Deaf Baptists embrace unreached Deaf peoples

Reba said:
Other religions have been proselytizing in the same areas where our missionaries are for years. It's nothing new.

If they depend on cars, clothes, and gifts to win people that's their problem.
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You have no problem with that, then?
 
Reba said:
I wouldn't like it, if that's what you mean.
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Exactly, it's not very pleasant.

Okay, I just looked for that book and... I have no idea which one it is. I know it's one of my textbooks from my sociology classes. I looked at the contexts and the indexes for all of them and.... no clue where I read it. I don't particularly feel like looking through 7 books.... sorry, Reba!
 
Reba said:
The part of the story that was posted fits your preconceived viewpoint, so that's enough for you. Fine. I would like to know more about the situation, if you don't mind.
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My viewpoint is not preconcieved. It has been learned, and in order to learn it, I had to drop preconceived ideas. My idea is also supported by research.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Exactly, it's not very pleasant.

Okay, I just looked for that book and... I have no idea which one it is. I know it's one of my textbooks from my sociology classes. I looked at the contexts and the indexes for all of them and.... no clue where I read it. I don't particularly feel like looking through 7 books.... sorry, Reba!
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Yep. That is the problem when people insist on references for knowledge obtained and assimilated years ago. And then complain that you are intentionally with holding information to be contentious. Seems to happen all the time around here.

But the fact is, once that information has been sytnthesized into your personal knowledge base, the only reference needs is yourself.:cool2:
 
Reba said:
Instead of putting all missionaries into the "destroy cultures" camp, why don't you be specific? If certain people called themselves missionaries and destroyed specific cultures, then say so. It's intellectually dishonest to blame all missionaries for everything destructive that happens to cultures.
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I have been specific. Missionaries that do not consider the culture they are entering into from a cross cultural perspective but from an ethnocentric perpsective. That would be all missionaries on foreign soil, as being sensitive to the other culture and not being ethnocentric in approach would mean that they would not be there attempting to change the culture in any way, including religion.
 
jillio said:
Yep. That is the problem when people insist on references for knowledge obtained and assimilated years ago. And then complain that you are intentionally with holding information to be contentious. Seems to happen all the time around here.
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I didn't complain to Daredevel. I don't think it was intentional. Also, my request wasn't about knowledge but about a specific story. My request to Daredevel has nothing to do with you.

But the fact is, once that information has been sytnthesized into your personal knowledge base, the only reference needs is yourself.:cool2:
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That's fine when the information is complete. When someone can give a reference, I can look it up for myself.
 
Reba, you would disagree with people trying to make dhh people hearing right? So why do you think it's right to make natives who have other beliefs Christian?
 
Reba said:
I didn't complain to Daredevel. I don't think it was intentional. Also, my request wasn't about knowledge but about a specific story. My request to Daredevel has nothing to do with you.


That's fine when the information is complete. When someone can give a reference, I can look it up for myself.
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Did I say you had complained, or mention you specifically in any way? I was merely making a point about things that occur around here at the opportune moment to do so. Even though, you have been guilty many times of the scenario I posted regarding. I suppose the next time, everyone will know your motive for demanding a link, and then trying to discredit when one is not provided for you.

If you are interested in learning further about any topic, you can do so without a reference.
 
jillio said:
...If you are interested in learning further about any topic, you can do so without a reference.
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For your information, I did try to find the story myself, and I couldn't.
 
deafdyke said:
Reba, you would disagree with people trying to make dhh people hearing right?
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Yes. No one can make a dhh person a hearing person.

So why do you think it's right to make natives who have other beliefs Christian?
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No one can make another person a Christian.
 
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Reba said:
For your information, I did try to find the story myself, and I couldn't.
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One no doubt needs to look in a textbook. I read it in textbook on cultural anthropology. DD read it in a textbood used for a sociology class. It is an incident that is used to illustrate the harmful effects of ethnocentrism and failure to address a culture's needs from that culture's perspective. The way that culture functions is a large part of that.
 
Oh well. At least many cultures enthusiastically embrace the missionary position.
 
U.S. missionaries have a symbiotic relationship with the Deaf. Missions are scrambling for money (like everyone right now in this bad economy), and they count on hearing people providing resources to support the missionaries gainful employment working with the Deaf. Not like anyone is getting rich doing missionary work but it does require money.

It's not truly a Deaf person's decision because the Deaf know that they have to accept the religious teachings in order to get any services.
 
Under the SBC - no one is forced to accept 'the teaching' in order to receive services, but it is given each time people come. We have a food pantry in our church and we give to those in emergency situations (IE they have young children at home and one or both of the parents lost their job and there is no income and no food in the house) They give enough food to last about a week so they can use that until they are able to get WIC or FoodStamps from the DHS. Each time someone comes in asking for help, they are presented with the gospel and they can choose to accept the message or not. Either way, we still send them home with food. We don't let them leave empty handed.
 
And they know what they're going to get if they go to a Baptist food pantry. If they weren't at least a little receptive to the idea, they would go elsewhere.

When I lived in Africa, I got to know some of the Baptist missionaries there. (I'm not Baptist myself.) They were incredibly hard-working, very dedicated to their work, and were all-around good people. The people in the church groups they supported absolutely adored them. Some had been living in Africa for close to 30 years; it was more "home" to them than the U.S. was, at that point.

And believe me, the last thing they were doing was driving around in new cars and such, as someone mentioned upstream. None of the missionary families were living in much luxury, at all.
 
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