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It is just after you have stated your viewpoint. If they choose CI for themselves or their children, that is their choice to make.
 
C-NICE said:
It is just after you have stated your viewpoint. If they choose CI for themselves or their children, that is their choice to make.
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there's more to it then just "a choice" that choice has its consequences and ramifications on other human beings.
again and i know its difficult but try to grasp the idea, that you nor those parents live on this planet in a vacuum...

i'm not even challenging here with you the argument of autonomous choice,
people choose things all the time that harm others..
no argument here..
 
C-NICE said:
Facebook is in on it too. Wow they are everywhere.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=cochlear implant
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This one made my eyebrows lift at first. The first post on there is my post that shared of Cobi Sewell's vblog on his feeling of CI. Makes sense that it would be though, because it's just a search of the word cochlear implant. So of course "my" search results would my post first. Someone else would have different results.

Anyway, that video of Cobi Sewell's vblog? It was great. Very well thought message for both hearing and Deaf communities. As much as Hoichi likes to think he's like the Deaf defender or something.....his views are not held by ALL in Deaf culture.

I'll post it again in case you missed it. He's Deaf so he signs the whole thing but there are captions. https://www.facebook.com/cobisewell/posts/10207104536355925
 
The consequences for the adult are mainly their bodies. The parents are ultimately responsible for their children while they are children. Equating CIs with harming children is extreme. They are the kids parents you are not, they have those parental rights because they have the parental responsibilities to provide for their kids health, education & overall future. There is a difference between offering alternatives & interfering with parental actions.
 
ambrosia said:
This one made my eyebrows lift at first. The first post on there is my post that shared of Cobi Sewell's vblog on his feeling of CI. Makes sense that it would be though, because it's just a search of the word cochlear implant. So of course "my" search results would my post first. Someone else would have different results.

Anyway, that video of Cobi Sewell's vblog? It was great. Very well thought message for both hearing and Deaf communities. As much as Hoichi likes to think he's like the Deaf defender or something.....his views are not held by ALL in Deaf culture.

I'll post it again in case you missed it. He's Deaf so he signs the whole thing but there are captions. https://www.facebook.com/cobisewell/posts/10207104536355925
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i don't think that at all ambrosia..

did i ever state my views were held by ALL Deaf culture?
NO
i have repeatedly stated the opposite..
never ALL..
why slander me girl?

pls

engage what i actually do state, it snot asking much it really isn't, and i will do the same for you
thank you

if you even bothered to look at the cites i posted , which clearly you didnt. you would see i even recommended a work that favoured getting a CI from parents who got ci for their child..

yeah girl....
so pls..
lets be sincere with each other here and give each other their fair due..
that's all i ask
 
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C-NICE said:
The consequences for the adult are mainly their bodies. The parents are ultimately responsible for their children while they are children.
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yes, and it is the behaviour of language deprivation which is the harmful issue for the child, and can last a lifetime, once the fluency window is shut. as well as the actual CI device, that can lead to death and has lead to the death of children.
as well as other complications.

it has its risks,

and the numbers aren't very good for the success rates either.

C-NICE said:
Equating CIs with harming children is extreme.

given the evidence and what WE as a community have experienced i disagree.

C-NICE said:
They are the kids parents you are not, they have those parental rights because they have the parental responsibilities to provide for their kids health, education & overall future. There is a difference between offering alternatives & interfering with parental actions.
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im not interfering. im offering the alternative and that is my right to do so.

and WE state what is happening because of it...

freedom...
does the mind good
choice means more then one option available and presented..
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hoichi said:
i don't think that at all ambrosia..

did i ever state my views were held by ALL Deaf culture?
NO
i have repeatedly stated the opposite..
never ALL..
why slander me girl?

pls

engage what i actually do state, it snot asking much it really isn't, and i will do the same for you
thank you

if you even bothered to look at the cites i posted , which clearly you didnt. you would see i even recommended a work that favoured getting a CI from parents who got ci for their child..

yeah girl....
so pls..
lets be sincere with each other here and give each other their fair due..
that's all i ask
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Yes you most certainly have. I don't have to quote you, everybody has already read your posts. If you're not trying to imply that an idea isn't held by the culture at large, then change your language. When you use "we" "us" "our children" you're indicating group think. If it's something that YOU think/feel use "I", or at least "some of us".
 
ambrosia said:
Yes you most certainly have. I don't have to quote you, everybody has already read your posts. If you're not trying to imply that an idea isn't held by the culture at large, then change your language. When you use "we" "us" "our children" you're indicating group think. If it's something that YOU think/feel use "I", or at least "some of us".
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I HAVE NEVER STATED ALL DEAF SHARE MY OPINION!

all means everyone, and i don't hold that view.

nor have i ever stated that.
STOP SLANDERING ME!!

now lets go back to the way it was..

IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO STATE ABOUT ME
DON'T MENTION ME AT ALL!

thank you
 
hoichi said:
this is a typical CI propaganda video sharing the usual by the numbers characteristics of such pieces.
from choices delaware parents, on an ent ototlogist vid page, (obviously)
note the use of the word choice, which of course to Ci entities and oral organizations does not erman choice, it means one way..

it begins with a montage of the assimilated, the one time black children now bleached white..im sorry deaf children now assimilated and CI jacked in. (to steal a phrase form cochlear)

the 54 second mark a religious aural of silver clouds, a soothing blue sky in the background, with yellow txt. "the sky's the limit" a rather mannerist glow, lends itself to the typical jehovah witness literature or video piece for standard conversion approaches, as pushed by them and mso other cults.

then you see sam a toddler who was violated and drilled into at one years old,
then you a litany of 9 children all violated and drilled into at different ages, for the pockets of multi-nationals.

ending with the silver clouds amid soothing blue sky with slants of sunlight form above with yellow txt
thanking those involved and again repeating the lien the sky's the limit.
fade out..

well another to my collection of CI propaganda and related media..

as a piece its standard vanilla CI fetish porn using violated children to sell a product

nasty
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What about this
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A Deaf child who is being raised by hearing parents who are fluent in ASL?
 
I am not anti-ASL, I am just not going to have a nervous breakdown every time parents or adults choose A CI. I am one of the adults who will choose the CI and believe in its technology. If that means being assimilated assimilate me.
 
hoichi
Why spend so much time condemning the use of the CI in babies and very young kids when that effort could go into trying to expand the use of ASL (or the local sign language in other areas) along side of the CI?
 
ecp said:
What about this
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A Deaf child who is being raised by hearing parents who are fluent in ASL?
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sure..it happens.
NO one has ever denied this..i most certainly have not.
your a graduate student yet were unable to comprehend simple english in my posts on here?
i've never ever stated no kids with CI ever acquire sign....
we have entire organizations dedicated to this so, i'm not sure where your coming form, anyway
 
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Jane B. said:
hoichi
Why spend so much time condemning the use of the CI in babies and very young kids when that effort could go into trying to expand the use of ASL (or the local sign language in other areas) along side of the CI?
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because the money they get from you and those who support them is used against us..
its the same idea why spend years protesting logging companies who strip clear cut rainforests, and pollute rivers?
i'm not against lumber.....

no

its the behaviour of clear cutting and stripping rain forests and the resulting soil degradation, and the subsequent poisoning rivers...and ruined ecosystem of that area

same goes here..

until these multi nationals stop their policy and behaviors toward Deaf in the combined system which seeks and does DENY sign language acquisition to deaf babies and children by policy and act then we will be heavily opposed to them. period.

why not help us stop them jane?
 
C-NICE said:
I am not anti-ASL, I am just not going to have a nervous breakdown every time parents or adults choose A CI. I am one of the adults who will choose the CI and believe in its technology. If that means being assimilated assimilate me.
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then don't have nervous breakdown i sure don't..

yes yes we all know you "believe"

they don't need to assimilate you, your already assimilated.
i knwo this is difficult for you but try to view this issue for a moment anyway apart and separate form your actual vantage point after all this isn't about you.
 
the paper i posted in this thread does a very good job laying out why WE oppose prelingual CI, and CI for children...
 
How are these multinationals denying sign? Recommendations are not orders. No its not about me, from you post I get the impression you have a problem with the hearing world in general. Some people do want to live in that world. The babies you speak of are their parents children not your children. If its was my child the signs I would want to learn the fastest would be so I could ask the simple question of you and those of your ilk. ARE YOU TELLING ME HOW TO RAISE MY KID?
 
C-NICE said:
How are these multinationals denying sign? Recommendations are not orders. No its not about me, from you post I get the impression you have a problem with the hearing world in general. Some people do want to live in that world. The babies you speak of are their parents children not your children. If its was my child the signs I would want to learn the fastest would be so I could ask the simple question of you and those of your ilk. ARE YOU TELLING ME HOW TO RAISE MY KID?
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Did you read the link Hoichi posted? Simple question really... but your post are telling...
 
I would just find it annoying someone interfering with me and my wife's parental decisions. There are probably more than a few adults & parents who have no desire to hear (No pun intended) a lecturer regarding the decisions they make for themselves. Being opposed is one thing, interfering with peoples personal decisions (Adults & Parental) is another.
 
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