Fathers rights?

When it comes to fathers' rights, here's what I WILL support:

An equal chance at custody rights so that children are not left with abusive mothers when the father would do a better job.

But as far as I'm concerned, a father has half the responsibility in creating a new child. Therefore, he should be responsible for his share of the consequences.
 
Men think S E X and they can't help it. So if they are having sex with women, they are risking of getting them pregnant. They should have known that. Whether women or girls seduce them to into have sex with them, men should think twice before have sex with them. Guess what, your screw if u did and stuck with this unwanted child for rest of their lives. Not fair to this child.

Of course some women do like sex but dont blame women for their part. It is both.
 
jazzy said:
Not if 18 years old men have sex with 14 years olds, who is showing irresponsible here? I have witness this few months ago about this man, he should be throw in jail for having sex with a minor and got her preg. She made a painful decision by had an abortion to avoid of him and his family to take her baby away from her because she is minor.

How can u tell girls be so irresponsible when they were being duped by older men?
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Where did I talk about men having sex with 14 year olds? Obviously, thats a whole different story cuz thats ILLEGAL. I m talking about situations within legal borders. Sorry if I wasnt clear.
 
Cheri said:
Hooster,

I understand your point, I agree that women can be irresponsible as men. But, while pills are popular methods of birth control, women still can get pregnant. It had happen but rare. There are risks involved just like condoms, He should be wearing a condom too even if she says she on the pill, That's his biggest mistake is that he trust her fully, There are going to be women out in the world that would lie about being on pills. Men have to use their brains and think about themselves, if they are not ready to have a baby, They should use something to protect themselves. ;)
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Thats my point. Lots of women lie about being on the pill. Women do this sometimes to trap the men. Also, men cant force the mother to have an abortion either. Thats why the men should have the right to opt out.

Men should use their brains? How about women use their brains too? Not have sex with stupid deadbeats who probably wont pay child support anyways?
 
There's a wonderful invention that can prevent a lot of grief for the guys. It's called a zipper. Keep it in the locked position until you're ready for fatherhood.
 
hootster said:
Thats my point. Lots of women lie about being on the pill. Women do this sometimes to trap the men. Also, men cant force the mother to have an abortion either. Thats why the men should have the right to opt out.
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Conversely, some men give women drugs or alcohol to lower their inhibitions. Some men bully women into into letting the man have sex without a condom. It goes both ways.
 
hootster said:
T. Also, men cant force the mother to have an abortion either. Thats why the men should have the right to opt out.
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Men cannot force women to have abortion just because they sperm inside of them, The women are the ones who have to carry the unborn the full 9 months men don't have to worry about anything while the baby is growing in the mother's womb. Why should men ripped a unborn baby out of the women's stomach, It's their body not the men. :thumb:

Men should use their brains? How about women use their brains too? Not have sex with stupid deadbeats who probably wont pay child support anyways?
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Yes, That's true too. ;)
 
Reba said:
There's a wonderful invention that can prevent a lot of grief for the guys. It's called a zipper. Keep it in the locked position until you're ready for fatherhood.
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LOL, I agree....
 
Rose Immortal said:
Conversely, some men give women drugs or alcohol to lower their inhibitions. Some men bully women into into letting the man have sex without a condom. It goes both ways.
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Yea, I know. What I am tired of is people bashing men as if its all their fault. Not the women. I know that men are not without fault, but people make it sound like its never the women's fault. That aggervates me. I m just trying to make a point that women are to be blamed just as much as the men.
 
Cheri said:
Men cannot force women to have abortion just because they sperm inside of them, The women are the ones who have to carry the unborn the full 9 months men don't have to worry about anything while the baby is growing in the mother's womb. Why should men ripped a unborn baby out of the women's stomach, It's their body not the men.
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Yes, thats what I m saying. They cant force the women cuz its their body. They have NO say in the matter. They dont have the same choices that the women have (abortion, adoption). Why not make the field equal and give the men the choice to opt out? Thats the point the men's rights group is making.
 
hootster said:
Yea, I know. What I am tired of is people bashing men as if its all their fault. Not the women. I know that men are not without fault, but people make it sound like its never the women's fault. That aggervates me. I m just trying to make a point that women are to be blamed just as much as the men.
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I don't think anybody here is suggesting that women don't have any share of the responsibility; the responsibility ought to be shared 50-50 (unless there was coercion involved by either party).

The issue is that this kind of law would allow men to walk away when women would be forced to stay. It would be one thing if BOTH parents agreed to put the child up for adoption. But for the father to be able to leave all of the responsibility to the mother, regardless of circumstances, is wrong.
 
I don't really care who is to "blame" for a pregnancy. The point is, after the child is born both parents need to be responsible for supporting that child. The child is not responsible for his/her conception, so don't take it out on the child.

Maybe if the law starts cracking down on "hit and run" dads, and hurt them in that other sensitive area of the pants (the wallet pocket), it will reduce the number unwed pregnancies. Right now it is too easy for the guys to get their jollies and then move on when things get too serious.
 
I feel sorry for the child. Having such undeserving parents. I would love to take another child since I can't have anymore. Reality is, right back to square one: PROTECTION. Get fixed, get snipped, get a condom! DO something to protect yourself as a person. When people say it was unplanned, well when you have sex unprotected (SOMETHING IS BOUND TO HAPPEN). I think in all reality this is a cop out (people acting like children, NOT wanting to TAKE responsibility for their actions). Abortions (eventhough I am anti-abortion i can understand and sympathize why some have it. I have found myself in the same situation with both circumstances surrounding one of my pregnancies and my health (3 major heart surgeries). However, for me it would be too difficult to follow through. I think that if they allow this, it going to send a wave of "children" to foster care, neglected homes, violence, abuse and everything imaginable. Single mother already have ENOUGH hardships trying to support her child on her own, with whatever money she makes. Allowing the father just to walk away from his parental duties would be anything less than a Nation saying," HEY HAVE ALL THE BABIES YOU WANT but if you ARENT READY NO PROBLEM, YOU CAN WALK AWAY FROM IT." I personally strongly disagree, however for me I wasn't after my ex when I went to court. I wanted him away from us, and no in their lives. So I asked to withdraw motion for child support. I was more concerned about their phsychological, emotional, and spiritual/phsyical state then getting money from him.
 
I forgot to mention something...I actually wrote a story once about a dystopian society where parents COULD choose to do exactly this--walk away from their children. The society's "morals" (if you can call them that) demanded that the parent do so before the birth of the child so that the kid wouldn't really know what he or she was missing.

The result was further moral disintegration because of these children being raised on more limited means--not just physical, but moral and educational. It wasn't for lack of trying on the part of many of the single parents left with the children, but because of the poor example set by the deadbeat.
 
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