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i would like to share my opinion.....

I will strongly disagree and point out that by having people with strong religious convictions in the White House and in positions of leadership, it brings a moral fiber based on Judeo Christian values etc, but there is something so dangerous about that reason why GOD and Government do not mix, why the founding father knew what they were doing when separated church and the state. Bush said to James Robinson: "I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it." Do you see the problem here? If the President believes that God is giving him instructions concerning what to do, and he reads the Book of Revelation concerning prophecies of a nuclear struggle to hasten the return of Jesus Christ, then all of us will be caught up in conflict based not on political ideology, territorial claim, or even direct attack. I will be caught up in conflict based on religious beliefs, Biblical interpretation, and the inner feelings of people who believe that God is speaking directly to them. Weapons of mass destruction, allegiances with Al Queda, connections to 911 all become pretenses to cover the real reason for the crusade to come. God privately told our leaders. I have that problem with our president. Sadly, the military were using their newfound faith as a weapon. I am learning that fanatics in the religious world are truly not as faithful as they pretend to be. God moves in Mysterious ways, but not as mysterious as his mortal believers. "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
-- George W. Bush President can send your kids to battle were shown by inspired of GOD. I asked myself the question. Do I want my sons and daughter to give their lives for that man religious vision? No way. It is a good thing if you choose to believe in this God. If you choose to believe that George W. Bush is a man of God. This is a nightmare :nono:
 
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Take 2 aspirin and wait 45 minutes .. Then start drinking heavily :dizzy:
 
Amazingly when Bush became president, millions of other people also had a preminition of a national disaster happening. What an amazing coincidence!! :crazy:


Did God want Bush to be president? hmmmmmm .... If he did then this isn't a democracy and we don't really have free choice because God is working behind the seens to fix elections.....Is God going to pay Bush's national debt?
God going to create jobs?


Bush have a way of Using "God" as his Choice of Wrong Doing...And We all know that God did not make Bush do those things In America Today or the Past Three Years of Being The President. I do not think God did told Him to have a war and how he runs as a President Remember God says Love your Enemy wasn't Saddam Hussein’s Bush Enemy?

And not all.. Bush had Lied to us, Misleaded us..I am wondering if he thinks God made him do that too?

That is why it is best to keep Religious and Government Apart.
 
I think he's just trying to brainwash his citizens but not wont happen to all of 'em anyway :D
 
I agree with you, LUNZ. The government should not let religion get in the way. No one should let religion get in the way. That's a good point you made about him reading Revelations. I'm familiar with most of Revelations and I do see some similarities happening around the world. I'm also familiar with the prophecies and stories of how the world is going to end and what's happening today show signs of that. If this keeps up and Bush decides to follow religion, we'll have chaos.
 
:werd: i agree with Lunz and Vampy's comments -- they should definately be kept separate and Bush should not even be following religion to make his decisions on world events -- its crazy!!!!!!

like Vampy said -- it would cause chaos and hes right!
 
Chaotic is good for everyone when it happens... know why ? Because, it will bring everyone more closer and do care for one another by helpin' one another when they sees problems arise. It means that we, the people are on our own in despite of what the President is doin'. Maybe... I mean, maybe ONE DAY no other allies will help this America, because this America is goin' to be on its own. And, yes I've noticed some other countries despised our country for many reasons.

*sittin' under the stars while cookin' some marshmallow in the bonfire*
 
Trial Begins For Mother Accused Of Stoning Sons To Death

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Police say she called nine-one-one just after midnight May 10 and told a dispatcher, "I've just killed my boys."
Laney said God ordered her to kill the boys.


http://www.nbc5i.com/news/2956797/detail.html


that's other crap examples. :doh: :nono:
 
Here's the problem between Christianity and Christians; Christians don't always follow what the Bible teaches. Christianity is founded on the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus (which happen to be found in the Bible).
A Christian: follower of Christ. Follows the teachings of the Christ.

A woman who kills her children may be mentally ill, and from the looks of the article, she may be. She may claim "God told me to", but the truth is ... he didn't. Or at least, the Christian God didn't.

The Teachings of Jesus does not allow for people to stone children. In fact, we are not to judge the actions of others.

Keeping religion out of the government? or do you just mean Christianity.
It doesn't matter who prime minister is... (I mean president)... you are going to have moral biases. Pro choice or Pro Life. For or Againts Homosexuality. For or against organized religion. You have a govenor who openly stated "organized religion is a crutch for the weak minded". The stepping stones for forcing me to abandon my belief? In such an open minded society, why are people so closed to Christianity, and other forms of organized religion. As an enlightened individual, is it fair to agressively attack the beliefs of another?

Maybe democracy is wrong then... cause it was the American people who voted Bush in. It can be the American people who vote him out. You will never please every individual.

At the end of the day it shouldn't matter who is running your country, as long as that individual has the country's best interest in mind. Make it safe, and as free as possible for everyone to enjoy life, and allow other countries to live free also, and not be a "big bully". And the individual shouldn't allow their personal beliefs to get in the way, whether they are Christian, Jewish, Wiccan, Atheist, or whatever. But it is hard as an individual to not let your beliefs guide you, no matter how strongly religious you are.

The seperation of Church and State was to avoid what the Irish go through. religious war. Catholics Vs Prodestants.

I would rather have a leader who would take a stand on something, Whether I agreed or not, than one who would be swayed by the winds of chance.

In the end, the point you have made would exclude you from being in high authority, since you have strong beliefs.

I would rather have you Lunz, as president, even though I disagree with you most of the time, because in the end you would be willing to stand for what you believed in. Rather than some flake who had no opinion on anything.
 
=DreamSlayer]Here's the problem between Christianity and Christians; Christians don't always follow what the Bible teaches. Christianity is founded on the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus (which happen to be found in the Bible).
A Christian: follower of Christ. Follows the teachings of the Christ.
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All that is required to avoid this is for the world to follow Jesus. And the good part is that it is perfectly acceptable to follow Jesus without getting involved in any kind of religion and without even mentioning Jesus name. Isn't that great. To follow Jesus you don't have to become a Christian.

What is the way to salvation that Jesus has shown us and that Christianity has rejected much to its own shame. Well let's look

Matthew 6:33 Seek first the Kingdom of God.

Very specific. Before you do anything, don’t go looking for a church , or a Bible, or a teacher. The very first thing you must do is seek the Kingdom of God.So you say. How do I do that ?

Luke 17:21 The Kingdom of God is within you.

So what are we doing here. Jesus said he was the way. In other words if we followed him we would find the way. Here is your chance to follow him. He just told you that the first thing you must do is look within yourself for the kingdom of God. That's the way.

This is not something that religion is comfortable with. Christians have told me that I would open my mind to devils if I looked within myself for the kingdom of God. Yet Jesus said that is exactly what you must do.
And the same trouble you will have with religious people today Jesus had with them then when he taught his way.

A woman who kills her children may be mentally ill, and from the looks of the article, she may be. She may claim "God told me to", but the truth is ... he didn't. Or at least, the Christian God didn't.
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mentally ill? it didnt say anything, but she thinks he did. why she said that?

The Teachings of Jesus does not allow for people to stone children. In fact, we are not to judge the actions of others.
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Jesus Will Kill Children
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)

i know jesus is not do that, but why it said in bible?



Keeping religion out of the government? or do you just mean Christianity.
It doesn't matter who prime minister is... (I mean president)... you are going to have moral biases. Pro choice or Pro Life. For or Againts Homosexuality. For or against organized religion. You have a govenor who openly stated "organized religion is a crutch for the weak minded". The stepping stones for forcing me to abandon my belief? In such an open minded society, why are people so closed to Christianity, and other forms of organized religion. As an enlightened individual, is it fair to agressively attack the beliefs of another?
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i understand about moral biases. i have no plm, but have plm with weak minded who still sleep. i just try to light on them.
Maybe democracy is wrong then... cause it was the American people who voted Bush in. It can be the American people who vote him out. You will never please every individual.
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i like anicent greek system as democracy, not today.

At the end of the day it shouldn't matter who is running your country, as long as that individual has the country's best interest in mind. Make it safe, and as free as possible for everyone to enjoy life, and allow other countries to live free also, and not be a "big bully". And the individual shouldn't allow their personal beliefs to get in the way, whether they are Christian, Jewish, Wiccan, Atheist, or whatever. But it is hard as an individual to not let your beliefs guide you, no matter how strongly religious you are.
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i dont like who running our country. They are royal genes. These bloodlines became the leaders and the Royal lines of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area. The focus in the ancient world of these bloodlines appears to be in Babylon, and eventually they moved their epicenter to Rome. And it was when they were in Rome, epicentering in Rome, that we had the Great Roman Empire. At that point, this group-call it the Illuminati, for want of a better word-these bloodlines, in other words, moved their epicenter at an operational level, because it has other levels all around the world, but at an operational level, the spider in the center of the pyramid became London.


In the end, the point you have made would exclude you from being in high authority, since you have strong beliefs.

I would rather have you Lunz, as president, even though I disagree with you most of the time, because in the end you would be willing to stand for what you believed in. Rather than some flake who had no opinion on anything.
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This is not about my opinion. This is about clarify between govt vs. religious which they cant mix and its really danger. use your common sense. Read it again. i just try to open your blindfold. According the bible said, it better to be sepearte, period. you may disgreed with me. that is fine with me as long as you understand my point based my issue which bush cant do that. Many of those "non-believers" may well say: "It's just not possible, far too complex a plan for the world's population to become manipulated and controlled without everyone knowing about it." It may be that others are simply too afraid to allow this fearsome truth into their reality. Whatever the reason, none have genuinely looked. They have not looked with an open mind, an open heart and with the honest intention of finding out the absolute truth.
See the truth and the truth shall set you free.
 
LUNZ said:
All that is required to avoid this is for the world to follow Jesus. And the good part is that it is perfectly acceptable to follow Jesus without getting involved in any kind of religion and without even mentioning Jesus name. Isn't that great. To follow Jesus you don't have to become a Christian.

What is the way to salvation that Jesus has shown us and that Christianity has rejected much to its own shame. Well let's look

Matthew 6:33 Seek first the Kingdom of God.

Very specific. Before you do anything, don’t go looking for a church , or a Bible, or a teacher. The very first thing you must do is seek the Kingdom of God.So you say. How do I do that ?

Luke 17:21 The Kingdom of God is within you.

So what are we doing here. Jesus said he was the way. In other words if we followed him we would find the way. Here is your chance to follow him. He just told you that the first thing you must do is look within yourself for the kingdom of God. That's the way.

This is not something that religion is comfortable with. Christians have told me that I would open my mind to devils if I looked within myself for the kingdom of God. Yet Jesus said that is exactly what you must do.
And the same trouble you will have with religious people today Jesus had with them then when he taught his way.

mentally ill? it didnt say anything, but she thinks he did. why she said that?


Jesus Will Kill Children
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)

i know jesus is not do that, but why it said in bible?




i understand about moral biases. i have no plm, but have plm with weak minded who still sleep. i just try to light on them.
i like anicent greek system as democracy, not today.

i dont like who running our country. They are royal genes. These bloodlines became the leaders and the Royal lines of that ancient Near and Middle Eastern area. The focus in the ancient world of these bloodlines appears to be in Babylon, and eventually they moved their epicenter to Rome. And it was when they were in Rome, epicentering in Rome, that we had the Great Roman Empire. At that point, this group-call it the Illuminati, for want of a better word-these bloodlines, in other words, moved their epicenter at an operational level, because it has other levels all around the world, but at an operational level, the spider in the center of the pyramid became London.




This is not about my opinion. This is about clarify between govt vs. religious which they cant mix and its really danger. use your common sense. Read it again. i just try to open your blindfold. According the bible said, it better to be sepearte, period. you may disgreed with me. that is fine with me as long as you understand my point based my issue which bush cant do that. Many of those "non-believers" may well say: "It's just not possible, far too complex a plan for the world's population to become manipulated and controlled without everyone knowing about it." It may be that others are simply too afraid to allow this fearsome truth into their reality. Whatever the reason, none have genuinely looked. They have not looked with an open mind, an open heart and with the honest intention of finding out the absolute truth.
See the truth and the truth shall set you free.
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That's a good point you made there. That's what I'm thinking to. People say that we should believe in the Bible. However, there are things in the Bible that many of us would consider unethical. So, who do we believe?

That's why I say that the Bible is just one big story. There hasn't been any actual documentation or proof that things have happened in the Bible. That's why the Bible isn't exactly taught as history.
 
After seeing that all of you agree that the Church and the State are to be kept separate, can you tell me why you are against gay marriages "because your religion forbids it?"
 
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After seeing that all of you agree that the Church and the State are to be kept separate, can you tell me why you are against gay marriages "because your religion forbids it?"
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who says "against gay marriage"? nobody talks about it. :wave:
 
I was just bringing up a point where a lot of people are hypocrites about this point of separating the church and the state. And judging from other threads, I do know that some of you were against gay marriages. *grin* how do you explain yourselves about separating your religious ideologies from the government system?
 
I know your opinions about it, but I am challenging the others to explain themselves.
 
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Keeping religion out of the government? or do you just mean Christianity.
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Religion. There are many religions, and essentially any two of them are mutually inconsistent. None of them has been show to be correct. How can a country that is supposed to be based on liberty use any religion to justify law or government action?
 
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