa (diamond, rare minerals), South America (coffee, food), and Middle East (oil). This foreign terrorism attack against USA is only a retaliation for our oppression and ignorance on them. Their message is clear - "stay out of my country and stop taking advantage of me".

That's your opinion. Please give me a factual example of cause and effect.

All terrorism attacks always have messages

Maybe. Sometimes that message is "I'm a nut case and I want to hurt other people and become famous."

1. Oklahoma FBI Bombing - a revenge for Waco incident by American militia who have a disgusted view of federal government
2. Olympic Bombing at Atlanta - stop the murder (abortion clinics), condemning government for its "abominable sanction" of abortion.
3. Unabomber - his distorted Luddite view
4. WTC Bombing (1993) - End all USA's aids to Israel and stop interfering with any Middle East's affairs
5. WTC - same as #4

If those were their "reasons" do you think they were justified? Do you believe the perceived actions by the US "government" justified the attacks and bombings?

list goes on... Cuba, Nicaragua, etc...

What list?

 

[Reba]

he's right. Cuba's literacy rate is remarkable and the health of general population is remarkable too.

Yes, it's so "wonderful" that people risk their lives to leave it. :roll:

 

[BradB08]

Yes, it's so "wonderful" that people risk their lives to leave it. :roll:

It's certainly not the evil communist country that American right-wingers portray it to be.

Many of the folks who leave have relatives in the US and for them, the quality of life is more important so they leave.

I think we need to stop demonizing Cuba. It's childish and the Cold War ended over 50 years ago.

 

[Jiro]

It's certainly not the evil communist country that American right-wingers portray it to be.

Many of the folks who leave have relatives in the US and for them, the quality of life is more important so they leave.

I think we need to stop demonizing Cuba. It's childish and the Cold War ended over 50 years ago.

Reba was right to point out that this Cuba issue has nothing to do with terrorism. Create another thread for "Liberation of Cuba"

 

[BradB08]

Reba was right to point out that this Cuba issue has nothing to do with terrorism. Create another thread for "Liberation of Cuba"

I'm not the one who first brought up Cuba. Why are you suggesting this to me?

 

[SCBassist]

Even so, I have read delusions about Cuba's Castro, Venezuela's Chavez, DPRK's Jong Il, and Iran's Ahmadinejad and its mullahs refer to U.S. embargos and sanctions as terroristic threats. People like this, especially terrorists will use the media to twist things around, and yet the media buys it anyway because this sort of crap sells. Anyone who knows the foreign environment knows better than to believe such one sided twisted info.

 

[Jiro]

I'm not the one who first brought up Cuba. Why are you suggesting this to me?

you and Byrdie too

 

[Pinky]

Hi Jiro, I am sorry I didn't post a comment. Someone sent me PM and asked me. "No posts anymore?" I told someone I avoid from 4 person.

Thank you for post a terrorism of US anyways. Yeah, Terrorism is very dangerous!

 

[Reba]

It's certainly not the evil communist country that American right-wingers portray it to be.

Many of the folks who leave have relatives in the US and for them, the quality of life is more important so they leave.

I think we need to stop demonizing Cuba. It's childish and the Cold War ended over 50 years ago.

I apologize for being :topic: but I can't let errors in fact go unchallenged.

The Cold War did NOT end over 50 years ago--that would be 1958. That would be in the middle of the Cold War period.

According to the official Cold War Recognition Certificate, it is for members of the armed forces and federal government civilian employees who faithfully served the United States during the Cold War era, from Sept. 2, 1945, to Dec 26, 1991.

 

[BradB08]

Fair enough. Not posting anything else on Cuba per request.