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Paul Harvey and Prayer

Paul Harvey says:

I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue
somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I
don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a
lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory
Of evolution.

Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be
endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer
Before a football game.

So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there
reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a
God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the
players on the field and the fans going home from the game.

"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue.

Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country
founded on Christian principles. According to our very
own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others
better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody
chanting Hare Krishna?

If I went to a football game in Jerusalem,
I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.


If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad,
I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer.


If I went to a ping pong match in China,
I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha.


And I wouldn't be offended.
It wouldn't bother me one bit.
When in Rome...

"But what about the atheists?" is another argument.

What about them?
Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to
pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If
that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear
plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand.
Call your lawyer!

Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or
two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do.
I don't think a short prayer at a football game is
going to shake the world's foundations.

Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other
cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our
parents and grandparents taught us to pray before
eating; to pray before we go to sleep.

Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a
handful of people and their lawyers are telling us
to cease praying.

God, help us.
And if that last sentence offends you,
well .. just sue me.

The silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we
let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard
.... that the vast majority don't care what they want. It
is time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't
have to pray; you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance;
you don't have to believe in God or attend services that
honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your
right. But by golly, you are no longer going to take our
rights away. We are fighting back .
and we WILL WIN!

God bless us one and all .. especially those who denounce
Him. God bless America, despite all her faults. She is still
the greatest nation of all.

God bless our service men who are fighting to protect
our right to pray and worship God.


May 2005 be the year the silent majority is heard
and we put God back as the foundation of our
families and institutions.

Keep looking up.



If you agree with this, please pass it on and God bless you .
 
Amen I sure agree with this....It doesn't bother me and it never does....
 
I agree....you know what really irks me about the whole situation though, people wanna sue and get their lil 30 seconds of fame, but when bad stuff happens like school shootings or 9/11 they wanna know where God was and why he let it happen...well hell, they are kicking him out everywhere so how is he supposed to protect us if he's unwanted. They kicked him out of the schools but yet people wanna know why he doesnt protect them. And I really get a kick out of the people that only go to church when bad stuff is going on in their life to "get religion" but quit as soon as everything is okay again.
 
Angel and Mlkshkgirl that is one another reason we can really say at the Thanksgiving table Thank you God for:

Leviticus 19:14 (King James Version)

Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.


God does really look out for All Deaf people and that in itself is AWESOME !!!! and The Lord God and Jesus Christ does heal Deaf people of deafness. It does happen. The real deal through the Lord Jesus Christ and God .....You have to pray asking the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart then ask God to heal you. Sometimes it happens instanteously and sometimes gradually. I need to let AD readers know Benny Hinn and another faith healers. I am suspicious and think they are out for money and I do not see any real healings because Jesus Christ healed many people and never once in the KJV Holy Bible asked for money for healings !!!!!!! We have God to thank for looking out for Deaf people all over the world Amen....I want to let you all AD readers know Jesus Christ and God does love all of you Deaf people
 
I don't think very highly of those "faith healers" who advertise their skills. While I have heard of healings happening, they tend to be quieter events. Often nobody is around when it happens, or the person being healed does not realize it until he/she goes back to the doctor to have whatever looked at. I once experienced a small healing for myself, and no one was around when it happened.

But sometimes I think we are not supposed to be healed from whatever is imperfect about us, because that thing may give us a needed, different perspective on life that we can use to teach others. I am not deaf, but I can see how that argument would apply to many conditions you could name.
 
Heath~

Awwwwww....your post is so nice!!!!!

I did pray to God to heal my hearing before and it didn't work even though I'm in a huge faith in God. I think God needs me to work with hearing people. I do want to help God on my mission. I've been very patient and am very good at it as strong handle it. I am not crying so hard for my hearing to be normal because I am very happy and God keeps blessing me in many ways.

Your post is sooo nice because you want to let other deaf people to know and it shows how much you really care for them. This is what I did in other posts about God. We all are in the same boat. :hug:

Momoftwo
 
Rose Immortal and Momoftwo ... God Bless You too !!! You are welcome. :)
 
*sigh*.......I am a person who does not follow Christianity or even follow any organized religion. This doesn't mean I am anti-Christian. Most of the nonreligious types I know, are not anti-Christian either. Well I mean sometimes, people can say some stuff that might be construred as anti.....but I know CHRISTIANS (and DEVOUT ones too!) who have said stuff that might be constructed as anti-christian. Yes, Christianity is the majority religion in our nation....but so what? We are NOT a theocracy. Many of the same folks who advocate prayer and the Bible in public schools would be horrified if their kids were exposed to teachings from other religions (especially non Judo-Christian ones)
I don't care if Christians pray in public. What I DO care about is the strong public support of it. Not everyone is a Christian. We need to accomondate EVERYONE, so we should be NEUTRAL towards expressions of religions.
And yes, the Bible says "pray without ceasing" but it ALSO says that the best place to pray is in a closet, just you and God. It's more important to have a close personal relationship with the Man Upstairs, then it is to publically express your faith.
 
No Offense but, This should be in Christianity, Religion, Spiritual & Other Beliefs which located in On-topic debates, Moderators, Can you please move this to the right section. Thanks! ;)


And by the way nice statement there Heath. :ty:
 
deafdyke said:
*sigh*.......I am a person who does not follow Christianity or even follow any organized religion. This doesn't mean I am anti-Christian. Most of the nonreligious types I know, are not anti-Christian either. Well I mean sometimes, people can say some stuff that might be construred as anti.....but I know CHRISTIANS (and DEVOUT ones too!) who have said stuff that might be constructed as anti-christian. Yes, Christianity is the majority religion in our nation....but so what? We are NOT a theocracy. Many of the same folks who advocate prayer and the Bible in public schools would be horrified if their kids were exposed to teachings from other religions (especially non Judo-Christian ones)
I don't care if Christians pray in public. What I DO care about is the strong public support of it. Not everyone is a Christian. We need to accomondate EVERYONE, so we should be NEUTRAL towards expressions of religions.
And yes, the Bible says "pray without ceasing" but it ALSO says that the best place to pray is in a closet, just you and God. It's more important to have a close personal relationship with the Man Upstairs, then it is to publically express your faith.
Deafdyke~:(

I wish you wouldn't say it as above. Your post sounds angry and harsh. Please be kind.

Momoftwo :tears:
 
Momoftwo said:
Deafdyke~:(

I wish you wouldn't say it as above. Your post sounds angry and harsh. Please be kind.

Momoftwo :tears:

I'm sorry but I don't see her being harsh or angry, all I see is she is expressing how she feels without insulting or disrespecting anyone.... Afterall Alldeaf is a forum where people express their feelings and she is right, not everyone here in Alldeaf believes in the same thing as most Christians do, so please show your respect for others who has different view/opinion regarding to any type of religious....

I'm Christian myself and I do keep an open mind on both sides, so you should do the same likewise....Lately it seems people jump in too quickly without reading it carefully....
 
Momoftwo said:
Angel~

God is sad after what this person said about praying.


I understand Momoftwo, I can see and read what things that are being said about God, yet I don't jump and attack on a member for speaking their mind on what they believe, I quietly pray for them is the best we can do and move on....

I have some friends who don't believe in God, yet that not going to stop me from being their friends....I have my own brielf and I keep it to myself not to share too much over the interent cause I don't like to debates on what I believe in and I don't need to learn about God on the internet either cause others can easy twisted His Words around, I rather to learn it from Chruch, from my christian friends and from reading my bible in RL.....I'm not like most of the Christian people on the interent who force others to believe and that's not me.....I only share what I know, and leave it to that...I know when to remain quiet when God tells me to.....God doesn't like to see people agrue back and fourth....A person need to accept Jesus on their own, not from people who push them to accept or to believe in Him... :)
 
Deafdyke is little harrash.. I've read your post repeatly carefully.. Yes she is feel angry but don't need come this thread first place.. If you like or not.. Just let it be..

AD'ers whoever likes to share their feel joyful and open the expression about God's words.

I do believe Jesus in my heart all the time.. Doesn't matter how's bad or good times each of days.. Still feel blessing from GOD everyday.

I believe this thread should be postive feedbacks but why bring negivate againist anyone who posting here.. Espically Deafdyke should have respect here..
Thank you very much for your time.. :ty:

Merry Christmas~
 
deafdyke said:
...And yes, the Bible says "pray without ceasing" but it ALSO says that the best place to pray is in a closet, just you and God. ..
Even if a closet is the "best place to pray" it is not the ONLY place to pray. Christians are to "pray without ceasing" but I don't think God expects us to stay in closets "without ceasing".
 
Ummm whatever....I'm simply trying to explain a non Christian's take on public prayer. One thing that some people do, is make it seem like those of us who are more secular, are automaticly anti-Christian. Many of us are trying NOT to be anti-Christian, but rather to promote a state of neutrality.
I'm not uncomfortable with public blessing or a moment of silenece.......but what I AM against is the presumption that EVERYONE is Christian.
Reba, it is true.....Jesus said that it's more important to pray in a closet and have a close personal relationship with God, then it is to parade trappings of the faith out in public. I'm not anti-grace or anti-good words or anti-good thoughts. I just think that in public situtions that people should be NEUTRAL towards religion. Not everyone at a public school is a Christian.......IYIYIYI....can't you guys undy what I'm saying?
 
One point to consider--not all prayer in public is just for display, which is what Jesus rightly called the Pharisees on. Sometimes a person really, genuinely needs it at that moment, and if that's the case, they probably don't care (and barely even realize) if other people are there. They're not presuming everybody is Christian--it's a matter of what they individually need to do at that time. There have been times I've prayed right before taking an exam, even though others are in the room. While I'm silent, I imagine someone could probably figure out that's what I am doing. It's not something I'm doing to show off, but because I need that calm for the task at hand.
 
Heath said:
The Lord God and Jesus Christ does heal Deaf people of deafness. It does happen. The real deal through the Lord Jesus Christ and God .....You have to pray asking the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart then ask God to heal you.

Heath,

I retired five years ago from the Christian ministry and I have a question to ask you. First, are you aware that God and Jesus Christ is one and the same? Refer to John 10:30. Second, you mentioned that "you have to pray..." Where in the Bible does it say that? Book, chapter and verse, please. Perhaps if you'd read your Bible and refer to Ephesians 2:8 instead of the likes of Benny Hinn, you would be able to stand up (Ephesians 6:13). Third, many deaf, as well as hard-of-hearing (hoh) people, like myself, consider your first sentence to be "fighting words." That is why there are people that are deaf and people that are Deaf. There is a difference, so I'll assume you already knew that.

Lastly, Heath, though your intentions are good, many deaf people feel that they don't need to be "healed" because this is how God made them. You can disagree or agree, or you can agree to disagree, which is the best option here for you. Seriously, Heath, think about it. Also, let me refer you to a poll I posted on the Cochlear Implant thread. Take a look at how many deaf people will not accept a CI and their views for such. On a personal note, I've had many people "lay their hands on me" for 'healing' for my hearing loss. It has only been within the last year that I've totally accepted myself for who and what I am and will never, ever again, allow Christian people to manipulate me into their mold. I've been bought with a price, but that does NOT give them the right to trample me, neither does it give them the right to trample the rights of deaf people.
 
By the way, the United States was NOT founded upon Christian principles. Reread your history.
 
pek1 said:
By the way, the United States was NOT founded upon Christian principles. Reread your history.

Bingo. Many of the founding fathers were actually Deists and Unitarians.
 
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