God Issue

MsGiglz said:
AHHHHHHHHH!!! I have been growing up with many different religions...Actually they are in different beliefs... but NOW DAYS, they had to change life styles... but still strict on some things..

But.. Still.. God loves you all whoever you are... unreligion or religion...

he didnt say specify which religion we must to be in? why religions are different .. they are challenging each other just like many companies (gas or dept stores) to get the best or better..

God is everywhere, that you can pray.. even in bathroom.. hehe.. :)
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He already specify which religion you should be in? Just follow what the Bible say and that is his religion and his word to anyone.

Yes He love anyone with religion or not religion but yet he will judge everyone of us as a holy person or a sinner person because of our sin caused him to do that. Why? He despites our sin and he is required to judge on us.

You said about the compeition with other churches. I really disagree with that. They are bending the Bible to suit our needs (Pragmatic Church) or they have little different prespective on the Bible's teaching for example Bapist and Reformed Church. Bapist believes that baptizo must be immurse in the water but the Reformed Church don't require immurse only but sparkling or pour or immurse for the baptizo.
 
Askjo said:
Pardon me, Does God HATE "us"? You are mistaken. God does NOT hate sinners including you, me, saved people and unsaved people, but He hates sin. The Bible teaches that Jesus sat with SINNERS.
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You don't understand my english. God hate us as a sinner person. He love us as a human being. Yes Jesus Christ sat with the sinner people because of his grace and the sinner people just don't understand how serious we (sinners) are in. Do you remember what Jesus Christ said before he died on the cross? That is the reason.
 
Crazymanw00t said:
You don't understand my english. God hate us as a sinner person. He love us as a human being. Yes Jesus Christ sat with the sinner people because of his grace and the sinner people just don't understand how serious we (sinners) are in. Do you remember what Jesus Christ said before he died on the cross? That is the reason.
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"God hates sin, but loves the sinner."
 
I don't miss your point. I do fully understand what you were talkin' about. God knows everythin'. He knows every race's language and fully understood them. It's why the bible was written by His Chosen people through the Holy Spirit. God is not the Author of Confusion. He knows our language. The bible itself is in 5th grade level. I speak of KJV.
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Yes, but the translators may have been biased. What's in one language isn't nessarly the same in another language....it's not like speaking in tongues.
Like the way corn in the UK refers to wheat and corn in America refers to a vegetable. You'd need to look up the orgional Hebrew to see what the word was.
Cyberred.....No, effeminate does not equate to homosexuality....You're really buying into stereotypes... Not all gay guys are effeminiate...Besides what does that have to do with lesbians and bisexual folks?
Crazymanwoot, I disagree....... I am NOT picking and choosing which verese apply to me or not. I'm simply bringing up the differences in interpretation....how is that picking and choosing? I just don't get it...someone could be a really good Christian, but simply b/c they love another person who happens to be the same sex as them, they can't be a christian. EVERYONE SINS....EVERYONE....INCLUDING CHRISTAINS! besides,
I mean what's a sin for one group isn't nessarly a sin for another.....Saying gee might be a sin for nondeominational Christians of the Focus on the Family ilk, but it's not a sin for most other people who ID as Christians.....Not wearing a headcovering might be a sin for one group of Chrisitans but not nessarly another...do you see what I'm getting at? And what makes YOUR interpretation of the Bible THE CORRECT one? Did God come down and approve your way of thinking peronally Himself?
 
deafdyke said:
Yes, but the translators may have been biased. What's in one language isn't nessarly the same in another language....it's not like speaking in tongues.
Like the way corn in the UK refers to wheat and corn in America refers to a vegetable. You'd need to look up the orgional Hebrew to see what the word was.
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No it is not biased. It is translated. I did check myself with Hebrew and Greek with the English Bible myself. They are accurated. The situations happen with many different translators Bible is the defining the translation word from Greek/Hebrew to English is little different and explainings. For example that Reba gave us the three different meaning with one word "Love."

NASB is pretty close with the best translating the bible. IMO

Cyberred.....No, effeminate does not equate to homosexuality....You're really buying into stereotypes... Not all gay guys are effeminiate...Besides what does that have to do with lesbians and bisexual folks?
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Ingore Cyberred and He/She don't believe in GOD or want to be Christian and still gospeling the wrong information. Yes he/she is using stereotypes.

Crazymanwoot, I disagree....... I am NOT picking and choosing which verese apply to me or not. I'm simply bringing up the differences in interpretation....how is that picking and choosing? I just don't get it...someone could be a really good Christian, but simply b/c they love another person who happens to be the same sex as them, they can't be a christian. EVERYONE SINS....EVERYONE....INCLUDING CHRISTAINS! besides,
I mean what's a sin for one group isn't nessarly a sin for another.....Saying gee might be a sin for nondeominational Christians of the Focus on the Family ilk, but it's not a sin for most other people who ID as Christians.....Not wearing a headcovering might be a sin for one group of Chrisitans but not nessarly another...do you see what I'm getting at? And what makes YOUR interpretation of the Bible THE CORRECT one? Did God come down and approve your way of thinking peronally Himself?
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Ok you are very strong with favoring the homosexual and that is okay for you and not okay for me because I want the best accurated information for you to hold and put the faith on it.

God didn't come down to approve my comments but I am following his gospel excalty to everyone. You may heard it differently because of America's Christian is on the "Down-Graded Christian." It means that the pragmatist Christian really influence our religion thoughts. Before 1900s and people are talking same as what I am talking. After 1920s the roaring 20s and the religion changed to pragmatist religion because they draws the audience with preaching the money, love, health and family. Before that it was all about preaching to repent the sin.
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Ingore Cyberred and He/She don't believe in GOD or want to be Christian and still gospeling the wrong information. Yes he/she is using stereotypes.
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I grew up attendin' church through my parents. How would you know that I don't believe in GOD ?
It's sad to know that you don't know much about God yourself. You have a loooong way to learn about God's Word since you are only 19 years old. You are still young to learn many new things in life ! I live on this earth for 45 years. Long enough to know ALOT more about the bible than you do !
 
No it is not biased. It is translated. I did check myself with Hebrew and Greek with the English Bible myself
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Well duh, it is translated.....but the translation is a little too biased. There's no question that the Hebrew word has to do with sex...but the question is what exactly the meaning was.....Have you read really old Bibles? I think actually that the word was something like general sex crimes, but the translator decided to put homosexuals....the term homosexual wasn't coined til 186oish.....Like perhaps the translator was of the ilk that totally demonizes homosexuals....like the people who insistutie that homosexuals are globally evil...like they molest kids.....etc. etc...I'm gonna have to look up some of the pages that deal with translation.
Isn't there a Hebrew word in the Bible that is untranslateable to English?
Crazyman.....you are extremely conservative........all I can say is that the Bible says "Judge ye that ye not be judged".....I'm not saying anything....but perhaps in a few years you'll realize that you are being a little hard(to put it mildly) on people who don't believe the same as you do.....I do know that 80% of kids raised in extreme Christian households drift away from the faith.....no wonder if they believe a lot of the extremist stuff out there!
 
deafdyke said:
Well duh, it is translated.....but the translation is a little too biased. There's no question that the Hebrew word has to do with sex...but the question is what exactly the meaning was.....Have you read really old Bibles? I think actually that the word was something like general sex crimes, but the translator decided to put homosexuals....the term homosexual wasn't coined til 186oish.....Like perhaps the translator was of the ilk that totally demonizes homosexuals....like the people who insistutie that homosexuals are globally evil...like they molest kids.....etc. etc...I'm gonna have to look up some of the pages that deal with translation.
Isn't there a Hebrew word in the Bible that is untranslateable to English?
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Do you realize you are beginning to ramble out a stream of consciousness? You are throwing out all kinds of speculations and accusations without basis of fact.
 
ckfarbes said:
ASKJO, are you following me? You're everywhere I post! I think that postless proves you do not have any social life... First of all, I know I should ignore this, but he got me on my nerve. I don't think we're the only ones here.

If that's true, Then, how did you know Jesus christ will come back on earth face to face us? Nice try, but try again and read scripture again. I am sorry but i am going to put you down this time.. but you DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING if you're posting crap like this

^^^^^^^Sorry for keeping this stupid post on front page^^^^^^^

Hey ASKJO, I would say that your post is way more useless than the thread that was created here. you should keep this on the front page so everyone can laugh at you and call you a {edited} for posting this on alldeaf forum.

I told you once. I told you twice. Hell, I told you about fifty times. conclusion, you did not read carefully what I was saying in pervious posts. you need to read again...and understand what Im saying before you jump into my mouth. You're not even good enough to get a real response...{edited}

six words come to mind... I-JUST-CAN'T-FIX-{edited}!!
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMG!!!! MY last POST edited by Roadrunner : 08-28-2005 at 04:01 PM. Reason: Removed unnecessary comments-

i will reply on some posts later..
 
Your words are not God's but your own. You are not speaking full truth here even you are reading bible too well and follow Jesus Christ. I will find this one verse about a person is guilty for chase other people away from God with their judgemental.
 
jazzy said:
Your words are not God's but your own. You are not speaking full truth here even you are reading bible too well and follow Jesus Christ. I will find this one verse about a person is guilty for chase other people away from God with their judgemental.
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jazzy, who are u talking to? :confused:
 
IcedTeaRulz said:
jazzy, who are u talking to? :confused:
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Not you but someone else who are extremist Christian who believe their is right way and others are wrong way. I checked in christian debate on other forum. They are too far way for me. Make me wanted turn away from God because of them.
 
jazzy said:
Not you but someone else who are extremist Christian who believe their is right way and others are wrong way. I checked in christian debate on other forum. They are too far way for me. Make me wanted turn away from God because of them.
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Oh, okay.
 
No Reba, I am NOT just babbling......there are Biblical scholaors who say that the word may have just been mistranslated.....I just gotta refind the sites that say so.....
 
Crazymanw00t said:
He already specify which religion you should be in? Just follow what the Bible say and that is his religion and his word to anyone.

Yes He love anyone with religion or not religion but yet he will judge everyone of us as a holy person or a sinner person because of our sin caused him to do that. Why? He despites our sin and he is required to judge on us.

You said about the compeition with other churches. I really disagree with that. They are bending the Bible to suit our needs (Pragmatic Church) or they have little different prespective on the Bible's teaching for example Bapist and Reformed Church. Bapist believes that baptizo must be immurse in the water but the Reformed Church don't require immurse only but sparkling or pour or immurse for the baptizo.
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Sigh.. whatever.. its your opinion... we all have different opinions...

Christain is christain.. just mainly important that we love God and thank Jesus for everything... like.. I thanked him everyday for our safety, health, food, weather, our kids, those helpless people... :D
 
jazzy said:
Your words are not God's but your own. You are not speaking full truth here even you are reading bible too well and follow Jesus Christ. I will find this one verse about a person is guilty for chase other people away from God with their judgemental.
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Is that for me? Please let me know. I will completely respect you if it was for me.
 
Crazymanwoot, a homosexual can be a Christian.....Yes, homosexuals sin, but SO WHAT? EVERYONE sins....everyone! Why do some Christians act like homosexuality is the one unforgiviable sin? Why are we treated like child molesters or serial killers or Jeffery Dahmer? I just don't get it..... So a person who acts exactly the way a Christian does....and is basicly a good person cannot be a Christian b/c they happen to love another consenting adult?
 
deafdyke said:
Crazymanwoot, a homosexual can be a Christian.....Yes, homosexuals sin, but SO WHAT? EVERYONE sins....everyone! Why do some Christians act like homosexuality is the one unforgiviable sin? Why are we treated like child molesters or serial killers or Jeffery Dahmer? I just don't get it..... So a person who acts exactly the way a Christian does....and is basicly a good person cannot be a Christian b/c they happen to love another consenting adult?
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Ok everyone will sin once while on and that is for sure. Homosexuality is a different because it is a constant sin. God forbids that way when the christian to do the constant sin for example homo people.

I want to reminds you that the chid molesters, serial killers, or gay and they all are treated with excalty same sin. They cannot perform that while they are Christian because they will face judgement with Lord. The Lord will ask the child molester about why did you do the child molester. That is a worse thing to face with someone that is superior than you.

It also applies to the Christian Pastors. If the Christian Pastor gospel with wrong information or wrong gospel to the people and they will get a serious judgement with lord.

With your last sentence. I support people to love others. Do you remember that REBA gave the example with three different tpye with one word, LOVE.
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The ancient Greeks used three different words for three different kinds of love: eros (physical attraction), phileo (friendship, common interests, companionship, shared values), and agape (sacrificial love that is willing to put another person’s interests above your own).
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God permits you to do the phileo, and agape with same sex or the opposite sex. God forbids you to do the eros with anyone else than your married spouse. Your married spouse must be a opposite sex with your sex gender.

I am moving to the other topic. I believe the Calvinism's 5 point or Reformed faith and it is very clear from the Bible. You can view it in the ASL version. http://www.deafreformed.org/calvinism.php

With that Calvinism's 5 point (TULIP). Those God's choosen people and they will not do the constant sin life because they are salve of righteous. They will feel gulity when they are doing sinful activity. Therefore Christian, homosexual person and that person must be a hypocrited Christian (non-Christian).
 
Your married spouse must be a opposite sex with your sex gender.
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Crazyman......what if a person is a hermaprodite or transsexual or has a sex chromosome outside of the XX or XY consistion?
I am moving to the other topic. I believe the Calvinism's 5 point or Reformed faith and it is very clear from the Bible. You can view it in the ASL version. http://www.deafreformed.org/calvinism.php

With that Calvinism's 5 point (TULIP). Those God's choosen people and they will not do the constant sin life because they are salve of righteous. They will feel gulity when they are doing sinful activity. Therefore Christian, homosexual person and that person must be a hypocrited Christian (non-Christian).
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So a GLB can't be a Christian under CALVINIST standards......and I do understand that....But a GLBer could be a Christian under another interpretation of the Bible...... I gotta say.....you are still very very young. Research has indicated that 80% of evailingal kids fall away from the church..... In a few years....maybe you'll fall away from the church....Who knows? I know people who went to hyper hyper Christian colleges like Pensecola Christian College or Bible Colleges....and they left VERY disillusioned
 
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