I had three oprations

Oh boy, :dizzy: from page one to now, I've seen nothing but drama, drama and drama cause by some of you members which I would not name.

And secondly of all I don't understand why does a mother have to come in here and defend her daughter, Can the daughter speak for herself? Or are you a minor, LizaSoul? :dunno:

LizaSoul,

I have a few questions for you, when did you first had your CI? How long before you knew there was a problem with your CI, that you had to be operated three times? Do you mind telling me how long ago you had your lasted operation and your first one? Thanks. ;)
 
CyberRed said:
Low opinion ? Ha ! I have my own 4 hearin' children and they sign very fluently. They grew up in both worlds. Their father is very ASL. Very straight ASL. All my 4 children recognized that me and their father are deaf when they were a year old. They can catch readin' very well in signin'. They understood PSE, SEE, ASL, and English. They have no problem understandin' deaf people. Oh, yes -- all my children are CODA.
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So? They leaned ASL and speach at the same time. You just backed me up. A child doesn't need to learn ASL first and then the rest. They can learn it at the same time- like your children..

Oh andyou wrote "me and their father are deaf " so why did you explain they are CODA? You just said that.
 
Cjanik said:
show me where any of us said "if your deaf, you cant do anything".

if you read all over again, your reading it all wrong, like i said, just exactly what an extremist does.

we said its a benefit to hear, we never said a deaf person cant do anything unless they get a CI/HH.

your the only one holding yourself in anger.

every time somebody states something, you turn it around and re-state it all wrong, saying the complete opposite of what we really said.
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I really hope you are not expecting an answer to your questions.
 
Cloggy said:
So? They leaned ASL and speach at the same time. You just backed me up. A child doesn't need to learn ASL first and then the rest. They can learn it at the same time- like your children.
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:stupid: :deal:

OK, If the hearing kids CAN hear, speak and sign all at once, why can't the deaf do that, too?
 
Fragmenter said:
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OK, If the hearing kids CAN hear, speak and sign all at once, why can't the deaf do that, too?
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Because I can see that for a deaf person it's natural to start communicating with ASL. Depending on the amount of hearing loss, speech can be started at the same time. But without hearing anything, learning to speak has it's problems.
Problems that are overcome by training and can result in good speech.
 
I agree.

My hearing sister was shocked to learn that my wife is actually deaf since she speaks like a normal hearing person. She doesn't have that nasal voice that lots of deaf people has.
 
Cloggy said:
So? They leaned ASL and speach at the same time. You just backed me up. A child doesn't need to learn ASL first and then the rest. They can learn it at the same time- like your children..

Oh andyou wrote "me and their father are deaf " so why did you explain they are CODA? You just said that.
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I am talkin' about CI implant thing that I don't accept. That's what I am talkin' about or isn't this thread about the CI implants/HAs ?
Supposedly, if one of my children happen to be deaf at birth or some kinds of illness -- I would NOT consider to have the CI implant on my child. I will wait until she or he gets older to tell me what he/she wants. If, she or he happens saw other kid who wears CI implant -- my child would probably ask me some questions what CI implant is for or what it does for the child. I would probably take my child to see a doctor and have doctor to show my child what the CI implant looks like and what it does to the nerves inside the brain in order to help a child to be able to hear or whatever the questions are.
Me and my children's father don't wear CI implants. I was born hearin' until somethin' hit me at the age of 3 months old to become deaf. It was altitude in the plane that broke my eardrums - both of them were broken and, even thou my mother don't follow her doctor's advice not to take me to fly over from New York City to Puerto Rico to visit my grandma. I was too young to fly. When we arrived home in New York City from Puerto Rico, my father noticed somethin' funny with me. I slept alllllll day long and didn't even wake up from the sounds they were makin'. That was when my father knew there was somethin' wrong. He took me to see doctor immediately. He told my father that I was deaf. It broke his heart. I was daddy's girl... his favorite girl. Doctor recommended him to take me to St. Joseph's School for the Deaf to learn how to talk with the help of HAs. I wore them until the age of 11 I quit. I couldn't stand the planes flyin' over my parents' house EVERYDAY. It was very annoyin'. So, I stopped wearin' HAs ever since. Ahhhhh soOoO quiet ! About friggin' time ! LOL And, I LOVE IT. Mwahhhhh ! :thumb:
 
R2D2 said:
ghsh1996 said:
Okay let me explain why "fix" is not the best word to describe being implanted with a CI. When you have a CI you are still deaf. Your ears still do not work. It simply provides an alternative, artificial means of hearing. But when it's turned off at night, in the shower or during swimming the person is as deaf as you. So basically having a CI is not a cure for deafness any more than a hearing aid is a cure. I would appreciate it if you could use a more accurate terminology as we wouldn't want people thinking that a CI is a treatment for deafness!

I'm not sure how you got the idea that I think you need a CI. Quite honestly I don't think you would benefit from it so I would never suggest you have one. It's not for everyone and as you say, you hate sounds so it would be pointless. You sound happy as you are.

All the best.
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WHATEVER! I DONT WANT ARGUE WITH YOU.
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CyberRed said:
Thank you. I know it's sad to see some hearin' parents expect too much from the child ( deaf ) to meet their standard. What hearin' parents don't realize is that what if, the noise pollution can harm " CI " children ? Oh, just because CI can help children to hear BETTER than HAs -- because of the nerves it feeds through, not like HAs. I am aware of the nerves that are very sensitive part in the brain.

Let me paste a link that will tell how high the decibals are that may be harm hearin' people, especially CI children.

NOISE POLLUTION :
http://www.nsca.org.uk/pages/environment_facts/noise_pollution.cfm

I would like to see their opinions/point of views what they had to say about this.
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Your welcome :) I cannot handle the sound because it make me dizzy and cunfusing. my brain get hurt. People dont understand how I feel. I am adult and I say no I wont wear hearing aid or CI period. I rather be deaf and have peace! If I have a child who is deaf. I will leave him or her alone.
 
ghsh1996 said:
Your welcome :) I cannot handle the sound because it make me dizzy and cunfusing. my brain get hurt. People dont understand how I feel. I am adult and I say no I wont wear hearing aid or CI period. I rather be deaf and have peace! If I have a child who is deaf. I will leave him or her alone.
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and if ur child's deaf.. and want to have CI.. would u let them?
 
ghsh1996 said:
Your welcome :) I cannot handle the sound because it make me dizzy and cunfusing. my brain get hurt. People dont understand how I feel. I am adult and I say no I wont wear hearing aid or CI period. I rather be deaf and have peace! If I have a child who is deaf. I will leave him or her alone.
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Yeah, I totally understand. I don't blame you for not handin' the sounds. I can't handle the sounds, either when I decided to quit wearin' HAs at the age of 11. Oh, yeah - that darn " noise " pollution thing I couldn't handle very well. I would imagine it as of today, the " noise " pollution is gettin' worse than my old days.

I am glad you are makin' a wise decision by leavin' your child alone, if your child is deaf. I agree ! :thumb: That's MORE nature, I believe in. Bein' deaf is blessed !
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
and if ur child's deaf.. and want to have CI.. would u let them?
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I will tell my child that I dont have money to buy CI. Our insurance wont cover this. I will teach my child to accept deaf and make sure child understand. I can give my child a hearing aid to see how he or she feel. Honest I will never have deaf child.
 
CyberRed said:
Yeah, I totally understand. I don't blame you for not handin' the sounds. I can't handle the sounds, either when I decided to quit wearin' HAs at the age of 11. Oh, yeah - that darn " noise " pollution thing I couldn't handle very well. I would imagine it as of today, the " noise " pollution is gettin' worse than my old days.

I am glad you are makin' a wise decision by leavin' your child alone, if your child is deaf. I agree ! :thumb: That's MORE nature, I believe in. Bein' deaf is blessed !
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Thank you for support my side! I do support your side! :hug:
 
Cloggy said:
Because I can see that for a deaf person it's natural to start communicating with ASL. Depending on the amount of hearing loss, speech can be started at the same time. But without hearing anything, learning to speak has it's problems.
Problems that are overcome by training and can result in good speech.
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The funny thing is that I never had speech training growing up but am told that I have a very clear, non nasal voice. My mother had a philosophy of not correcting me growing up and wanted me to learn to speak as freely and naturally I could. That's why when I see remarks about being "forced" to speak I think it was never the case for me. It just happened naturally.

What is speech therapy like? I have a vision of a teacher saying a word and then commanding the child (in my vision wearing head phones) to repeat back until she has got it exactly right. Not exactly my idea of fun. But I'm sure that this image must be very outdated. Can someone set me straight and give an idea what a speech therapy lesson is like for a child today?
 
R2D2 said:
The funny thing is that I never had speech training growing up but am told that I have a very clear, non nasal voice. My mother had a philosophy of not correcting me growing up and wanted me to learn to speak as freely and naturally I could. That's why when I see remarks about being "forced" to speak I think it was never the case for me. It just happened naturally.

What is speech therapy like? I have a vision of a teacher saying a word and then commanding the child (in my vision wearing head phones) to repeat back until she has got it exactly right. Not exactly my idea of fun. But I'm sure that this image must be very outdated. Can someone set me straight and give an idea what a speech therapy lesson is like for a child today?
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So far I can only tell you what they do for an infant. It's kind of amazing to know that they actually give speech therapy to an infant. My daughter is 4 months and they basically play with her. When they show her a toy, the give the toy a name and say what sound it makes. So they say, here is a rattle, and then they say shake, shake, shake. Then they sing songs and show something from that song, so for twinkle twinkle little star we point to a star. They basically wait for her to babble and then sing some more. They want her to learn that if she makes a sound, something happens. They do turn taking, so we look very silly, but we babble a lot back at her, or just pretend she is telling us a story. They try to say words in different pitches to see what she hears. Basically with the songs, the goal is down the line is when I sing twinkle twinkle little star to her, instead of looking at me, she turns her head to the star which is across the room. This way they know she understood what I was saying to her.

Hopefully someone else can give more input for an older child.
 
2kids1hoh said:
So far I can only tell you what they do for an infant. It's kind of amazing to know that they actually give speech therapy to an infant. My daughter is 4 months and they basically play with her. When they show her a toy, the give the toy a name and say what sound it makes. So they say, here is a rattle, and then they say shake, shake, shake. Then they sing songs and show something from that song, so for twinkle twinkle little star we point to a star. They basically wait for her to babble and then sing some more. They want her to learn that if she makes a sound, something happens. They do turn taking, so we look very silly, but we babble a lot back at her, or just pretend she is telling us a story. They try to say words in different pitches to see what she hears. Basically with the songs, the goal is down the line is when I sing twinkle twinkle little star to her, instead of looking at me, she turns her head to the star which is across the room. This way they know she understood what I was saying to her.

Hopefully someone else can give more input for an older child.
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Where to begin.
Lotte is having 3 hours per week lessons from a specialist. This is mailnly games and playing with dolls. Names for the dolls are the "Lings" sounds that are a norn for deaf/hoh children. Then moving on with that.
It's all play for Lotte and she enjoys it tremendously. (Looks like I spelled that worng.)
Some sounds are difficult. Like the "F", the "K" and some others.
But then we do a reality check and realise that she is talking like a child that has been hearing for 1½ years. As long as she has CI.

Again, good specialists can come up with lots of games that are excellent to learn speech. And you have to be alert.
There are experts in the kindergarten of Lotte where we would not allow Lotte to be taught by. With HA it is different than with CI and some experts traet them the same.
Like my wife said - Often we feel that we know more about it that the so-called experts..
 
2kids1hoh said:
So far I can only tell you what they do for an infant. It's kind of amazing to know that they actually give speech therapy to an infant. My daughter is 4 months and they basically play with her. When they show her a toy, the give the toy a name and say what sound it makes. So they say, here is a rattle, and then they say shake, shake, shake. Then they sing songs and show something from that song, so for twinkle twinkle little star we point to a star. They basically wait for her to babble and then sing some more. They want her to learn that if she makes a sound, something happens. They do turn taking, so we look very silly, but we babble a lot back at her, or just pretend she is telling us a story. They try to say words in different pitches to see what she hears. Basically with the songs, the goal is down the line is when I sing twinkle twinkle little star to her, instead of looking at me, she turns her head to the star which is across the room. This way they know she understood what I was saying to her.

Hopefully someone else can give more input for an older child.
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Actually I did have a lot of that as a child. It goes to show that they fooled me huh? I always thought that speech therapy was something very formal.

When I was older I still had the support from the specialists. They came to my school and we just made small talk and then went through the issues at school. For example I told them that I didn't get anything out of music lessons and found them tedious and they made the arrangements for me to no longer have them. If I had a problem with a teacher they would go and personally talk to that teacher and work through the issues.

It felt like having a friend coming to the school because a lot of the time the talk was friendly and relaxed.
 
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