If You Were Drafted...

No prob, friend.
*whmper whimper*
 
Megladon said:
I guess it all depends on what they were protesting, and how much i hate the protesters, if the conditions were right, yes i would fire upon them, women and childeren too!
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I assume you are being facetious?
There is never any justification for firing upon peaceful protestors.
 
funnycat78 said:
if i was chosen to be drafted I wud rather die than goin ahead with stupid draft :roll:
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Why would you rather die?
 
pinkster said:
Personally, I don't think I could. Unless they did some kind of heinous crime, ya know.
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The original scenario presented was a peaceful demonstration, not a mob of heinous criminals. There would be no lawful reason to fire upon them. Even if they were heinous criminals, that would require a law enforcement action and trial to deliver justice, not military.
 
sablescort said:
...demonstrators occupied buildings and destroyed the ROTC offices...
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Not a peaceful demonstration!

...the governor of Ohio dispatched hundreds of National Guardsmen to the campus...
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Yes, National Guardsmen (who are volunteers BTW), not drafted Army soldiers.

Totally different situation than that posed by the original question of this thread.
 
Reba said:
Why would you rather die?
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cuz I ain't gonna waste time bein attacked in jail cuz I heard horror stories in jail and glad i never went to jail at all..
 
Hermit of ozark said:
I will have to follow the order like a true patriot.
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Are you not paying attention? There is nothing patriotic about obeying an unlawful order.

And again I say:
1. no one is drafted into the National Guard; draftees are called into the Army
2. only the National Guard, not the Army, is called into action within the United States

The scenario is bogus.
 
Reba said:
Are you not paying attention? There is nothing patriotic about obeying an unlawful order.

And again I say:
1. no one is drafted into the National Guard; draftees are called into the Army
2. only the National Guard, not the Army, is called into action within the United States

The scenario is bogus.
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Well, an order coming from higher rank isnt unlawful. Protesters do get in other people way, they should have pick other way to share their voice instead of standing outside of the building.

If higher rank was more humane, they probably will supply non-lethal weapons instead of killing them.
 
Hermit of ozark said:
Well, an order coming from higher rank isnt unlawful.
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The rank doesn't matter; it can still be unlawful, whether it is from a commissioned officer or an enlisted non-com.
Protesters do get in other people way, they should have pick other way to share their voice instead of standing outside of the building.
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There is nothing wrong with PEACEFUL demonstrations that follow the rules. If the protestors became threatening or unruly, then law enforcement officials can take steps to break up the demonstration.
If higher rank was more humane, they probably will supply non-lethal weapons instead of killing them.
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Often they do use tear gas, water cannon, or "rubber" bullets, or techniques that don't require any "weapons". It depends on the location and circumstances. However, for self defense, only "real" bullets will do.
 
Reba said:
The rank doesn't matter; it can still be unlawful, whether it is from a commissioned officer or an enlisted non-com.

There is nothing wrong with PEACEFUL demonstrations that follow the rules. If the protestors became threatening or unruly, then law enforcement officials can take steps to break up the demonstration.

Often they do use tear gas, water cannon, or "rubber" bullets, or techniques that don't require any "weapons". It depends on the location and circumstances. However, for self defense, only "real" bullets will do.
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you cant question back to higher rank. you do what you have to do, if it was wrongdoing, higher rank will be the one who get in trouble.
 
If i were drafted.. i'll just probally follow the orders. and shoot them at their will.
but be more kind.. i'll more likely shoot on their legs or arms.
 
Hermit of ozark said:
I will have to follow the order like a true patriot.
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Hero is what they want to become.

Some soldiers return to their homeland and never be the same, the war will come to haunt them in the long run and become paranoid over shooting and bombs in their dreams, and turn nasty to their families.

People like deafness or health problem are not suitable to join the war!
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
If i were drafted.. i'll just probally follow the orders. and shoot them at their will.
but be more kind.. i'll more likely shoot on their legs or arms.
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You've watched too many movies. If you are in a situation that requires deadly force (gunfire) then you always aim for the largest, easiest target, that is the body's trunk area. Moving arms and legs are too hard to hit, and even if hit sometimes won't stop an attacker. Either shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all.
 
F4 Deafies!

It pays big for deafies ages 18-27 to sign up for selective services. I seen what it does to people when they apply for government loans. It's almost like a short cut to approval. They do check for that when you apply for government loans. Even if you get drafted, youd get the F4 category which means base work in the continental USA. No bullets to dodge, no missiles to avoid, and most importantly no chance of getting yourself beheaded in the middle east.

Richard Roehm
 
Nesmuth said:
It pays big for deafies ages 18-27 to sign up for selective services. I seen what it does to people when they apply for government loans. It's almost like a short cut to approval. They do check for that when you apply for government loans. Even if you get drafted, youd get the F4 category which means base work in the continental USA. No bullets to dodge, no missiles to avoid, and most importantly no chance of getting yourself beheaded in the middle east.
Richard Roehm
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Not exactly right. If you DON'T register for Selective Service, you will NOt be able to get a government loan or job at all. There are no financial rewards for registering, but there are big penalties for not registering. Every male (hearing and deaf) at age 18 years must register.

If you are deaf and drafted, and then determined to be 4F category, then you cannot join the military. That means no military service, none. No base work in the USA.
 
From the Selective Service website FAQ page:

What is the penalty for not registering?
If you do not register, you could be prosecuted and fined up to $250,000 and/or be put in jail for up to five years. Registration is also a requirement to qualify for Federal student aid, job training benefits, and most Federal employment.

Are disabled men, or men with medical conditions, required to register with Selective Service?
The only process now in effect is that men between the ages of 18 and 26 register with Selective Service and keep their registration record current during that period. Neither the Military Selective Service Act nor the Presidential proclamation provide an exemption from registration because of a man's mental or physical condition unless Selective Service is provided with documented evidence that the man is hospitalized or institutionalized; or home-bound and unable to function outside the home, with or without physical assistance; or is in such a physical or mental condition that he would not comprehend the nature of his registration with the Selective Service System. A determination is then made by Selective Service as to whether or not the man qualifies for exemption from registration.

www.sss.gov/QA.HTM
 
Reba said:
Not exactly right. If you DON'T register for Selective Service, you will NOt be able to get a government loan or job at all. There are no financial rewards for registering, but there are big penalties for not registering. Every male (hearing and deaf) at age 18 years must register.

If you are deaf and drafted, and then determined to be 4F category, then you cannot join the military. That means no military service, none. No base work in the USA.
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i just wanted to post something here.... There are Deaf soliders around here in USA.. they work as national guard.. and yes Deaf can work as national guard.. like the one in GA. Staff Sargent Steven.. he's deaf and worked at national guard as terriost inspections.

however deaf people can't be in War.. but they can work for the bases in USA.

I have been Worked in Airforce here in Mpls just for 2 summers. as a warehouse. working with national guards.. however i'm not offically working as a real national guard.. just an summer job.. but Deaf people can be full-time National guard worksman.. only difference is that they cannot go to war.. but can work for government.
 
I emailed the question to the Human Resources Office for the MN National Guard. Here is her reply:

"No, the deaf individuals are not allowing enlist in the National Guard. Because of the National Guards physical policy said there is not allowing the hearing loss, asthma, flat feet and other health reasons for those people who can not enlist for the National Guards.
I am telling you let know that I am deaf civilian worker in the National Guard for 14 years service. I am working in the headquarter office room."
 
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