God Issue

[Crazymanw00t]

The Jews are God's chosen people. That doesn't mean that He loves your people any less. It just means that God has a special plan for the Jews.

In the OT yes. NT no.

 

[Maria]

The Jews are STILL God's chosen people from the beginnin' to the end. Jesus Himself was Jewish in NT.

 

[XBGMER]

I am not putting black and Jews into one category. Deafdyke brought up that comparison. She was putting homosexuals, blacks, and Jews all into a similar category of oppression by Christians. I stated that they were NOT the same.

Reba, I do definitely agree with deafdyke's sayings. I don't think that She putting gays, blacks, jews all into same category. she was tried to tell you, 300 or 350 years ago till now , white chirstians and white racists are still pratice on bible against blacks, against gays, and against others also. that is facts!

I like to share with you little story, One day I met white man who was ex-pastor, Somehow He wanted to share me by bible talked about black slaves and Moses married black woman of ethiopia, Joseph married black princess of egypt on and on. I was laugh at him, saying, "You are pathetic racist and full of bullshit since you have mention Bible talk about black things ever I met" He was admitted that He is white racist and he knew bible really belong to blacks, not for other races. i asked him please quit about bible you preached me! he gave me bible called King james as he gifted me.. his words was annonyed me whole time and i started to read bible. attend and see him at his place, he teached me alots and i learned alots from him and i kept to read bible became everyday and every night till started to believe him. he warned me that many whites will deny it that bible talk about blacks (slaves), later I realized that he was right about bible belong to black things. and thank him who educated me..

Now look at you are christian who deny that bible had mentioned about (slaves) were blacks. Once you don't believe in bible of God inspried since you denied facts that what people had mentioned..

She was right!

The Jews were slaves in Egypt and Babylon for many hundreds of years.

Do you know what color of jews who were slaves in egypt and babylon? I bet that you did not think that jews 's history matched egypt's hieroglyph on wall like every where in tomb and temple and others. Have you see hieroglyph picture look exactly like modern jews today?

The Jews are God's chosen people. That doesn't mean that He loves your people any less. It just means that God has a special plan for the Jews.

I don't think that jews are God's chosen people. I dont care if God loves me less. I knew him since he dwell in my flesh and I am in his flesh is of God [i.e. Him] from yesterday, today and forever!

God has his promised plan for the slaves from former things to tomorrow things as forever.. slaves [i.e. blacks] are God's chosen people represent on this earth above all the world in his glory forever!

 

[Askjo]

The Jews are STILL God's chosen people from the beginnin' to the end. Jesus Himself was Jewish in NT.

Amen to that!

 

[Maria]

Amen to that!

Thank you.

 

[deafdyke]

Right now I am listening to a CD put out by folkies entitled Second Union, that I got at a folk fest. One of the songs is entitled "Gay for a Day".....How I wish that Reba, Crazymanwoot and the others who are screaming that gayness is a sin could be gay for a day. Maybe then you wouldn't be so quick to judge.....I know that people are saying that it's not the love that's a sin.....but we don't sexually abuse little kids,(as a matter of fact, most instances of same-sex child sexual abuse are perpetrated by STRAIGHT guys!) we don't have sex in an Iron Madien, we don't have sex with the presense of Cthelu (sp?....you know the being from HP Lovecraft?) or Satan? I don't want to get graphic, but our lovemaking can be a lot like what straight people do in bed.....
You know, the thinking on gayness being a sin is slowly but surely changing....Two of my good buddies are hyper Christian. I doubt that my uncles who are gay would have been out to their christian friends when they were in college (just twenty years ago!) Yet, I'm out to a lot of people....not to everyone, but a lot more then I was when I was in high school!
Anyway, my hyper Christian friends are 100% OK with my being gay! They understand that it's about the fact that I happen to love someone....one of my friends told me that she wouldn't be surprised if she found herself in love with a girl without being aware beforehand that she liked girls. (happened to her best at home friend)
I don't remmy the Unitarian church being GLB activist in the 80's when I was a little kid....I don't remember seeing the rainbow flag on an Epsiscoplation church.....this is the beginning of a revolution and of change.....and in a few years people will look back on people's attitudes on homosexuality in horror.
Oh, and I wasn't lumping all Christians together. I like Christ's teachings and even follow a lot of them in my day to day life.....many, if not most of my good friends are Christians...BUT I do know that in the old days people used the Bible for justification for things like racism, slavery (eg the descendants of Ham were always to be condemned to be hewers of wood and drawers of water) anti-Semitism....and I'm not just following "PC" thought on this....I am openminded.....VERY openminded and read as much as I can about history (as I am a geek too) and I've read many many many versions.
Hey when my mom was little (before the vatican ruling that absolved the Jews of any responsibilty in Jesus' death) anti-Semitism was common (not as blatent, but common)

 

[Crazymanw00t]

Ok do you know why they are called such as a hyper-Christian? They don't really completely following the Bible. They are adjusting the Bible with our own mind to satisfy oursevles and a pragmatic influence also. They are not Christian if they bends the Bibles to our our standards from the Lord's standards.

Do you know that the incest, sex before marriage, lust on other people than your marriage spouse or more to name is same sin as all other sin?
Homosexuality is a serious outbreak right now and we Christian needs to take it under control for your and other people's soul safety. That is why we are little crazy over the homosexual. Homosexual is spreading really fast and change our America's thought with the reality from the Bible's standards. We gotta defend it for our Lord.

 

[Askjo]

Please read Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

These passages talk about lesbain and gay. It is very obvious that God GAVE UP with those people who are homosexuals if they love each other or lust each other. Homosexual lovemaking is obvious sin as God called, "vile affections."

We as Christians, get along with homosexual people, but will NOT practice homosexual sin. Preach them and win those lost souls to Jesus. The Bible teaches that any Christians MUST withdraw from them if homosexual sin appears in front of them.

 

[Maria]

Please read Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

These passages talk about lesbain and gay. It is very obvious that God GAVE UP with those people who are homosexuals if they love each other or lust each other. Homosexual lovemaking is obvious sin as God called, "vile affections."

We as Christians, get along with homosexual people, but will NOT practice homosexual sin. Preach them and win those lost souls to Jesus. The Bible teaches that any Christians MUST withdraw from them if homosexual sin appears in front of them.

Amen to that !

 

[XBGMER]

Please read Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

These passages talk about lesbain and gay. It is very obvious that God GAVE UP with those people who are homosexuals if they love each other or lust each other. Homosexual lovemaking is obvious sin as God called, "vile affections."

We as Christians, get along with homosexual people, but will NOT practice homosexual sin. Preach them and win those lost souls to Jesus. The Bible teaches that any Christians MUST withdraw from them if homosexual sin appears in front of them.

oh really? christians get along with homosexuals??? who told you?

you included all christians are confusion and messed up already.. No wondering all christians included you never understand what the scripture talk by the word from th word had spoke itself.. Exactly you christains who are accurate type of those prefectly verses in 2 Corinthians 11:3, 4:4, Ephesians 2:2 as exactly 2 peter 3:3, 4 and Jude 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 15, and even 19 that you are in way you don't see how your own weird behavor change little by little right now from since! HOW SO SAD!

You better read that 2 Corinthians 6:14,15,16, and 17.. But you christians never understand this chaper and verses period!

YOU ALL CHRISTIANS ARE PAWNS AND YOUR CHURCH IS PAWN TOOO!!

 

[Reba]

....How I wish that Reba, Crazymanwoot and the others who are screaming that gayness is a sin could be gay for a day.

Sigh...I really try to avoid getting personal in these debates about homosexuality and sin, but somehow my name gets dragged into it again.

I am not "screaming" that "gayness" is a sin. I don't even use ALL CAPS in the debate. I prefer to post the Scriptures and present what God says about sin. If those verses apply to individuals, that is for their conscience to decide, thru Holy Spirit conviction.

...Hey when my mom was little (before the vatican ruling that absolved the Jews of any responsibilty in Jesus' death) anti-Semitism was common (not as blatent, but common)

I guess anti-Semitism depended on where people lived, and how people were brought up. I grew up in the 50's and 60's, lower middle class, so I guess I wasn't exposed to much of that. Besides, the Vatican doesn't have the authority to accuse or absolve the Jews of anything.

 

[deafdyke]

They don't really completely following the Bible. They are adjusting the Bible with our own mind to satisfy oursevles and a pragmatic influence also. They are not Christian if they bends the Bibles to our our standards from the Lord's standards.

No, Lis, Beth and my other buddies all read the Bible and follow what's in it!
I have devout Catholic friends who are 100% OK with my being gay. I remember when I was still offically in the closet, OB and I had a conversation and out of the clear blue sky she goes "I don't care if you like girls or guys....I just want you to be happy!" That totally melted me...since I had been very afraid to tell them b/c I wasn't sure of their reaction.
Is the only correct interpretation of the Bible YOUR or your church's interpretation?

Do you know that the incest, sex before marriage, lust on other people than your marriage spouse or more to name is same sin as all other sin?
Homosexuality is a serious outbreak right now and we Christian needs to take it under control for your and other people's soul safety. That is why we are little crazy over the homosexual. Homosexual is spreading really fast and change our America's thought with the reality from the Bible's standards. We gotta defend it for our Lord.

EVERYONE sins, crazymanwoot! EVERYONE! Being gay is not some gigantic unforgivable sin! My soul is not in danger....NOBODY'S soul is in danger if they simply follow the teachings of Jesus.....So you're saying that a person can't be a homosexual and be a Christian? You really really need to talk to someone about that! Look at that Gay Christian site I sent you to....many if not most if not ALL the people who hang out there once thought as you did....but many of them have learned to recoincile their religion with their sexuality. But the fact that you can't deny is that Jesus NEVER said anything about homosexuality! He just said "Love your neighbor as your brother"
The people at the gay christian site weren't ones who were recruited or molested or whatever....
Also, I don't deny those scriptures.....I am not a Bible expert....can't really defend myself too well there....BUT, as you may recall there are problems in translatation from one language to another. The term used wasn't homosexual....matter of fact, if my memory serves correctly the term homosexual wasn't coined until something like the 1860's........
Also the Biblical experts who say that homosexuality may not be a sin, aren't bending or twisting words or whatever....the orgional word was closer in meaning to something like males who had sex slaves or people who did ritual sex abuse or whatever....I shall have to look up some linky-links for you....and remember....JESUS Himself, NEVER said anything about gayness being a sin! You cannot deny that!

 

[Crazymanw00t]

No, Lis, Beth and my other buddies all read the Bible and follow what's in it!
I have devout Catholic friends who are 100% OK with my being gay. I remember when I was still offically in the closet, OB and I had a conversation and out of the clear blue sky she goes "I don't care if you like girls or guys....I just want you to be happy!" That totally melted me...since I had been very afraid to tell them b/c I wasn't sure of their reaction.
Is the only correct interpretation of the Bible YOUR or your church's interpretation?

EVERYONE sins, crazymanwoot! EVERYONE! Being gay is not some gigantic unforgivable sin! My soul is not in danger....NOBODY'S soul is in danger if they simply follow the teachings of Jesus.....So you're saying that a person can't be a homosexual and be a Christian? You really really need to talk to someone about that! Look at that Gay Christian site I sent you to....many if not most if not ALL the people who hang out there once thought as you did....but many of them have learned to recoincile their religion with their sexuality. But the fact that you can't deny is that Jesus NEVER said anything about homosexuality! He just said "Love your neighbor as your brother"
The people at the gay christian site weren't ones who were recruited or molested or whatever....
Also, I don't deny those scriptures.....I am not a Bible expert....can't really defend myself too well there....BUT, as you may recall there are problems in translatation from one language to another. The term used wasn't homosexual....matter of fact, if my memory serves correctly the term homosexual wasn't coined until something like the 1860's........
Also the Biblical experts who say that homosexuality may not be a sin, aren't bending or twisting words or whatever....the orgional word was closer in meaning to something like males who had sex slaves or people who did ritual sex abuse or whatever....I shall have to look up some linky-links for you....and remember....JESUS Himself, NEVER said anything about gayness being a sin! You cannot deny that!

You are going to be very regret for what you said with your post against me. Here is the verses about the gay in the Bible. I hope it hits you really hard.

Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:18-26
1 Corinthians 6:9
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1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

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1 Cor 6:9(New American Standard Bible)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
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Leviticus 18:22 (NIV)
"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

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Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)
'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
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Leviticus 20:13 (NIV)
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

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Leviticus 20:13 (NASB)
'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
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Romans 1:18-26 (NIV)
God's Wrath Against Mankind
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

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Romans 1:18-26 (NASB)
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

 

[deafdyke]

I've been debating anti-gay folks online for a VERY VERY LONG time!
I was just waiting for this *rubs hands eagerly*
First of all, Levicticus is Old Testament. It only applies to Jews....Do you wear clothes of mixed fabrics? Are you aware that Levicticus says that it's OK for a parent to kill their children?
I am very busy as of right now....but will return very very soon!

 

[Reba]

I have devout Catholic friends who are 100% OK with my being gay.

That is their choice as individuals. That doesn't make it OK with God.

EVERYONE sins, crazymanwoot! EVERYONE! Being gay is not some gigantic unforgivable sin!

You are correct that it is not an unforgivable sin. But it is a sin. To be forgiven, first the person must admit that it is a sin. Then, the person must repent the sin and accept Jesus as Savior. Then, God will forgive the sin.

My soul is not in danger....NOBODY'S soul is in danger if they simply follow the teachings of Jesus...

Each and every person's soul is in danger until he/she repents and accepts Jesus as Savior. That is the most important teaching of Jesus to follow.

So you're saying that a person can't be a homosexual and be a Christian?

A homosexual can become a Christian. After becoming a Christian, the homosexual can ask Jesus for help in overcoming the sin. It is not easy but with God's grace it can be done. This is true for any lifetime sin that has a grip on a person.

... He just said "Love your neighbor as your brother"..

Actually, Jesus didn't say that. He said:

Matthew 19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Luke 10:27
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

The term used wasn't homosexual...

Because the original Scriptures weren't in English.

matter of fact, if my memory serves correctly the term homosexual wasn't coined until something like the 1860's....

Obviously there were homosexual people around before that time; they just used different terminology. So what? A different name doesn't change the meaning.

Also the Biblical experts who say that homosexuality may not be a sin, aren't bending or twisting words or whatever....the orgional word was closer in meaning to something like males who had sex slaves or people who did ritual sex abuse or whatever....

How do you know that?

I shall have to look up some linky-links for you....and remember....JESUS Himself, NEVER said anything about gayness being a sin! You cannot deny that![/QUOTE]
Jesus Himself followed the law of the Old Testament. It wasn't necessary for Him to list every sin again in the NT. He said:

Matthew 5:17
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

 

[XBGMER]

deafdyke, first of all:

deafdyke, You know what? I think they (edited ) are being an intelligance and corrput people's minds with their own words since they can't figure that out to answer my posts in thread which I created. I will never understanding those people are judge you for being gay or etc.. you don't have to debate with them at all.. They like to make their waste your time for real... they are being intelligance and know how to be trick people's minds..OMG, they are actual {edited} and are still {edited} for being christians!

No, Lis, Beth and my other buddies all read the Bible and follow what's in it!
I have devout Catholic friends who are 100% OK with my being gay.

I am not here to judge or critize on you at all.. just opinion in my head that what i learned it from catholic history tells me about that, Most Catholic priests and Nuns are homosexuals. that why they claimed they accpet your being gays for who you are.. that's Catholic system and policy. You know that catholic's own history always repeat itself... not mine.. :0)

Is the only correct interpretation of the Bible YOUR or your church's interpretation?

Honestly, it showed me that obviosuly {edited} are following their church's interpretations! They are not fully knowledge about scripture of word in their eyes are still blinded! TRUST ME!

EVERYONE sins, crazymanwoot! EVERYONE! Being gay is not some gigantic unforgivable sin! My soul is not in danger....NOBODY'S soul is in danger if they simply follow the teachings of Jesus.....So you're saying that a person can't be a homosexual and be a Christian? You really really need to talk to someone about that! Look at that Gay Christian site I sent you to....many if not most if not ALL the people who hang out there once thought as you did....but many of them have learned to recoincile their religion with their sexuality. But the fact that you can't deny is that Jesus NEVER said anything about homosexuality! He just said "Love your neighbor as your brother"
The people at the gay christian site weren't ones who were recruited or molested or whatever....
Also, I don't deny those scriptures.....I am not a Bible expert....can't really defend myself too well there....BUT, as you may recall there are problems in translatation from one language to another. The term used wasn't homosexual....matter of fact, if my memory serves correctly the term homosexual wasn't coined until something like the 1860's........
Also the Biblical experts who say that homosexuality may not be a sin, aren't bending or twisting words or whatever....the orgional word was closer in meaning to something like males who had sex slaves or people who did ritual sex abuse or whatever....I shall have to look up some linky-links for you....and remember....JESUS Himself, NEVER said anything about gayness being a sin! You cannot deny that!

Deafdyke, I am scritpure expert what I believed in. anyway..Yes, I am still sinner because my mortal is still mortal flesh! but my mind are not mortal but IMMORTALLY!!!!! :0D

Yes, you are right that Jesus never said about gays, my addition on this, Jesus never walk among gay peoples in their jewish's times around. I read all scripture through from old to new testments. Jesus never get near any gays around.. Expect he was close to sinners who proituties, sickness, dieases, death, on and on list that scripture had spoke out! He preached to sinners with his words.

I've been debating anti-gay folks online for a VERY VERY LONG time!
I was just waiting for this *rubs hands eagerly*
First of all, Levicticus is Old Testament. It only applies to Jews....Do you wear clothes of mixed fabrics? Are you aware that Levicticus says that it's OK for a parent to kill their children?
I am very busy as of right now....but will return very very soon!

Here I nevr say that you are damn wrong.. Old testament is not applies to jews. anot Jesus, Yes Old testment applies to Him. In Jewish times, there never have any new testament arrive during Jesus walked on the earth. Here verse prove from below:

Jesus himself, saying "Think not that I am come to destory the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destory, but to fulfill." from Matthew 5:17, and "If he called them gods, unto whom the wod of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken." from John10:35. His result qoute: "... for this is the law and the prophets." from Matthew 7:12..

Now you can see that Jesus was still followed the law of old testament. there was nothing change his minds toward old testament..

Old testament and New testament are still against gay's lifestyle... Because all prophets and Jesus knew gay people's history always repeat itself "all gays would be seduce people committ abominate and even committ fornicate!" " hast made Judah and ht einhabitants of Jerusalem to go a-whoring" Yes There are a lot of numbers in verses from old testaments against gays and against go a -whoring peoples in same way new testement against it.. don't forget what revelations 17 and 18 chapters had talked about it.

Your God sent you here, this word has answer for you!



YOU KNOW ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DELUISONAL SCHIZOPENICS!!! Because you christians who currenty live in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12.. THAT IS FACT YOU CAN'T DENY IT!

 

[Roadrunner]

Mod Note:

Thread's reopened....

Let's remember NOT to accuse or judge(that can be considered as a form of bashing/insulting) any other member of their beliefs/opinions whether it's indirect or directly done so(meaning naming members, etc)...Keep in mind to agree to disagree, without actually putting any member down for their own beliefs/opinions, etc.




Thank you!

~RR

 

[Askjo]

Ckfarbes, think with me -- an illustratioon:

When a homosexual man and I work together for a company, do you forbid me to get along with him there? You CANNOT!

My point is SEX -- I as a Christian, must withdraw from him. Is that obvious?

Anything than SEX -- I can get along with him because he watches my testimony of Jesus Christ or I witness him concerning the plan of Salvation.

The Bible teaches that Jesus sat with sinners -- Jesus is sinless -- He got along with them.

 

[IcedTeaRulz]

Mod Note:

Thread's reopened....

Let's remember NOT to accuse or judge(that can be considered as a form of bashing/insulting) any other member of their beliefs/opinions whether it's indirect or directly done so(meaning naming members, etc)...Keep in mind to agree to disagree, without actually putting any member down for their own beliefs/opinions, etc.




Thank you!

~RR

Right on!

 

[Askjo]

Wonder - "Gay" Christians are not real Christians, but are just religious.