Hillary or Obama?

I was watching the President's State of the Union speech tonight. Sometimes the camera would pan to Hillary, Obama, and Teddy. Hillary was very nicely dressed and made up but she totally spoiled it by her facial expression. Every time the camera caught her, she looked constipated. What a crabapple.

Obama and Teddy were sitting together like two sweethearts. Blah! Just 18 months ago Teddy couldn't even get Obama's name right (He called him Osama Bin Laden during a speech.)

I heard Teddy and his druggie son Patrick make their endorsement speeches for Obama today. Teddy sounded drunk, and Patrick sounded high. I suspect there's more behind their endorsement of Obama than what meets the eye. Maybe a cushy position for Patrick on Obama's presidential staff? :hmm:

Or are they so sick of the Clintons that they'll do anything to tick them off? :dunno:
 
Thank you for providing the link as it was stated in the link that Canadians had to wait, plus there was statistics of people waiting for their surgeries..

Did you check the date of link before you provided here? I looked your link. It says 1999.
Re-read your link.
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/reprint/160/10/1469.pdf

My link with many Canadian's positive comments, I provided you in previous post dated July 2007.

Again, please re-read Canadian's positive comments.
What Countries Have Universal Health Care? - Gadling

You need to listen Canadians's to real life experience situation than listen media or whatever.


Secondly...do you really believe everything that Michael Moore says in his documentary? Remember that documentaries are a matter of opinion. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, just neither. And Michael Moore is a 'flamer' just like you , me and everyone else on these boards. :giggle:

:confused: Many Canadia's positive comments are not Michael Moore. I really has no idea where you get it from?

I know I am going to get h*** for saying this but if the individual thinks its too much to have their families health covered for that amount of money is too much then that particular individual doesn't have their family's best interest at heart.

Insurance costs money. Period. If you want the best for your family, you will shell out money for the best. If not, then don't complain. You get what you pay.

wow, I am total speechless over your comment here. I feel really bad for Americans who want to have healthy insurance for their family's safety but they cannot afford.
 
Speechless because that's your opinion, I respect that :)

I am surprised that you didn't know that the people with no legs or arms can acheive their own life and have family. They can do everything like we (deaf) are. I am surprised that you think they can't but they can do like we deaf can do anything.

The people with no arms and can write with their feet and can take care of their baby with their feet - go shopping, normal life like everyone...

The people with no legs and can write with their mouth and paint with their mouth... and can take care of their baby with their arms - go shopping like normal life ...
 
I am surprised that you didn't know that the people with no legs or arms can acheive their own life and have family. They can do everything like we (deaf) are. I am surprised that you think they can't but they can do like we deaf can do anything.

The people with no arms and can write with their feet and can take care of their baby with their feet - go shopping, normal life like everyone...

The people with no legs and can write with their mouth and paint with their mouth... and can take care of their baby with their arms - go shopping like normal life ...

Where did I say that I didn't know that those people was unable to support themselves?

Of course, I do know they can support themselves, but was it easy? Of course not, also the governments shouldn't pressure them to do so.

My opinion, those people who suffered a cause them unable to work premanent(sp?) have nothing to be blame on, it was the governments, AND those people without disablity who was working too.

The reason why I blame governments for those people who suffered by health issue that stopped them from working premanent(sp?) is because the government was the one who create the ecomonic, causing the population boom, create many things that give the disability people harder time to deal with.

And for the workers, usually.... Sad but true, if the manager look at two applications, one application was from a person who wasn't disablity, and other application was from a person that are disablity, the manager would pick the application from a person who doesn't have disablity over the application that was from a person that are disablity, so that the manager can have a good quality of service. It's just that how it works.

No wonder so many of people who are disablity was having so hard time to find a job.
 
Where did I say that I didn't know that those people was unable to support themselves?

Of course, I do know they can support themselves, but was it easy? Of course not, also the governments shouldn't pressure them to do so.

My opinion, those people who suffered a cause them unable to work premanent(sp?) have nothing to be blame on, it was the governments, AND those people without disablity who was working too.

The reason why I blame governments for those people who suffered by health issue that stopped them from working premanent(sp?) is because the government was the one who create the ecomonic, causing the population boom, create many things that give the disability people harder time to deal with.

And for the workers, usually.... Sad but true, if the manager look at two applications, one application was from a person who wasn't disablity, and other application was from a person that are disablity, the manager would pick the application from a person who doesn't have disablity over the application that was from a person that are disablity, so that the manager can have a good quality of service. It's just that how it works.

No wonder so many of people who are disablity was having so hard time to find a job.

Oh I got your point. Unfortunlately yes, it's sad fact... :(

I thought you don't know because of your own word..."Also about the low income people, well, how can a person, who have no arms, get a job and paying the health insurance all by her/himself?"

Yes, we work to pay taxes and social insurance to help the people who are unable to go work etc... I see no problem for that because I got the equal treat as them... no need extra insurances for myself... what I work to pay taxes and social insurances is including for myself.
 
Oh I got your point. Unfortunlately yes, it's sad fact... :(

I thought you don't know because of your own word..."Also about the low income people, well, how can a person, who have no arms, get a job and paying the health insurance all by her/himself?"

Yes, we work to pay taxes and social insurance to help the people who are unable to go work etc... I see no problem for that because I got the equal treat as them... no need extra insurances for myself... what I work to pay taxes and social insurances is including for myself.

Ohh that, my word, thank you for reminding my word :)

I got your point... The people with disablity do need other "normal" workers's help, we should be treat very equal. With you on this one. :)
 
German HealthCare isn't what it's cracked up to be:

Whining on the Rhine: Pharmas React to Germany's Prescription Drug Reform. As many know, Germany's healthcare reform has been in the works for years and for as many years Germany's pharmaceutical industry (that includes many global companies) has been fighting the changes as unfair. The Wall Street Journal reported this week ("German Curbs on Drug Costs Rile Big Brands" -Monday May 2, 2005), on the affect of German health care reforms on the pharmaceutical industry, specifically the reference pricing on drugs recently instituted to cull costs. The drug formulary and reimbursement plan will favor drugs that are available as generics or in cheaper dispensing forms.


"The ministry decided last year it would no longer cover the higher prices of branded drugs that it deemed to have the same medical efficacy as available generics. So the commision drew up a list of drugs that it won't pay full price to cover."

The reform was undertaken for good reason. Germany was spending almost as much per capital on healthcare as the United States, yet with higher unemployment rates and inefficiency. The goal of the reforms is to reduce by 23 billion the annual 142 billion Euros spent on statutory health funds. The healthcare system, largely funded by the state, is bloated and corrupt. Health fraud and corruption among doctors, insurance funds and drug companies was costing the country up to 1 billion euros per year. The Financial Times reported about the widespread fraud in a July 13, 2003 article in Comments and Analysis ("Fraud is a very serious problem - and one that is getting worse all the time': German Health Care Reform"). Hundreds of doctors, as well as insurers and equipment companies were involved in multi-million Euro schemes. The pharamaceutical companies, the article notes, were not above the fray:

"...four large drug retailers and 250 specialist doctors, mostly radiologists and urologists, are under investigation over kickback payments"
..And another investigation revealed:

"Some 1,600 doctors and 270 sales representatives of a German branch of the former SmithKline Beecham are under investigation in a bribes scandal...The company is accused of paying doctors across Germany up to Euros 25,000 each, often as gifts or holidays - including trips to the 1998 football World Cup in France - in exchange for using its drugs"
Although the pharmaceuticals interests are clearly to maintain market share of their name brand drugs, the pharma industry has couched their fears differently at different times. Bernd Wegener, chairman of the BPI association of pharmaceutical companies, as quoted by Hugh Williamson of the Financial Times May 15, 2003 ("Drug Industry Attacks German Health Care Reforms"), said that the reforms were "a severe blow for patients" because they would push up the cost of many drugs.

The response has been sometimes been dramatic, sometimes over the top, sometimes babbling. One title in MMW -Fortschritte der Medizin (Germany, Nov. 2001) noted in a crypically translated title: "Drug manufacturer on the savings package of Ulla Schmidt [Health Minister]: Grip in the moth box of planned economics"

The pharmaceutical companies have naturally been actively lobbying against the reform measures with direct appeals to the Chancellor, lawsuits that challenge the changes, and direct campaign efforts by the pharmaceutical industry to politicians, patients and physicians. Philip Burchard, the head of AstraZeneca PLC's business in Germany, quoted by WSJ spoke ominously of the affects on the pharmaceuticals:

"It's actually a pretty disastrous thing for us...In a way, it's like losing your patents because your forced to reduce your price."
Or being exposed to open market competition.

The costs savings at stake for the German government are significant. Lipitor (Pfizer) is one of the drugs that is targeted, as the generic Simvastatin, introduced in 2003 is being favored by the German government as a cheaper cholesterol reducing drug. The patients are responding by increasingly choosing generics over brand name pharmaceuticals for cost reasons.

"German patients who used to get Lipitor free of charge at their local pharmacy now must pay almost $65 out of pocket for a three-month supply. Simvastatin, the generic that the commission says is comparable to Lipitor, is almost free to patients"

Despite all the howls from the pharmaceutical companies, they continue the post record sales profits year after year. Lipitor is one of many drugs with generic equivalents that the German government wants to save money on. Despite the threats from generics though, year after year Lipitor has led pharmaceutical sales both overall and in it's class. Last year (2004) Lipitor topped previous years with record revenues of 10.9 billion.


So everything isn't necessairly rosy in the Rhineland or as the article stated, "the Whineland".

Liebling writes:
wow, I am total speechless over your comment here. I feel really bad for Americans who want to have healthy insurance for their family's safety but they cannot afford

That is when it's time to look at one's family economics. Does your family really need the extra television set? Extra car? Extra x-box in little Johnny's bedroom? Some families need to get their economic priorities straightend out if they want the best healthcare. Sometimes it's simple as switching jobs/careers.

In my experience, the ones with the best healthcare packages are the union jobs and the sad thing is that union jobs are far and few in between.

Reba writes:
I was watching the President's State of the Union speech tonight. Sometimes the camera would pan to Hillary, Obama, and Teddy. Hillary was very nicely dressed and made up but she totally spoiled it by her facial expression. Every time the camera caught her, she looked constipated. What a crabapple.

Obama and Teddy were sitting together like two sweethearts. Blah! Just 18 months ago Teddy couldn't even get Obama's name right (He called him Osama Bin Laden during a speech.)

I heard Teddy and his druggie son Patrick make their endorsement speeches for Obama today. Teddy sounded drunk, and Patrick sounded high. I suspect there's more behind their endorsement of Obama than what meets the eye. Maybe a cushy position for Patrick on Obama's presidential staff?

Or are they so sick of the Clintons that they'll do anything to tick them off?

You saw that too?! :giggle: I was suprised that Obama was compared to JFK and endorsed by his daughter.

Interestingly enough, Matt Lauer interview the two of them together and he pointly asked Ted Kennedy if he was still friends with the Clintons and Ted said, "Yes".

It will be interesting to see the fall-out from that.
 
German HealthCare isn't what it's cracked up to be:

So everything isn't necessairly rosy in the Rhineland or as the article stated, "the Whineland".


:bowlol::bowlol::bowlol:

I laughed sooo hard... I living here in Germany and know German health system in real life...

Those links support my knowledge.

I never have any problem with German health system for years...

The German health care system has the reputation of being one of the best in the world. There is an extensive network of hospitals and doctors covering even the remotest areas of Germany.

Germany Guide: Introduction, The German health care system The German health care system has the reputation of.

The German Health System
German Health System - Health Care Provider Germany

US Health System Ranks Last Compared to Other Countries: Studies dated May 15, 2007
US Health System Ranks Last Compared to Other Countries: Studies - CommonDreams.org
 
The German health care system has the reputation of being one of the best in the world. There is an extensive network of hospitals and doctors covering even the remotest areas of Germany.

Germany Guide: Introduction, The German health care system The German health care system has the reputation of.
OK. Your link states:

"..The downside is that medical costs are high. Health care costs - for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines - are among the most expensive in the world. There is no such thing as "free" treatment in Germany, not even in state hospitals. All care, including emergencies, has to be paid for by you or your health insurance!

When coming to Germany, it is therefore extremely important to have a full health care insurance, as a serious illness could cause a financial disaster. In most cases, you will even be obliged to prove you have adequate cover. ..."
 
This link states:

"...But medical costs - for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines - are high - they are among the most expensive in the world.

The aim of the new reformed German health service to share the pain of reform with Germans forced to pay more out of their own pockets for medical care and additional big changes will be needed in the coming years to stem the costs of the system as the German population ages...."
 
US Health System Ranks Last Compared to Other Countries: Studies dated May 15, 2007
US Health System Ranks Last Compared to Other Countries: Studies - CommonDreams.org
Yes, it did state:

"...Britain got the top score in overall ranking among the countries in the study, followed by Germany. New Zealand and Australia tied for third followed by Canada and the United States...."

I find it ironic that you picked a source like Commondreams.org to support your viewpoint. They say about themselves:

"Common Dreams is a national non-profit citizens' organization working to bring progressive Americans together to promote progressive visions for America's future."



Let me think, where else have I seen that phrase "progressive" used recently? :hmm: Oh, yeah, during a debate Hillary Clinton said that she prefers to be called a "progressive." Interesting.
 
Every country on this planet has an healthcare problem including Germany...
:roll:

Liebling writes:
I never have any problem with German health system for years...

Good for you because I never had any problem with the American health care system either. Yet you laughed at the idea of the German health care system being bloated and corrupted and that doesn't bother you? That's scary!

Your link that you provided also stated:

"...But medical costs - for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines - are high - they are among the most expensive in the world.

The aim of the new reformed German health service to share the pain of reform with Germans forced to pay more out of their own pockets for medical care and additional big changes will be needed in the coming years to stem the costs of the system as the German population ages...."

Get ready because by then your healthcare won't be that great....

Anyway....

Hillary won Florida but unfortunately that won't assist her in getting the delegate nomination due to Florida and Michigan being penalized for moving their primaries early.
 
OK. Your link states:

"..The downside is that medical costs are high. Health care costs - for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines - are among the most expensive in the world. There is no such thing as "free" treatment in Germany, not even in state hospitals. All care, including emergencies, has to be paid for by you or your health insurance!

When coming to Germany, it is therefore extremely important to have a full health care insurance, as a serious illness could cause a financial disaster. In most cases, you will even be obliged to prove you have adequate cover. ..."


I told you many times that I do not complaint about pay more taxes and social insurances... *shrug* Many people aware about the difference health system between Europe and American and prefer EU health system over America.

I don't mind to pay more taxes and social insurances because I want to help my & other families including myself. :)


 
This link states:

"...But medical costs - for doctors, hospital stays and even medicines - are high - they are among the most expensive in the world.

The aim of the new reformed German health service to share the pain of reform with Germans forced to pay more out of their own pockets for medical care and additional big changes will be needed in the coming years to stem the costs of the system as the German population ages...."

Same as above. :)

Anyway, I learn from ADers that US heath insurance, they want to insure voluntarily is expensive than EU health system, that's how million Americans cannot afford to insure health coverage for themselves including family. I compare them and prefer EU health system because I can get everything what I need without hassle/stress.


 
Yes, it did state:

"...Britain got the top score in overall ranking among the countries in the study, followed by Germany. New Zealand and Australia tied for third followed by Canada and the United States...."

I find it ironic that you picked a source like Commondreams.org to support your viewpoint. They say about themselves:

"Common Dreams is a national non-profit citizens' organization working to bring progressive Americans together to promote progressive visions for America's future."



Let me think, where else have I seen that phrase "progressive" used recently? :hmm: Oh, yeah, during a debate Hillary Clinton said that she prefers to be called a "progressive." Interesting.

Excuse me, I CAN read all the links before provided here. The 2 links I provided over German health system support my claim. (You know my MANY posts in the past but you choose to ignore it). Anyway, other link, I provided about world health system ranking to show that the US health system are most expensive than EU health system because they don't have social or uniserval (sp) insurances for themselves. I really has no idea why you are complaint for? I only provided the fact links to positive brylie's misleading posts. *shrug*

And also you, too because you claimed in previous posts that it would be extra taxes for you if Hillary won at election. Look at workers/employees who cannot afford to join health coverage extra for themselves and their family. Look at me, I do not complaint that I pay more taxes and social insurance.


 
Every country on this planet has an healthcare problem including Germany...
:roll:

Of course I aware that the world health system are not alway prefect but I am glad that I get everything what I need without stress/hassle. If anyone suffer cancer or whatever, they do not need to make price offer to them but just save their life and send the bill to insurance companies for us is good. It does the same with Canadian and EU health system... We are happy what we get what we need that's why we do not complaint about pay more taxes and insurances.

Good for you because I never had any problem with the American health care system either.

Never? Do you have insurance coverage?
If not, what happened if you get severe health?
If yes, it's good that you can afford to insure health coverage, not other Americans because they cannot afford which is really sad...


Yet you laughed at the idea of the German health care system being bloated and corrupted and that doesn't bother you? That's scary!

No, I laughed at you who tried to negative Canadian health system then again German health system...... At first you tried to provide negative over Canada health system. I convinced you with Canadian's positive comments but you changed and provided German Health system. I provided the links to support my claim because they are fact. I live in Germany and know health system, not you. Canadian live in Canada and know their health system, not you. Anyway, I know ADers complaint about US health system in different threads. They want insure but they can't afford. The sad fact is the people including children have to die because their parents or they cannot afford to insure insurance coverage.

Get ready because by then your healthcare won't be that great....

Nope... :) It was started at long, long, long time ago.... I am satisfied what I have and get what I need.
 
We watch world journel news on TV yesterday. It's interesting to watch them...

Senator Edward Kennedy support Obama with his election. I has the feeling that Obama win at election this November. ? Wait and See...

They (reporters) interviewed Americans. Most Americans answered why they support Obama is because of his color skin... Because of his color skin... ??? :eek3: I wasn't realized that they are after Obama's skin color, not his positive political talk... :confused:
 
I have never had any problems with health insurance/care, etc, etc. and I have had it for 37 years.
 
We watch world journel news on TV yesterday. It's interesting to watch them...

Senator Edward Kennedy support Obama with his election. I has the feeling that Obama win at election this November. ? Wait and See...

They (reporters) interviewed Americans. Most Americans answered why they support Obama is because of his color skin... Because of his color skin... ??? :eek3: I wasn't realized that they are after Obama's skin color, not his positive political talk... :confused:

I believe, he reminds alot of Martin Luther King, Jr for American people.
 
I have never had any problems with health insurance/care, etc, etc. and I have had it for 37 years.


Me too, I had my health insurance over 26 years. I did not understand why alot of American people do not have their health insurance. Why can't they get a good jobs? They can't depend on government welfare, ssi and medicare rest of their life even they are in a good health.

Waste alot of my taxes. I was so shocked to see my paycheck, the state and federal deduct alot of amount out of my check. :pissed:
 
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