Do you wear your helmet when riding a bike or chopper?

PA is helmet optional. Experianced adult riders. Do not have to wear a helmet if they don't want too. The helmet is a choice. Younger more experianced riders Must wear a helmet. Just google Abate PA for details...
I alway saw it as my helmet my choice. I used to ride lid free often before the law changed. Was never caught. That is one great thing about living in the counrty. So many roads and so few cops...
For my Son. He rides his bike with a helmet knee and elbow pads. I don't even know if there is a law for it. He has to wear them or no bike. Which is ironic. When you consider, His Dad (Me, not the Mailman) grew up trying to be like Evel Kinevel... :thumb:
I Live My Way & I Raise My Kid My Way :thumb:
 
Kids want their parents to lead them by example. That is how they learn right from wrong. Teach them right by showing them.

I still have a scar on my forehead from going through a windshield during a simple errand 20 years ago.

Buckle up or wear your lid! I even wear a helmet when I ride my bicycle (no, not my fullface :)).

Steve
 
See Kids do not have rights. Adults do.Just like cops dont need a search warrant when the bust in a school and order everybody down on the floor while your lockers are being seachred for drugs. If you wanna search drugs on adults you get a search warrant.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
See Kids do not have rights. Adults do.Just like cops dont need a search warrant when the bust in a school and order everybody down on the floor while your lockers are being seachred for drugs. If you wanna search drugs on adults you get a search warrant.
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How is this relevant to the discussion?
 
All children and adults must wear their helmets in Australia public roads by law for riding a bicyle and motorcycles.

If any kids caught for not wearing a helmet, they will get a fine about AUS$80.

Research shows it can cause death if not wearing one!
 
Washington state has helmet laws, everyone requires helmet, I think. Even selt belt laws are strict, if a cop sees u with no seat belt, they give u a $103 fine. Selt belts is a safety item, without it u'd be flown out of the window and hurt even more. It makes sense to wear them even ur a adult, the more heavier you are, the more inhertia energy moves you.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
See Kids do not have rights. Adults do.
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Kids have the same amount of rights as much as adults do. They have the right to live, but they don't know any better that is what parent are for to teach kids about safely. ;)
 
I don't think anyone here is arguing against the usage of helmets or seatbelts, but the principle of it being a matter of law. I always wear my helmet and I always wear my seatbelt. I believe, however, it should be a matter of choice. Banjo pointed out about driving being a priviledge. I do agree with that statement when it comes to other things (such as speed limits, taking a test to get a license, etc). I am a responsible adult and will take steps to ensure my safety...whether it is putting on a seatbelt by choice or owning a firearm by choice. I believe that there are things that the federal goverment should not regulate and seatbelts are one of those.

Just like helmet laws, seatbelt laws also came about by the feds threatening highway dollars if states didn't pass them. If local governments feel they need seatbelt laws, than so be it. It should be left up to the locals to pass ordinances as they see fit.

Seatbelts may increase your chances of survival in an accident, but there are instances where they can also cause deaths. It sounds nuts, but on occasion, being ejected has saved lives. I recently saw a car accident where there was nothing left of a car and had the driver still been in it, they surely would have been killed. The driver was ejected and survived the accident. Another thing that comes to mind is an accident my father had when I was a child. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt and somebody crossed the center line and hit him head on. His legs were pinned, however his upper body was thrown towards the passenger side (imagine keeping your feet on the floor and then lying down across the center so your head is on the passenger side). The steering column and a portion of the engine was where he was sitting. Had he had a seatbelt on, he would have been crushed.

Anyhow, I am pro-seatbelt so I don't use these stories as arguments against seatbelts. I do believe they save lives and the negatives do not outweigh the positives. Just like the goverment should stay out of our bedrooms, they should stay out of our cars.
 
Taylor yeah!! Remember the carjacker in maryland drag the lady with seat belt tangle up on her after he pushed her out from drivers side? And that same year william donald shaffer says how hes not gonna feel responsibile if he raises the speed limit to 65. But he signed that seatbelt bill into law and i wonder if he feels responsibile for killing the lady who the carjacker drag her down the road with seat belt tangle up on her. I think her husband should have taken governor shaffer to court and sue him.


And Cops cannot give you a ticket unless you have a traffic citation. If they can thats another reason i dont like cops cause they dont mind their own business.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
Taylor yeah!! Remember the carjacker in maryland drag the lady with seat belt tangle up on her after he pushed her out from drivers side? And that same year william donald shaffer says how hes not gonna feel responsibile if he raises the speed limit to 65. But he signed that seatbelt bill into law and i wonder if he feels responsibile for killing the lady who the carjacker drag her down the road with seat belt tangle up on her. I think her husband should have taken governor shaffer to court and sue him.


And Cops cannot give you a ticket unless you have a traffic citation. If they can thats another reason i dont like cops cause they dont mind their own business.
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I do remember that incident. I still believe the benefits of wearing a seatbelt outweigh the risks of something bad happening, so I still encourage people toe wear them.

As for the seatbelt laws, you are partially correct. There was such an outrage when the seatbelt law first came about, there was a compromise made. The law at that time said that you could only be given a seatbelt ticket if you were stopped for another reason. A police officer could not pull you over for not wearing your seatbelt. You would have to be stopped for another reason first, such as speeding. You could then be given the ticket for not wearing the seatbelt, although the officer wasn't required to write you a speeding ticket and could only give you the seatbelt ticket as long as you were stopped for something else.

The law, however, has since changed and you can now be pulled over strictly for not wearing a seatbelt. Our department frequently has seatbelt stings (all funded through state and federal grants). An officer stands on the side of the road looking for people not wearing their belts. He calls them out on the radio and officers a little further down step into the road and order people to stop. A LOT of people get stopped. I drove through one the other day and there was a mininum of 10 cars lined up all waiting to get their tickets.
 
Well, Banjo, as well-written as your response was, I have to say Codger & Taylor are speaking of something else and I join them. Since I am in a hurry, I will just say what we mean is that stirring in the depths of our souls that yearns to throw off the shackles of a potentially tyrannical government stifling the individualism within us.
 
Tousi said:
Well, Banjo, as well-written as your response was, I have to say Codger & Taylor are speaking of something else and I join them. Since I am in a hurry, I will just say what we mean is that stirring in the depths of our souls that yearns to throw off the shackles of a potentially tyrannical government stifling the individualism within us.
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The problem here is, anyone who don't wear seat belts clearly don't see safety as the top priority. So why allow them to drive at all if they aren't willing to take the importance of safety seriously enough?

Yet it's okay for doctors to take life support off terminally ill babies against the family's wishes in Texas if they are unable to pay?

If one would agree with such a law allowing the doctors to overpower the parents' rights and not agree with the seat belt law... then something's wrong in the ol' USA.
 
Sooner or later were gonna become the soviet union of the west and were not gonna have anymore freedoms and rights. Socialism combined with communisim means the government tells you what youre gonna do how youre gonna do it,,What to wear,,what extra charges and fees youre gonna pay. And you cant fight em. Were losing more and more our freedoms and indpendance everyday and you cant fight em. Just like the government putting a stop on people buying medications from canada because theyre cheaper then american markets charge. Theyre telling you must wear a seat belt or pay a fine. Theyre telling you you must you must install a child safety seat in the back seat on your car or you pay a fine.Theyre telling you you must buy car insurance.Theyre telling you you must pay for licence and resgistration every 5 years and renew it and pay again. Theyre telling you must pay for an exterminator if you own a resteraunt business. Theyre telling you must have you car tested for emissions and you gotta pay, They telling you you cant talk on you cell phone while driving or you pay a fine.Theyre telling you must have a high school education or a college degree in order to do that job. Theyre telling you you must have your kids have shots or they cant go to school. Theyre telling you to pay taxes on everything from food to clothing,TV satelite, cable bill,Electric bill and on ulitities. Listen up sooner or later they is the future of an american flag.

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Did I open a can of worms or what?

In the U.S., I can fly a plane without a license, I just cannot do it as a commercial venture or carry passengers. And there are size and power restrictions. I can also travel on the streets and highways without a license, same conditions. The right to travel without restriction is in our constitution.

High risk sports are an attraction these days. I can go whitewater canoing, ATV riding, sky diving, mountain climbing, bronc riding, bull riding, bungee jumping, mountain biking, all without wearing a helmet and neck brace.

In Arkansas I think it was Bill Clinton that jumped on the helmet law bandwagon. A later governor got that rescended, though he wore a helmet riding his Harley.

I agree that safety is a good thing. But I don't think you can (or should) legislate safety OR morality.

Codger
 
i dont want to argue with anyone over seatbelts and helmet, but.. first of all i just want to let ya know that the seatbelt did save my life after my car flipped 3 times. i just got scratch on left shoulder. alot of people were amazed how lucky i was. Secondly the helmet did save my life when i was on triathlon training in florida. i fell onto my face on very busy roads after i flew over a car's hood. i broke a front tooth and had alot of scratch on my forehead. i was very glad my brain didnt come out like jello. since then i still wear the belt when i am in car and still wear helmet when i do speed skating sometimes. also i do wear helmet when i lead in traditional climbing. . i did fall down about 30 ft once. and 20 fts for couple of times. the helmet does work for the brain. heh.
yet there are still arguements about the helmets in rock climbing. it is nuthing new...
 
Banjo said:
The problem here is, anyone who don't wear seat belts clearly don't see safety as the top priority. So why allow them to drive at all if they aren't willing to take the importance of safety seriously enough?

Yet it's okay for doctors to take life support off terminally ill babies against the family's wishes in Texas if they are unable to pay?

If one would agree with such a law allowing the doctors to overpower the parents' rights and not agree with the seat belt law... then something's wrong in the ol' USA.
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But couldn't the same be said about smoking? Everyone in America knows how bad smoking is, yet millions do it. It is legal and we are given a health choice if we want to smoke or not. Should the government ban smoking completely. Should the government ban alcohol completely considering the physical and mental harm it does to Americans? More and more Americans are now obese....why doesn't the government ban all fast food restaurants, ice cream parlors and any type of food that is 'not healthy'? Excercise (or lack of) comes into play with obesity, so why doesn't the government start passing laws saying every American has to run 1.5 miles, do 50 sit-ups and be able to bench press their own body weight? Why force people to wear helmets if its a safety issue and not ban motorcycles all together? Lower speed limits to 25mph or less. Get rid of the unsafe small compact car and have one large standard family safe SUV (or better yet, a hummer) that surrounds your family in steel. We'd all be a lot safer if we were driving hummers at 25mph and there were no small compact cars to run into.

I know all of that sounds far fetched, but the same arguments that are valid for seatbelt laws are also valid for the same items I've listed above.

Banjo, I certainly know where your coming from on this, and I wasn't trying to argue against seatbelt or helmet laws, only that you should have a choice.
 
I do not ride motorcycles any more. But when I did, I always made a freaking ritual of wearing helmet, jacket, AND BOOTS. I bring the latter point up because I do not see any mention of boots as part of the safety regiment. I see guys riding cycles while wearing tennis shoes, and I shudder. That is their insane prorogative, though, lol.
I do not know ANYONE who has NOT cracked up on a motorcycle sooner or later: It is just a matter of time, and one had better have as many cards stacked in his favor as possible.
 
Banjo, the point I wanted to make still stands. I totally agree about the benefits of seat belts; however, I believe that the only say the Feds should have is to mandate all automakers to install them into automobiles and whether to use them or not would be MY decision; after all, it's MY body. I am not harming anybody except myself if I don't wear the belt. Kids, of course are another story.

Beo, lol re that biker you mentioned; just the other day, I saw one wearing a helmet just coz it's the law here but guess whatl; he was wearing shorts, a T-shirt and flip flops! Talk about cringing and the hair standing on my arms! Jeezzz, lol.

RSteve, knock it off with the Hitler bull-pucky lest ya wanna go stand in the corner. :mrgreen:
 
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Police visit school often to recommend about bicycle helmut because it could reduce the risk of head injury in a crash. That´s why I made my children wear helmut in the public but in villiage where I live is a different.

Well, here in Germany are bicycle-friendly and very common to use bicycles, that´s why we have plenty bicycles line everywhere which it´s safety for an adult and children.



http://www.bhsi.org/henderso.htm

European law

http://wwwistp.murdoch.edu.au/publications/e_public/Euro_Field_Trip/field trip chapter 4.pdf


German law about bicycle

http://www.bicyclegermany.com/german_laws.htm

Picture of bicycle lines in Germany

http://pbisotopes.ess.sunysb.edu/bicycle-muenster/bicycling-muenster-2.htm
 
Taylor said:
...The law, however, has since changed and you can now be pulled over strictly for not wearing a seatbelt. ..
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That is the big controversy in our state. Most people didn't mind the seatbelt law being a secondary offense, but they really didn't like it being changed to a primary offense. Many people perceive the change as an easy revenue ploy.
 
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