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COMMENTARY--The FBI is trying to convince the government to mandate that providers of broadband, Internet telephony, and instant-messaging services build in backdoors for easy wiretapping.
That would constitute a sweeping expansion of police surveillance powers. Instead of asking Congress to approve the request, the FBI (along with the Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration) are pressing the Federal Communications Commission to move forward with minimal public input.

The three agencies argue that the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) permits the FCC to rewire the Internet to suit the eavesdropping establishment. "The importance and the urgency of this task cannot be overstated," their proposal says. "The ability of federal, state and local law enforcement to carry out critical electronic surveillance is being compromised today."

Unfortunately for the three agencies, CALEA, as it's written, would not grant the request.

When Congress was debating CALEA, then-FBI Director Louis Freeh reassured nervous senators that the law would be limited to telephone calls. (CALEA was intended to let police wiretap conversations flowing through then-novel services like cellular phones and three-way calling.)

"So what we are looking for is strictly telephone--what is said over a telephone?" Sen. Larry Pressler, R-S.D., asked.

Freeh replied: "That is the way I understand it. Yes, sir."

A House of Representatives commitee report prepared in October 1994 is emphatic, saying CALEA's requirements "do not apply to information services such as electronic-mail services; or online services such as CompuServe, Prodigy, America Online or Mead Data (Central); or to Internet service providers."

Freeh, who has a sincere appreciation for wiretaps, had included Internet services in an earlier version of CALEA--but Congress didn't buy it. "Unlike the bills previously proposed by the FBI, this bill is limited to local and long-distance telephone companies, cellular and PCS providers, and other common carriers," Jerry Berman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told Congress during a September 1994 hearing.

But now that more conversations are taking place through audio-based instant-messaging and voice-over-Internet Protocol (VoIP) services, the FBI and its allies are hoping that official Washington won't remember inconvenient details. "These (wiretapping) problems are real, not hypothetical, and their impact on the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement to protect the public is growing with each passing day," the police agencies say in their proposal to the FCC.

It's true that the FBI has a difficult job to do, especially after Sept. 11, 2001, but is this proposal necessary, let alone wise?

Police have long been able to intercept Internet traffic. In 1996, then-Attorney General Janet Reno announced that investigators were successfully tapping the Internet without any problems. Even earlier, the Secret Service's "datataps" of Masters of Deception members helped bust that hacking group in 1992. Efficient Internet wiretapping is exactly what the FBI's Carnivore system, also called DCS1000, is designed to accomplish.

Then why is the FBI so emphatic? The bureau's not talking, but it seems to be all about ease of eavesdropping. Sorting through an intercepted stream of data is difficult and means that Carnivore must be updated to unpack the Session Initiation Protocol used to set up VoIP and instant-messaging conversations. Ordering those companies to include a backdoor for police is a lot easier.

It's worth noting that the FBI is hardly alone. The National Sheriffs' Association, the Police Executive Research Forum, the Illinois State Police and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation have petitioned the FCC to grant the FBI's request.

They're even sharing talking points: Each of the groups included an identical paragraph in its letter to the FCC. "State and local law enforcement do not have the financial or personnel resources to develop costly ad hoc surveillance solutions for each new communications service," their letters said.

Maybe they're right. New technologies do present police with new headaches, and perhaps that justifies additional wiretapping powers. But the question will be: Who gets to make that call--elected representatives in Congress or well-meaning but unelected bureaucrats at the FCC?

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Declan McCullagh is CNET News.com's Washington, D.C., correspondent. He chronicles the busy intersection between technology and politics. Before that, he worked for several years as Washington bureau chief for Wired News. He has also worked as a reporter for The Netly News, Time magazine and HotWired.

This topic is hot discussion at few communities I swing by and my friends & I had this debate during surfing this morning, it is quite scary to think that FBI would dare to do that by pressing FCC instead of bring it up to Congress! I wonder what FBI or government agencies plan to do next?

One of my friends said, "the media and the government are slowly desensitizing us to the concept of despotic facist rule" when we were talking about this topic. I personally think she is right about that though. So what do you think of that news?
 
I think you have to think about the intent behind the push to the FCC. Is it the federal govt's intent to randomly tap into someone? Or is it because they have information. "Probable cause" type information to tap into someones IM's etc. Communications has changed and the criminal element that the FBI and other govt entities have been tasked to stop have changed with it. These elements utilize technology to their advantage and this technology rapidly changes. Can we expect the Federal Govt or other law enforcement enitites to protect us when they can't tap into new technology effectively?
 
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coffeeeeman said:
I think you have to think about the intent behind the push to the FCC. Is it the federal govt's intent to randomly tap into someone? Or is it because they have information. "Probable cause" type information to tap into someones IM's etc. Communications has changed and the criminal element that the FBI and other govt entities have been tasked to stop have changed with it. These elements utilize technology to their advantage and this technology rapidly changes. Can we expect the Federal Govt or other law enforcement enitites to protect us when they can't tap into new technology effectively?
Well, here's my debate to that: why not they bring it up to Congress instead of pressing on FCC about it in first place? I feel that it is sort of break our rights for privacy. So are you saying that we should give up our rights of privacy and give it to them for so-called "protection" or let them enter and watch anyone make love in the bed because we probably share the secrets that may consider "threat" the government? Where will it stop?

Actually FBI repeatly stated that they already found out about 9/11 plans way before it happens.. so why does they need more so-called methods to tap our private life when they can do that before "wire tap? Again, where will it stop once they invade our private life? That's where FBI should have bring it up to Congress so people will voice their rights, if not then what are we to them? Sheep?
 
Magatsu said:
Well, here's my debate to that: why not they bring it up to Congress instead of pressing on FCC about it in first place? I feel that it is sort of break our rights for privacy. So are you saying that we should give up our rights of privacy and give it to them for so-called "protection" or let them enter and watch anyone make love in the bed because we probably share the secrets that may consider "threat" the government? Where will it stop?

Actually FBI repeatly stated that they already found out about 9/11 plans way before it happens.. so why does they need more so-called methods to tap our private life when they can do that before "wire tap? Again, where will it stop once they invade our private life? That's where FBI should have bring it up to Congress so people will voice their rights, if not then what are we to them? Sheep?

Do you really think the FBI's intent is to invade someones private life? Just for the sake of doing it? Don't you think they would want to have PC, Probable Cause, in order to get a conviction? I personally feel there is no greater right than that of privacy. Most courts do as well. I also feel in order to step into someone area where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy you need probable cause and a court order.

In regard to the the FBI admitting they knew there would be a 9/11 well that's news to me. I thought every one knew it was a possibility, but I didn't know they actually knew, who, how or when.

In regard to brining it before congress as opposed to the FCC I would think it would in fact be up to the FCC to determine if it was legal to begin with. In the absence of written laws aren't they the body designated to interpet the gray area?
 
I did not say that FBI already know who, what and when but got the "possibility" message like you said. To my understanding from what I read numbers of magazines/newspaper about 9/11 is that some agencies did not interpet "possibility" as dangerous or red alert and dismiss it as orange or even yellow alert.

Well, it is common knowledge about domino theory, once small thing starts will become to bigger like nation-wide effect. That's what I mean, where will it stop? Where? I personally don't think it should be up to FCC, I mean who is responsible for our rights and such? Congress, not FCC. FCC has nothing to do with our rights or our privacy, Congress do hence FBI should have bring it up to Congress. I think it is logical and common sense thing to do. Or rather go and see Supreme Court about it? Why FCC out of Congress, Supreme Court, and others that concerns about our privacy. In present, law require FBI or policemen to get the approval from the court for wiretap so why not they did that at first place instead of FCC? That's what I don't get it.

What about PRS? Problem Relate Solution, something always will lead to something else, it is common effect.

At least FCC have common sense where FBI failed to utilize, go FCC!
 
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Okay, Mozilla acted up weird that I could not edit and add.. so here's two posts in a row, sorry about it.

coffeeeeman, it is obviously that we have our differences in this matter and perhaps that I am paranoid about it but I learned one thing about being paranoid, it does pay off in good time. Of course, not too extremely paranoid.
 
Magatsu said:
Okay, Mozilla acted up weird that I could not edit and add.. so here's two posts in a row, sorry about it.

coffeeeeman, it is obviously that we have our differences in this matter and perhaps that I am paranoid about it but I learned one thing about being paranoid, it does pay off in good time. Of course, not too extremely paranoid.

And I do understand your paranoia. I just see it from a Law Enforcement perspective. It's one hell of a tough job and you need any edge you can get to accomplish the task.
 
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coffeeeeman said:
And I do understand your paranoia. I just see it from a Law Enforcement perspective. It's one hell of a tough job and you need any edge you can get to accomplish the task.

I would tend to agree with you coffeeeeman, although, it should also be included that there is legal authority besides congress to oversee the FCC when it comes to certain 'wire-tapping' and having a reasonable and justifiable cause for doing so...and who would possibly 'fit' in that category other than an agency that was developed recently..."Homeland Security"...I'm sure they would be best suited to help mandate such manuevers....

Although, I can understand where Magatsu is coming from, whereas our rights to privacy may be violated in terms of unwanted invasion of personal conversations, etc..Yet, in order for something like this to take place...I'm sure and hope certain precautionary measures are stipulated and in force to fully protect those rights of privacy...in these perilous times of a decadent society so filled with ransom acts of terrorism, etc...our national security is vital and whatever means we can achieve to have the upper hand over terrorism, plots, schemes, etc...I would support any measures and the viable technologies that would be very useful to obtaining evidences or information that would or could prevent such tragedies or chaos...one thing I would also consider or recommend is to support stiff penalties for using such measures other than what it was intended for in the first place!
 
Where's my Freedom of pravicy? its like FBI entering our homes just like those british soliders entering people's home to eat, sleep, etc..
 
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