Hypocrisy in Six Flags' Deaf Awareness Day?

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kokonut said:
Oh for the love of god, now the crux of your complaint finally boils down to one word, "hypocrisy" rather than seeing the problem that Six Flags failed to see? Ever noticed I put a question mark at the end of my subject heading which could signify that it wouldn't be that but for another reason like...ignorance?
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The problem with your argument lies with the fact that we dont know if Six Flags purposefully ignored any request or it wasnt just brought up to their attention.

Why not start out something on a positive note?
 
shel90 said:
How is that? Just curious...never seen that point of view on oral deaf.

I have always accepted myself as an oral deaf as a deaf person who didnt know sign language growing up. Never thought of myself as inable to communicate aurally even thought my communication wasnt really 100%.
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That's because those who can communicate aurally are described as oral-aural deaf rather than oral deaf.
 
kokonut said:
That's because those who can communicate aurally are described as oral-aural deaf rather than oral deaf.
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New terminology for me. I will tell the school audiologist that. She still calls deaf/hoh people who dont know sign language "oral" deaf/hoh people.
 
shel90 said:
The problem with your argument lies with the fact that we dont know if Six Flags purposefully ignored any request or it wasnt just brought up to their attention.

Why not start out something on a positive note?
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What argument did I present?
 
Use a positive tone before you use a negative tone. It works.
 
kokonut said:
What argument did I present?
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Hypocrisy in Six Flags' Deaf Awareness Day?
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At best, this "deaf and hard of hearing" awareness day looks to be more one sided and not a real "melting pot" of deaf and hard of hearing people of various communication preferences. At worst, it's a continued discriminatory practice
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kokonut said:
This thread was to highlight a glaring gap found at Six Flags, namely they miss the larger demographics of people with hearing loss that do not use or know sign language on a day they proudly proclaim "Deaf and Hard of Hearing Awareness Day." If they truly believe in raising that awareness then they should've hired a better person who'd understand communication needs for those who know sign language or don't.
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sounds more like an accusation rather than bringing up an issue.
 
FWIW, I have seen this exact predicament time and time again throughout the course of my life.

You can either take it for what its worth ... or pass. The Hearing Impaired Individuals that I know, family and friends, as well as my own experience, has taught me that HoH people tend to get a hell of a lot more frustrated than the deaf. It may have to do with relying on information with faulty auditory receptacles .... one learns not to trust what one hears.

Well, if you cannot trust what you hear, how can you trust other people? Then, there is a childhood full of being mainstreamed because you are not considered to be "deaf" and therefore, categorized with hearing people. You are taught by your peers that you are slow and stupid.

You get frustrated because you know you are not and you get easily upset by minor things. You are treated much differently by your hearing peers because you can talk, but not respond on the same level of communication that a hearing person can.

Then, you go and look for employment after barely passing hearing mainstreamed schools. Can't answer the phone? But you can talk? I guess that means a lifetime of manual labor for you .... try to speak up? Ah! you misunderstood the conversation .... you didn't hear what I said right .... you got it all wrong .... No, I never said that ..... what did he say? Never mind, its not important .....

You get beat down ... a lot.
 
To sum it up, being hard of hearing is being stuck between the hearing and deaf worlds. Not hearing enough to be hearing, not deaf enough to be deaf.
 
Steinhauer said:
FWIW, I have seen this exact predicament time and time again throughout the course of my life.

You can either take it for what its worth ... or pass. The Hearing Impaired Individuals that I know, family and friends, as well as my own experience, has taught me that HoH people tend to get a hell of a lot more frustrated than the deaf. It may have to do with relying on information with faulty auditory receptacles .... one learns not to trust what one hears.

Well, if you cannot trust what you hear, how can you trust other people? Then, there is a childhood full of being mainstreamed because you are not considered to be "deaf" and therefore, categorized with hearing people. You are taught by your peers that you are slow and stupid.

You get frustrated because you know you are not and you get easily upset by minor things. You are treated much differently by your hearing peers because you can talk, but not respond on the same level of communication that a hearing person can.

Then, you go and look for employment after barely passing hearing mainstreamed schools. Can't answer the phone? But you can talk? I guess that means a lifetime of manual labor for you .... try to speak up? Ah! you misunderstood the conversation .... you didn't hear what I said right .... you got it all wrong .... No, I never said that ..... what did he say? Never mind, its not important .....

You get beat down ... a lot.
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I feel you but we all know this. this happens to pretty much all of us and anybody who is deaf/hoh/etc.
 
Steinhauer said:
FWIW, I have seen this exact predicament time and time again throughout the course of my life.

You can either take it for what its worth ... or pass. The Hearing Impaired Individuals that I know, family and friends, as well as my own experience, has taught me that HoH people tend to get a hell of a lot more frustrated than the deaf. It may have to do with relying on information with faulty auditory receptacles .... one learns not to trust what one hears.

Well, if you cannot trust what you hear, how can you trust other people? Then, there is a childhood full of being mainstreamed because you are not considered to be "deaf" and therefore, categorized with hearing people. You are taught by your peers that you are slow and stupid.

You get frustrated because you know you are not and you get easily upset by minor things. You are treated much differently by your hearing peers because you can talk, but not respond on the same level of communication that a hearing person can.

Then, you go and look for employment after barely passing hearing mainstreamed schools. Can't answer the phone? But you can talk? I guess that means a lifetime of manual labor for you .... try to speak up? Ah! you misunderstood the conversation .... you didn't hear what I said right .... you got it all wrong .... No, I never said that ..... what did he say? Never mind, its not important .....

You get beat down ... a lot.
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I can totally relate even though I was born deaf. I was treated like a hearing person and worked my ass off to be like a hearing person only to fail and I didnt fit in with the Deaf world because I didnt know sign language.

Been there with the employers as well despite my good speech skills when in the first place was supposed to get me "more opportunities".

I can totally empathsize which is why if I was wrong with my use of words, then I am more than happy to change them as I havent been in the hearing world full time in about 10 years now.

*excuse my misspellings*
 
kokonut said:
Oral deaf implies the inability to communicate aurally. Applying "oral deaf" to all deaf/hh people is incorrect. Late deafened people do not even fit in that category in the first place.
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Might want to inform every single Deaf and HoH agencies out there. They're still using "oral deaf" to describe anyone that speak and has a hearing loss.
 
shel90 said:
I can totally relate even though I was born deaf. I was treated like a hearing person and worked my ass off to be like a hearing person only to fail and I didnt fit in with the Deaf world because I didnt know sign language.

Been there with the employers as well despite my good speech skills when in the first place was supposed to get me "more opportunities".

I can totally empathsize which is why if I was wrong with my use of words, then I am more than happy to change them as I havent been in the hearing world full time in about 10 years now.

*excuse my misspellings*
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Your amongst friends .... I won't correct your "speech" or misspellings :cool2: ;)
 
Maybe instead of calling it Deaf and Hard of Hearing Awareness day they should call it sign language day or ASL day. That would seem more appropriate if they are only accommodating the folks that know ASL.
 
rockdrummer said:
Maybe instead of calling it Deaf and Hard of Hearing Awareness day they should call it sign language day or ASL day. That would seem more appropriate if they are only accommodating the folks that know ASL.
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I dunno. I grew up with DHH being tied heavily to "sign language." People who didn't have sign language were called "hearing-impaired" instead. I don't think anyone actually thought it about until a few people decide to speak up about it.

Go figures.
 
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