Father kills sons, himself in Miami Beach

That is so terrible and so sad for this to happen especially to young boys who will never grow up and get married and have kids etc? :(

Look like the father is mad maybe wife take care of kids more and not pay attention to father? so he is miserable? or something? or wife want a divorce and plan to take kids .. father doesnt want to as he love them so he take them with him not letting wife have it? who knows.. so many QQQ sighs..

May God bless their poor souls! :(
 
I don't know what was going through his mind but that is something I never could do.... Yeah I agree Luckysmile, God Bless those innocent souls.
 
Reba said:
God doesn't want people to kill themselves but that doesn't mean those who do "go straight to hell."

If you want to continue this discussion, please move this to the appropriate thread under Debates.


I did not know the fact. For me I think that GOD will not send him to the hell or should send him to hell? Because I did not go to church and read Bible. I might be wrong.
 
Heath said:
Pek1, Here are some Scriptures that you asked for concerning the issue of suicide.

Here are some Biblical verses to consider .....

1. Numbers 11:12-15 Moses was in despair because of the complaints of the Israelites whom he was leading. The burden of leadership was too heavy for him to bear. He asked God "If You treat me like this, please kill me here and now..."

2. Judges 9:52-54: The warrior-king of Israel, Abimelech, was attacking a tower in Thebez, hoping to exterminate large numbers of unarmed civilians as he had just done in Shechem. As he attempted to burn the door to the tower, a woman dropped a piece of a millstone on Abimelech's head. He felt that he was morally wounded. The king's contempt for women was so great that he quickly asked his armor bearer to kill him with his sword, in order that people not say that he had been killed by a woman.

3. Judges 16:29-30 Samson had been chained to the two middle pillars of a temple. He pushed them apart. thereby knowingly causing the collapse of the building, his own suicide and the death of a few thousand people inside. The death toll exceeded the number of people that he had killed during the rest of his life -which was considerable. Samson had been blinded, and no longer wanted to live as a captive. And by causing his own death, he had a chance to destroy many of the enemy.

4. 1 Samuel 31:4-6 In a war against the Philistines, Saul's sons Johnathan, Abinadab and Malchishua were killed, and Saul himself was seriously wounded. He asked his armor bearer to kill him, but his assistant refused. So he took a sword and fell on it. The armor bearer then also fell on his sword. Both committed suicide. These precise events are also described in 1 Chronicles 10:3-7. Saul's justification for committing suicide was that because of his injuries, if the Philistines arrived, he would be abused and killed.

5. 2 Samuel 1:2-17 An unidentified Amalekike man described to David a very different account about Saul's death. The versions in 1 Samuel 31 and 1 Chronicles 10, describe how Saul committed suicide by himself, after his armor bearer refused to perform the task. In this version, Saul had the Amalekite, a stranger, kill him, in a form of assisted suicide. After hearing the story of how the Amalekike had carried out the wishes of Saul, David had him executed on the spot, because he had "slain the LORD's anointed." The implication is that one can assist in the suicide of a commoner, but not in the case of a king. There is no criticism of Saul asking for help in committing suicide.

6. 2 Samuel 17:1-29 Ahithophel recommended that he be allowed to choose 12,000 men, to pursue King David immediately, and kill him. When his advice was not accepted, he became so depressed that he returned to his city, "put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died..."

7. 1 King 16:15-20 Zimri, king of Tirzah, saw his city besieged and taken. He was distressed at the sins that he had committed. He "went into the citadel of the king's house and burned the king's house down upon himself with fire, and died..."

8. I King 18:40 and 19:4 In an act of vicious religious intolerance, Elijah ordered 400 priests of Baal executed. Ahab went to Jezebel, telling her that Elijah had "executed all the prophets with the sword." She swore to kill Elijah within the next 24 hours. Elijah fled for this life to Beersheba, went into the wilderness, and "prayed that he might die." He said, "It is enough! Now, LORD, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!"

9. Jonah 4:1-11 God had threatened the destruction of the Nineveh, a city of 120,000 people. But the king and people of the city listened to Jonah, repented of their sins, and fasted. God changed his mind and did not destroy the city. Jonah was so angry at God's display of mercy that he asked God to kill him, "for it is better for me to die than to live!" He repeated the same request to God on the next day.

What God says about suicide:

10. Acts 16:28 KJV - "Do Thyself no harm."

Suicide destroys all that Jesus came to do:

11. Matthew 18:11 KJV - "For the Son of Man is come to save that which was lost."

12. Romans 5:8 KJV - "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

13. John 10:10 KJV - "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

14. Therefore, suicide is the ultimate slap in God's face and the ultimate statement of no faith. By committing suicide, that is like saying, "God, what a fool you were for sending your Son to bring life to mankind. You may have sent your son to be the propitiation for my sins, and you may have sent your son to be the answer to my problems. But I do not believe in Him, or I do not believe He can handle my problems. He may be able to handle everyone else's, but my problems are way too big for Jesus. So I am going to kill myself. I am going to be my own god and take my own life."

15. Proverbs 8:36 KJV - "He that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death."

16. Psalms 11:3 KJV - "when the foundation is destroyed where shall the righteous turn?"

17. Romans 15:13 KJV - "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost."

18. Job 11:18-20 KJV - "And thou shalt be secure, because there is hope; yea, thou shalt dig about thee, and thou shalt take thy rest in safety. Also thou shalt lie down, and none shall make thee afraid; yea, many shall make suit unto thee. But the eyes of the wicked shall fail, and they shall not escape, and their hope shall be as the give up of the ghost."

19. I John 5:13 KJV - "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

20. Jeremiah 10:23 KJV - "O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps."

21. I Corinthians 3:17 KJV - "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

22. I Samuel 31:4-5 KJV - "Then said Saul unto his armourbearer. Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. There Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him."

23. James 1:15 KJV - "Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

What Hell is like:

24. Luke 16:22-24 KJV - "...The rich man also died, and was buried, and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lararus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

Our life are are not our own to end on our own:

25. Acts 20:28 KJV - "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

26. Isaiah 8:22 KJV - "And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness."

27. Exodus 20:13 KJV - "Thou shalt not kill."

The Hebrew word for kill means especially to murder. Killing oneself is just as much as murder in the eyes of the Lord as if you were to kill anyone else.

28. John 6:37 KJV - "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

Heath,

I numbered your responses to correspond with mine. When "Ibid" is written, it means the same as previous response.

1. My Bible is not in front of me right now, but based on memory, this is before his father-in-law told him to appoint judges so that he wouldn't get burned out.
2. This was the custom, but it says nothing about him going to hell.
3. Ibid, second part.
4. Ibid.
5. Ibid.
6. Ibid.
7. Ibid.
8. Keep this in context, it refers not to suicide. If it does, where?
9. Jonah was depressed and disappointed that Nineveh wasn't destroyed; keep it in context.
10. Keep it in context . . . who said what to whom, when, why, how. A reporter would have asked you the same questions and would have written a 1,000 word story for the local newspaper.
11. This is referring to salvation, not suicide.
12. Ibid.
13. Ibid.
14. This is a matter of personal opinion and has no biblical merit. If you're going to debate with a theologian, the least you can do is not make up your own rules as you go along, okay, Heath?
15. Where did this come from and what is the context?
16. Ibid.
17. Ibid.
18. This is for encouragement, not for suicide. This can be used for someone contemplating it.
19. Salvation.
20. What is the context?
21. The body of a Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit, which is true. Can we use this verse on those who are obese or have a life-threatening disease and tell them that God hates them? If so, this would render obsolete John 3:16.
22. What is the context?
23. True, but how does this pertain to suicide?
24. Ibid.
25. Ibid.
26. Ibid.
27. Partially true; what about the above-referenced scripture verses you wrote with Saul and the others? If suicide is sending a person to Hell, why are there messages on Samson? Never mind the fact that Samson was a man that had very long hair, similar in length to the members of the rock band, Iron Maiden, but in no relation to them.
28. If suicide is how you say, then if a person that commits it wouldn't be able to approach His presence. In essence, God the Father would say to you or whomever committed suicide and is a Christian, "Depart from Me!"

Checkmate!! I answered your 28 arguments biblically; the rest were pertaining to salvation and are trite in this conversation.
 
I read newspaper while i was at work also i was shocked that The Father drop his own 2 sons before he jump his own *smh* that crazy...
 
Mod Note:

Topics such as to what the scriptures says about suicide and any other topics/issues needs to have their 'own' threads elsewhere where it can be appropriately placed and not here.


Thank you.



~RR
 
:jaw: How awful!!! I got a feeling that the wife was asking for a divorce so the father selfishly killed to 2 sons and himself.. that's really sad!
 
RebelGirl said:
:jaw: How awful!!! I got a feeling that the wife was asking for a divorce so the father selfishly killed to 2 sons and himself.. that's really sad!

I was talking to somebody about this story and he thinks that woman had some mental problems and really pushed a normal man over the edge and he has been through alots with her for 10 years so I can see where he could have taken the kids with him to his death to punish that woman forever for what she did to him so I can not blame him for that but still, man it wasn't right to kill the kids along with him. He could have handled it better, gotten divorce after the 10th anniversary of their marriage because of the woman's mentally ill issues which does not go good with a normal man working, coming home and living his life normally like a normal man in his right mind should be with a woman as his wife that respects and does not push things to the edge which would be a very good sign that she is a sick, mentally ill woman.
 
Heath said:
I was talking to somebody about this story and he thinks that woman had some mental problems and really pushed a normal man over the edge and he has been through alots with her for 10 years so I can see where he could have taken the kids with him to his death to punish that woman forever for what she did to him so I can not blame him for that but still, man it wasn't right to kill the kids along with him. He could have handled it better, gotten divorce after the 10th anniversary of their marriage because of the woman's mentally ill issues which does not go good with a normal man working, coming home and living his life normally like a normal man in his right mind should be with a woman as his wife that respects and does not push things to the edge which would be a very good sign that she is a sick, mentally ill woman.


huh?? she was in other room and hear her kids scream so she ran to other room and saw her husband jump out of the edge.
 
DeafMonkey said:
huh?? she was in other room and hear her kids scream so she ran to other room and saw her husband jump out of the edge.

What? All of the things that have happened over 10 years between him and his mentally nut case wife then he simply had enough one day and that day happened to be on the 10th year anniversary marriage at the hotel. I don't think he picked the 10th year anniversary of their marriage to commit suicide on purpose or anything like that also what I found odd was she took the kids with her on the 10th yr. anniversary of their marriage which is not normal, man !!!!!

Most normal people drop off their kids at the grandparent's house then go on vacation alone and ahem.... have some time alone in their honeymoon bedroom, no work , no kids, no stress. Get it ? She made him snap just like that and he got fed up, no more and took the plunge, now she has to live with it forever for all of those 10 years that she cruelly pushed that man away and she did horrible verbal and maybe physically abusive things to the kids like one day she burned cigarettes on the kid's wrists etc. I can tell you that is what mentally ill women do. She paid for it with her husband's and the kid's life and that is on her conscience forever, man .....
 
Heath said:
What? All of the things that have happened over 10 years between him and his mentally nut case wife then he simply had enough one day and that day happened to be on the 10th year anniversary marriage at the hotel. I don't think he picked the 10th year anniversary of their marriage to commit suicide on purpose or anything like that also what I found odd was she took the kids with her on the 10th yr. anniversary of their marriage which is not normal, man !!!!!

Most normal people drop off their kids at the grandparent's house then go on vacation alone and ahem.... have some time alone in their honeymoon bedroom, no work , no kids, no stress. Get it ? She made him snap just like that and he got fed up, no more and took the plunge, now she has to live with it forever for all of those 10 years that she cruelly pushed that man away and she did horrible verbal and maybe physically abusive things to the kids like one day she burned cigarettes on the kid's wrists etc. I can tell you that is what mentally ill women do. She paid for it with her husband's and the kid's life and that is on her conscience forever, man .....

Okay , that is your opinion. that it
 
DeafMonkey said:
Okay , that is your opinion. that it

I am just listening to both sides of the issue and saying what needs to be said.
 
Health..
This thread is NOT relgion section..

Please chill....

Father and 2 kids are goes to hell.. HA HA.. U making me lauff'n.. please stop talking about bible this thread.. you have to create your own new thread not here.. Get it!
You making everyone turn off fast.. I beg you stop please!
Thank you



Break my hearts for two boys innocent and death from jump the balcony.. Why Father take two boys along and jump! Wha.. insane? Why can't Father jump himself instead take two boys.... :dunno:~ huh? Poor Mother devestaning(sp) breaking heart for her two sons' death.
 
Galaxy, no, you misunderstood. Not both father and kids. Father is going hell for this, not the kids. Kids is going up to the Heaven. Father will go to hell because he threw kids off the balconey and then killed himself "suicide" which it is sin to kill yourself and kill people according to the bible.
 
AnnyGuy said:
Galaxy, no, you misunderstood. Not both father and kids. Father is going hell for this, not the kids. Kids is going up to the Heaven. Father will go to hell because he threw kids off the balconey and then killed himself "suicide" which it is sin to kill yourself and kill people according to the bible.

That is what I said. Thank you AnnyGuy for clearing this up with Galaxyangel.
 
AnnyGuy said:
Galaxy, no, you misunderstood. Not both father and kids. Father is going hell for this, not the kids. Kids is going up to the Heaven. Father will go to hell because he threw kids off the balconey and then killed himself "suicide" which it is sin to kill yourself and kill people according to the bible.

Excuse me, I wasn't refering that father and kids are hell..

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about Father and kids are jump out the balony.. PEROID.. No way off topic about bible issues "Father should go hell" Excuse me, you're talking way off topic... LOOK HEATH already thrown bible talk this thread.. not suppose to..

Heath suppose be..
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and make his OWN THREAD another issues sucide related bible stuff.. Why can't he?
He kept thrown bible stuff any general thread.. TOTAL WRONG WRONG!

Follow this link:What RR's said!
GET IT!
Cause people are turn it off fast!
Aren't you see it everyone feels?
 
I agreed with GA ..

Here are not talk about bible. That I post it that are talking about Father threw 2 kids out of the balocny then father killed himself. Not talk about bible.
 
:( :( This is such a tragedy for these children and their surviving families. Those children at such a young age, were sweet and innocent, they didn't deserve this fate to die. I hope God will give comfort to the remaining families during these upcoming days of sadness and grief.
 
Roadrunner said:
Mod Note:

Topics such as to what the scriptures says about suicide and any other topics/issues needs to have their 'own' threads elsewhere where it can be appropriately placed and not here.


Thank you.



~RR

Sorry about that, RR. Heath said something that needed to be challenged, so I did. This got out of hand and we should have pm'd each other on this. My apologies to all that were offended.
 
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