Gospel of Judas

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I am surprised this thread did not mention Gospel of Judas.

The discovery is quite interesting and challenges the thinking that Judas was a betrayer.

National Geographic will air the documentary tomorrow night.

I am definitely interested in seeing it.
 
Oh yes, I read it in newspaper that maybe historians will re-write the bible all over again - after all he was good man, a close friend of Jesus!!

It is too expensive to wipe out and do it all over again!!
 
MANY different gospels that showed things contrary to what the Church wanted people to know were left out of the bible. It just shows that if you can control the information, you can make people think/believe what you want. I think this is very enlightening.
 
Neecy, AMEN!!!!!!! (no pun intended) There's all that aprocrepea out there, (books that were orgionally part of the Bible in the beginning) that aren't any more. The Bible is NOT what God wants us to read.....but rather the Bible was selected by MAN for political reasons!
 
II Corinthians 11
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
*yawn*

Xians* are delusional.

*xians= christian fundamentalists who believe there are no contradictions, no errors - the Bible is 100% accurate and faith is more important than common sense.
 
Reba, it is a FACT that the early Grand High Poobahs of the early Christian churches, had TONS and TONS of books that weren't included b/c of political reasons.Christian fundies aren't getting the whole Word of God from back then.....they are simply given what a commitee of Grand High Poobahs thought they should get!
 
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deafdyke said:
Reba, it is a FACT that the early Grand High Poobahs of the early Christian churches, had TONS and TONS of books that weren't included b/c of political reasons.Christian fundies aren't getting the whole Word of God from back then.....they are simply given what a commitee of Grand High Poobahs thought they should get!
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Can you please document these "FACTs"?

Who were "the early Grand High Poobahs"?

Which "early Christian churches"?

What are the "TONS and TONS of books" that weren't included?

What were the "political reasons"?

Since you don't believe the Bible is the wholly inspired perfect Word of God, then what makes you think that the "TONS" of books that weren't included were any more truth than the ones that were?
 
Reba, u r right. And I agree. Many eagerly find a way to stop Gods work for slavation for all mankind. One they overlook what Jesus said, " Judas, its better if u weren't born". Why He said that? Bec its tragic, of Judas genuinely betrayed Him, many misunderstood what Jesus meant by saying " do what u have to do". The real reason, Jesus sees Judas plots and planned. And Judas amazed how Jesus knows. Judas and even disciples thought Jesus gonna wiped out Roman empire, but not. The purpose is Gods plan for salvation for all mankind. And many reject Him. The Bible is all recorded and there are some missing, but the whole message is already sufficients. The Bible is total accurate. There are many other documents of another religion can written to do many things. The whole truth is, if Christ isn't the answer, well, don't waste ur time thinking u r going to heaven. We wil still die in sin. Bec there is no shed blood to cover. And that's the whole point of the Gospel. Jesus is alive. As Jesus said, blesses is he who persevere in His name will be with Him forever. My performance or works doesn't make me go to heaven, but grace itself. Its interesting what they found, but sure did missed it. But regard, that will NOT change my faith. Smile
 
Reba said:
Since you don't believe the Bible is the wholly inspired perfect Word of God, then what makes you think that the "TONS" of books that weren't included were any more truth than the ones that were?
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The fact that there are. Ever heard of the Gnostic Gospels? The other 70-some books of the New Testament that the Catholic Church chose to delete because they portrayed Yeshua of Nazareth as a man rather than as a God?
 
If I went back in time and changed what books were put in the official bible, then Christians would be defending those books, such as the gospels of Thomas, Mary and Judas, and using II Corinthians 11:3 and Galatians 1:6 against some or all of those: Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, if I bothered to put II Corinthians and Galatians into the bible.

What Christians accept now is a product of what beliefs won out back then by successfully surpressing other beliefs.
 
RedFox said:
What Christians accept now is a product of what beliefs won out back then by successfully surpressing other beliefs.
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I could'nt have said it better myself.
 
Many are trying to find of all kinds of arguments about the Bible and finding proof. Many getting the wrong idea what Bible is. Many trying to pick a verse and ignored the other, and many thinking its conflict in the Bible, but isn't. What its written is written, its written. They are studying to see what's the whole message is about. Even, when Jesus came to His hometown, and asking themselves, is that the carpenter? Is that Josephs son? And anger begin to take over and try to stone Him. Because many knew Jesus in that town, but they are still shortsighted by Who He really is? All thru the old testaments explain who iz Messiah and tremendous other all which described Jesus and all the picture of old testaments matched the desciption of Jesus. Bible is no t just a book, its a Living Book. The Word of God is a lamp of my feet and light unto my path. Bible has sufficient message.
 
RedFox said:
If I went back in time and changed what books were put in the official bible, then Christians would be defending those books, such as the gospels of Thomas, Mary and Judas, and using II Corinthians 11:3 and Galatians 1:6 against some or all of those: Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, if I bothered to put II Corinthians and Galatians into the bible.
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I don't think you would've seen any of the letters of Paul if for some reason those other gospels had been accepted. Given that they refer to very clear doctrines espoused in the four gospels that WERE accepted (especially explicit in the Gospel of John), I'm almost sure they would've been thrown out on grounds of inconsistency with the rest of the canon. You would also not see many of the other epistles, especially not John's given that they show so many signs of being written by the same one who wrote the Gospel of John. Nor would you very likely see Hebrews, because that one expounds in greater depth on the connections between the Old and New Testaments. While tough to read, that one in particular is a linchpin that walks through the logic in what would have been very clear terms to the Jews of that time. In fact, I am not sure you would see any of the epistles or the book of Acts--anything that follows the four Gospels in our Bible had the apocryphal gospels somehow won out.

Reversing this to go back to what people are talking about now--the reason you don't see these other gospels, why they didn't make it, is really very simple and a lot less sinister than people make it out to be...it's just that they were rejected on grounds of inconsistency. Ancient people were not stupid. They may not have understood what we do of physical science but they knew logic and illogic when they saw it.

I would be willing to bet (though I would need much more study to be sure of it) that the gospels accepted into the Bible also show more consistency with the Old Testament as far the transition between the Old and New Covenants goes. While yes, the New Covenant does change the way we deal with some things in the Old, one can follow the logic as to how the two are connected and why one would necessitate the other. I don't think that same degree of consistency and purpose would show up between the apocryphal gospels and the Old Testament.

Again, that last paragraph is conjecture, but I have a feeling that was a major driver as to what did and didn't make it into the Bible.
 
Teresh said:
The fact that there are. Ever heard of the Gnostic Gospels? The other 70-some books of the New Testament that the Catholic Church chose to delete because they portrayed Yeshua of Nazareth as a man rather than as a God?
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Yes, I have heard of the Gnostic "gospels", apocrypha, deuterocanonical books, pseudepigrapha, etc.

My question was, "...what makes you think that the 'TONS' of books that weren't included were any more truth than the ones that were?"
 
My question was, "...what makes you think that the 'TONS' of books that weren't included were any more truth than the ones that were?"
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To gain more understanding of the religious conflicts in the first century. What makes you so sure that the New Testament is true anyway? Gnostic Gospels have different interpretation of Jesus and the Church did not like it and called for book burning.
 
Its not the church didn't like it, they looking with the leading of the holy spirit to make sure the key of the gospel. Those who doesn't have the Holy Spirit or ask for guidance will never understand the Bible, even its clear plus even noticed it isn't match what the Word of God is pointing at. If u stand before the crucifixion, who side are you the people and the religious mocking ar God and using theirpoint of views or the people who kept their faith in Christ which later witnessed the Risen Lord, during the resurrection, even the soldiers witnessed but religious leader paid them to keep quiet and fool people by saying they stole the body of Jesus?
 
Since you don't believe the Bible is the wholly inspired perfect Word of God, then what makes you think that the "TONS" of books that weren't included were any more truth than the ones that were?
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I don't.......however, there were reasons why they weren't included, and those reasons were political b/c the ones that were included allowed the Catholic church to retain its power and to play politics.
 
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