God Versus Satan

[Banjo]

And... why was eating that particular fruit a sin?

It's a fruit tree sitting there for the whole world to take... and 2 measly humans can't touch it? :roll:

I think it was to test them. It's like telling a teenage boy that he cannot take a peek at the Playboy magazine laying on the table in front of him.

Will he look at it when nobody's looking?

Probably.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling on your answers, that doesn't even answer my question, You tried to twisted it around with your answers that means nothing to my question.

It's a very easy question with a simple answer comes along with it, "Yes" or "no" Your answers doesn't even prove me anything. .

It´s you who twisted in first place...

Who compared true friends with faith book in first place? Of course YOU... I answered each of your question becase it´s fact, not twist.

You tried to compare the example true friends and faith book which there´re no comparison between real life and book. I tried to convince you that true friends is exist in real life and online which faith books doesn´t. The faith book is a "rumor" book since we know there´re many bibles, we don´t know which correct bibles. I compared the rumor with faith book - that´s example how I doubt God´s exist and which correct bibles.

I'm done debating with you

wow, you are angry because I have different view as you... I have good patience with anyone who have different view as me... You can´t be patience how to agree to disagree in polite debate ways... wow...

Defee, You're correct, Liebling does twisted it around. Enough said by me.

wow, you support Defee against me...

Have you seen me support anyone against you?

I support nobody but agree to disagree with them without support anyone... Now you here...

I´m sorry if you can´t accept my view what I see different as you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That means You only believe in yourself, nothing more nothing less.

wow, this is a hypothetical answer...

I am sure that you know that Sheld90 and I share the same views... Sheld90 and I agree a lot... I beleive that you know that I often say here and other threads that I only believe myself and acheive to cope my own life with my family, limit, etc.

Check my previous post...

http://www.alldeaf.com/756987-post64.html

You judge my view of nameless bibles... and angry that I see any bibles different and use them as my theory.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'd say that you were a strong self-believer. That's a good trait. If you have faith in yourself that you can do certain things, then that's a positive attitude.

I don't like it when people say, "I have faith that God will see me through it." That's another excuse to prove that God has faith.

I have faith that God will help me figure out what two plus two equals to...

FOUR!!!!!

See? God does exist. If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure it out.

I like your answer to Shel90´s question.

Yes, it´s exactly what you gave her answer... I beleive myself and have faith in myself... because I know how to positive my life...

 

[Cheri]

Liebling,

Don't start off making assumptions now, I'm not even angry, I wasted my fifteen minutes typing up a question, with a worthless answers that I got from you. That's is why I'm done debating with you.

Your second post is ignorance. I don't wish to answer that one either. Have a good night.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That looks like a paraphrase, not a translation, of the Bible.

Here's the KJV version:

It mean that your bible is correct and my bible is wrong? It show yourself that you criticize peoples´belief.

I already repeated in my previous posts here and other threads that I doubt either our bibles are correct or not...

That's a Bible story book. That's not a Bible translation. That's a paraphrase of the Bible, made into simple stories.

Yes I already said that I have 2 bibles is story and with scriptures.

The child running into the street disobeyed the parent.

Eve eating the fruit disobeyed God.

They're the same--disobedience.

No, they are not same thing because the child is not being lead to beleive that street is safe. Who lead the children to beleive that street is a safe? Nobody... Of course a lot of children are senseless and forget parent´s warn...

Eve was being mislead to beleive Satan´s lie... This is a difference.

I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because there's nothing I can say to someone who thinks she is wiser and better than God.

I´m sorry that you can´t accept that I see any nameless bibles as different view and use them as my theory to compare real life.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Those two books aren't Bibles. The first one is Bible "stories", and the second one doesn't even call itself a Bible.

Cheri´s post
And those are Jehovah's Witnesses related books. Come to think of it, It seems that Jehovah's witnesses have copied things off the bible making it in stories.

wow, Did you know what you are saying here? Did you know what critizing is? See yourself what you said here is bible-thumper and criticize JW´s belief... and claimed that JW´s bible is not a bible... :jaw:

I personally don´t care which kind of belief you and anyone have but I care to see the view of NAMELESS bibles... I only answered Defee´s question which the bibles I have, that´s all. I already stated in my previous post that I doubt either our bibles are correct or not... You said that your bible is right and my bible is wrong... wow... This is a definitely bible-thumper or bible-basher.



Oh yes, all what I see is Christians who are angry and bash people for "try to win the relignon debate" in Mommyof3´s thread. I convinced them to accept if the people have different belief as them... I have no religion belief to beleive but myself and tried to accept BOTH sides and convince or question them in Mommyof3´s thread... Of course I support some christian and other beleifs in Mommyof3´s thread. I hope some christians remember my support to them... Yes I POSTED it at Mommyof3´s thread and go and read yourself.

Critizing their beleif?



Cheri,

You often said to not critizing people´s belief but respect their beliefs... Now you said here yourself... *shake my head*

I have many friends JW, christians, catholic, bapstist, muslim, etc... because I respect their beleif as the same as they respect me as well... They knows that I don´t have any belief to believe.. it mean that they are real friends who accept what I am, but you? It look like that you let friendship to ruin because of different views and beliefs... ?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling,

Don't start off making assumptions now, I'm not even angry, I wasted my fifteen minutes typing up a question, with a worthless answers that I got from you. That's is why I'm done debating with you.

Your second post is ignorance. I don't wish to answer that one either. Have a good night.

Yes, see yourself that you are still angry...

Whatever you think is not my problem.

Oh yes I know the difference when you post toward ADers... angry or not... You are angry because I use nameless bible as my theory.

Good night and sweet dream. I hope that you will wake up and realize that keep friendship in real life or online is value than worry their view of nameless bibles or their different belief.

I am sure that you remember that I support a christian in Mommyof3´s thread because I see in her as my true friend, not her beleif but you?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I value my friendship in real life and online is more important than critizing their belief, their bible book and support other who have the same belief as them.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Lieblin' ...

Jesus is the Son of God, yes - AND, He is ALSO God. Jesus AND God are in ONE. ( Same idea for a husband and wife when they are married, they became ONE - O N E last name. )

I forget to ask you question in my previous post.

No a husband and wife are not become one... It doesn´t mean that my hubby is my son, brother or father because I married him and use his last name. He is a man, whom I love and married to and create babies with him.

You said that Jesus is a God because Jesus and God are in one... Do you mean that my sons and I are in one? My son is a Liebling. Right?

Edit: Maria aks CyberRed

 

[Reba]

wow, Did you know what you are saying here? Did you know what critizing is? See yourself what you said here is bible-thumper and criticize JW´s belief... and claimed that JW´s bible is not a bible... :jaw:

Look at the titles of your books. Do they say "Holy Bible"? No. They are not Bibles. If they were Bibles, their titles would be "Holy Bible".

I personally don´t care which kind of belief you and anyone have but I care to see the view of NAMELESS bibles...

What is a "nameless" Bible?

I only answered Defee´s question which the bibles I have, that´s all.

That's part of your confusion. You are using books that aren't Bibles on which to base your beliefs about the Bible.

... You said that your bible is right and my bible is wrong...

The problem is, those two books aren't Bibles, so you can't compare them to real Bibles, whatever translation.

It's the difference between comparing the English and French versions of the novel "Les Miserables" with the Classics Illustrated comic book. The English version is a translation of the original French; the Classics Illustrated comic book is a paraphrase.

That's not "bashing". That's just an explanation.

If it's a real Bible, the title will say "Bible" in some language.

...I don´t have any belief to believe...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Look at the titles of your books. Do they say "Holy Bible"? No. They are not Bibles. If they were Bibles, their titles would be "Holy Bible".

I typed and copied the front of my 2 bibles.

Now I am typing to copy the second pages of my 2 bibles.

First bible with scriptures... (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth) with many scriptures.

"New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures"

Publishers:
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, INC: International bible students association Brooklyn, New York, U.S.A.



Second bible (The Book of Bible Stories)

Publishers:
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, INC: International bible students association Brooklyn, New York, U.S.A.

Made in the United States of America...


This is a bibles...

I enjoy to read bible story as history and don´t do what the bible says... this is a difference.

What is a "nameless" Bible?

I use nameless as anonymous bible in general way without point finger to name which bibles of catholic, JW, baptist, Mormon, christianity, and more list of beliefs and tell them that their bible is bad... I only use anonymous/nameless bible as my theory in general way without critizing people´s belief.

That's part of your confusion. You are using books that aren't Bibles on which to base your beliefs about the Bible.

Yes this is JW´s bible. I saw Maria aks CyberRed´s description in her posts is an exactly same what I read JW´s bibles.

The problem is, those two books aren't Bibles, so you can't compare them to real Bibles, whatever translation.

You said yourself that JW bible is not bible which mean is you think that your bible is right bible, JW or other beliefs not.

It's the difference between comparing the English and French versions of the novel "Les Miserables" with the Classics Illustrated comic book. The English version is a translation of the original French; the Classics Illustrated comic book is a paraphrase.

This bible I received the gift from JW is English bible... Those bible made in U.S.A.

That's not "bashing". That's just an explanation.

If anyone who tries to convince that my bible is not right bible and their bible is true bible means is "bashing" or "critizing" their beliefs. It look like that their bible is correct and my bible is wrong. I am not saying that my bible is right... or whatever...

If it's a real Bible, the title will say "Bible" in some language.

What do you mean?

See my answer above what 2nd pages of my 2 bibles written... Yes the word "bible" in my 2 bible book.

 

[Reba]

What do you mean?

I mean the title on the cover will say "Bible".

Holy Bible

Santa Biblia

Die Bibel​

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I mean the title on the cover will say "Bible".

Holy Bible

Santa Biblia

Die Bibel​

I got it..

But it says "The Book of Bible Stories" on front of the bible (bible story) and the "bible" is written in 2nd page...
"WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA"

and other bible with scriptures didn´t show "bible" but written "Bible" in 2nd. page... "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures".

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Moses wrote about Adam and Eve in the bible for some reason and he was not there to witness the beginning of humanity. He had no proof of Adam and Eve being created in first place. It reminds me of fairy tale when I first learned about Adam and Eve, just another story to tell, prehap? To make us believe this?

My hubby said the same thing what you said here.

We discussed about this forum here in our breakfast time today. He brought those subject to remind me of your post and let you know that my hubby said the same thing what you said here.

Accord my hubby, there´re no bibles written before Mose time. The people can´t write and read but mouth to mouth... You know that mouth to mouth could be misunderstanding sometimes... The bible including 10 commandment began to write from Mose time and said again that there´re many misunderstanding interpretations... some missing or some add...??? Nobody knows either the Biblical interpretation is correct since there´re many biblcal interpretations around here... I told him that I wish there´re only ONE bible, not many bibles. We only know that God and Jesus don´t have their own religion but themselves. It´s people who create their own religion images themselves to worship God and Jesus and interpreted their bibles as well.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why should the people create their own religion images to worship God and Jesus when God and Jesus don´t have their own religion? That´s because they have different view to interpret the scritpures of bibles...?

God and Jesus beleive in themselves... I´m the same as them as well because I beleive in myself as well with no religion to involve with or critizing to.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Question again...

Who created the forbidden tree, special tree, tree of knowledge, tree of evil and God or whatever in first place?

Yes I know all of your answer is God...

Why he created a tree like this in first place then when he wish to have beautiful everything in paraisde, forever, happy forever etc..?

What is the reason he created like this?

I image a picture to myself... My hubby & I created our dream home and family like you all.. Of course you all care about children´s safety. Right? We know how to aviod something for our children´s safety when we know something are dangerous but why God didn´t do that when he know that tree is dangerous in first place? Why can´t he destory that tree when he saw how risk a tree is?

God leave Eve and Adam alone with animals in garden of Eden... Why can´t he stop the snake who tried to lead Eve to beleive?

Anyway, who created a dangerous tree in first place then is God´s responsiblity.

 

[Reba]

I got it..

But it says "The Book of Bible Stories" on front of the bible (bible story)...

That means the book includes some of the events that happened in the Bible but not the whole Bible. Also, the stories include commentary and details that are not in the original text. The stories might be about the Bible but they are not the Bible itself. That's the difference.

 

[Reba]

...Accord my hubby, there´re no bibles written before Mose time. The people can´t write and read but mouth to mouth... You know that mouth to mouth could be misunderstanding sometimes...

That's why God spoke directly to Moses to give him the Bible words. God wanted Moses to get the information straight from Him instead of depending on the stories that were passed down by each generation.

 

[Mistyrose]

That looks like a paraphrase, not a translation, of the Bible.

Here's the KJV version:

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

Eve knew that what the serpent said did not match what God told her, so that is how she knew it was a lie. But she accepted the lie anyway because she wanted to. That is disobedience to God.



That's a Bible story book. That's not a Bible translation. That's a paraphrase of the Bible, made into simple stories.



The child running into the street disobeyed the parent.

Eve eating the fruit disobeyed God.

They're the same--disobedience.


I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because there's nothing I can say to someone who thinks she is wiser and better than God.

Amen! Sister! I totally agree!