Deaf Baptists embrace unreached Deaf peoples

jillio said:
Difference in opinion doesn't. That is not what Aleser's post is saying. Read again.
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I read it just fine .... he said Christianity was teaching anti-gay hatred ....
 
jillio said:
So, preaching in order for the Deaf to learn about Jesus is not necessary. They are capable of reading the Bible on their own. Preaching is only necessary to promote a specific doctrine.
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If a person can read, and if a person has a Bible in his language, and if the person actually reads the Bible, and if the person is receptive to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then a person can be saved simply thru the Scriptures. That's how many people are saved.

Some do, most don't. Who says they are supposed to? Where exactly is that requirement and rule written?
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Jesus says they are supposed to.

It is written in Acts 1:8 of the Holy Bible:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Also, Matthew 28:

"18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world. Amen."
 
jillio said:
Exactly. You are speaking about the destructive effects of forced cultural contact. These effects have been documented for centuries by cultural anthropologists.
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so you are an advocate of hateful segregation ... hmmmm ... I can see that clearly now ...

"Jesus loves the little children ... all the children of the world ...."
 
Reba said:
If a person can read, and if a person has a Bible in his language, and if the person actually reads the Bible, and if the person is receptive to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then a person can be saved simply thru the Scriptures. That's how many people are saved.


Jesus says they are supposed to.

It is written in Acts 1:8 of the Holy Bible:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Also, Matthew 28:

"18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world. Amen."
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Saved from what?

Anyone know the history of the missionaries' impact on the aboriginals of the Americas all the way from South America to the native boarding schools of the Great White North? Not to mention the destruction of cultures in Africa and in Asia. It seems missionaries don't just teach, they force others to be robbed of their cultures and languages and be forced into homogenization. Apparently because to be a Christian, one has to do it the white European way.

Mind you, I'm aware not all missionaries are like that but they do believe that to be like Christ, one has to also adopt the Western way of being one because one would be a barbarian or a savage if they didn't adopt white man's oh so civillized culture.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Saved from what?
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The imprisonment of sin, and an eternity in Hell.

Anyone know the history of the missionaries' impact on the aboriginals of the Americas all the way from South America to the native boarding schools of the Great White North? Not to mention the destruction of cultures in Africa and in Asia. It seems missionaries don't just teach, they force others to be robbed of their cultures and languages and be forced into homogenization. Apparently because to be a Christian, one has to do it the white European way.
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To be a Christian one only has to trust Christ for salvation, and to live for Christ.

Since our model is Jesus, that wouldn't be white European.

Mind you, I'm aware not all missionaries are like that but they do believe that to be like Christ, one has to also adopt the Western way of being one because one would be a barbarian or a savage if they didn't adopt white man's oh so civillized culture.
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To be like Christ is definitely not the Western way of being. The people of Western countries and cultures are just as hard to reach, and just as un-Christian as people anywhere else in the world. They may have more technology available but they aren't any more civilized.

If anything, our missionaries adapt more to the indigenous cultures than the other way around. Also, our national missionaries already belong to the cultures of their service areas.

Don't forget, at one time white Europeans were the barbarians. Missionaries from the Middle East had to spread the Gospel to them.
 
I can't believe anyone believes there's such a thing as hell. The whole concept is just ludicrous.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Saved from what?

Anyone know the history of the missionaries' impact on the aboriginals of the Americas all the way from South America to the native boarding schools of the Great White North? Not to mention the destruction of cultures in Africa and in Asia. It seems missionaries don't just teach, they force others to be robbed of their cultures and languages and be forced into homogenization. Apparently because to be a Christian, one has to do it the white European way.

Mind you, I'm aware not all missionaries are like that but they do believe that to be like Christ, one has to also adopt the Western way of being one because one would be a barbarian or a savage if they didn't adopt white man's oh so civillized culture.
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Do you know the historical impact of Islam on African culture?

Did you know that homosexuals are killed in Islamic culture? Did you know that Christian Missions were the only missions bringing food, medicine and education to Africa for centuries?

If you disagree with Christianity, step up, give food aid and education to Africa .... Christians have already been doing that ...
 
Steinhauer said:
Where the hell do you get your disinfo from? Oralism was based on teaching the deaf to SPEAK, not saving their souls .... MY GAWD!!!!
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I am not the one functioning under misperceptions.:laugh2: Study a little deaf history and get back to me. You are obviously lacking in the knowledge you need to discuss this intelligently.:laugh2:
 
Reba said:
I would like more context of the story. It seems incomplete.
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Not incomplete at all. Point of dangerousness of approaching this from an ethnocentric perspective without regard for cultural norms and practices is well demonstrated in that example.
 
Reba said:
If a person can read, and if a person has a Bible in his language, and if the person actually reads the Bible, and if the person is receptive to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then a person can be saved simply thru the Scriptures. That's how many people are saved.


Jesus says they are supposed to.

It is written in Acts 1:8 of the Holy Bible:

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Also, Matthew 28:

"18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo , I am with you alway , even unto the end of the world. Amen."
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I see you take metaphor literally.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Saved from what?

Anyone know the history of the missionaries' impact on the aboriginals of the Americas all the way from South America to the native boarding schools of the Great White North? Not to mention the destruction of cultures in Africa and in Asia. It seems missionaries don't just teach, they force others to be robbed of their cultures and languages and be forced into homogenization. Apparently because to be a Christian, one has to do it the white European way.

Mind you, I'm aware not all missionaries are like that but they do believe that to be like Christ, one has to also adopt the Western way of being one because one would be a barbarian or a savage if they didn't adopt white man's oh so civillized culture.
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Yes, of course. And it is not a pretty history. But destruction of cultures doesn't seem to be a concern as long as the missionaries fulfill their perceived need to preach their gospel to those that have not requested it. How hypocritical is that?
 
Reba said:
The imprisonment of sin, and an eternity in Hell.


To be a Christian one only has to trust Christ for salvation, and to live for Christ.

Since our model is Jesus, that wouldn't be white European.


To be like Christ is definitely not the Western way of being. The people of Western countries and cultures are just as hard to reach, and just as un-Christian as people anywhere else in the world. They may have more technology available but they aren't any more civilized.

If anything, our missionaries adapt more to the indigenous cultures than the other way around. Also, our national missionaries already belong to the cultures of their service areas.

Don't forget, at one time white Europeans were the barbarians. Missionaries from the Middle East had to spread the Gospel to them.
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Barbarians? There's that ethnocentrism that is used to justify the unwanted interference and forced cultural contact.:roll:
 
Steinhauer said:
Do you know the historical impact of Islam on African culture?

Did you know that homosexuals are killed in Islamic culture? Did you know that Christian Missions were the only missions bringing food, medicine and education to Africa for centuries?

If you disagree with Christianity, step up, give food aid and education to Africa .... Christians have already been doing that ...
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Islam was not forced on the African cultures.

You are buying into the savior fairy tales again.
 
I DISAGREE with missionaries.
Thinking they have the right to go somewhere else and tell other people about a religious practice in effect states: what I have to share is more important that what you already believe.

from what I understand, the reasoning itself behind wanting to send the missionary is based upon that person's own religion. That religion works for them, fine. But attempting to spread that is invasive from the outset, thinking that others somehow 'need' that.

if someone who happens to be trained as a missionary, or who has a clergy background, goes somewhere to offer medical aid, teach another language, build a school, whatever and happens to wear a symbol of their own religion/spiritualty, and a local person asks about that, that's different because one person asked; then I see no issue with answering that person - "this is what I happen to think" and end it on that.

now if a community is interested in exploring beliefs other than its own and chooses to ASK a representative to come and explain without first having been contacted by said representative, that is also different.
 
Steinhauer said:
Do you know the historical impact of Islam on African culture?

Did you know that homosexuals are killed in Islamic culture? Did you know that Christian Missions were the only missions bringing food, medicine and education to Africa for centuries?

If you disagree with Christianity, step up, give food aid and education to Africa .... Christians have already been doing that ...
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Do you do that? Donate, volunteer, give food? Sponsor a child in Uganda? Give micro-loans to African businesswomen? Help pay for surgery for young girls who gave birth too young and now have fissures? Help pay for school desks and school supplies so young kids can get an education in Nairobi?

I do. And by the way, starting next summer, the rest of my life will be dedicated to volunteer/charity work.

And I am not a Christian. Just someone who cares. Far more than too many people plopping their asses down on a pew once a week and telling others they will go to hell if they don't conform to a specific belief.
 
jillio said:
Islam was not forced on the African cultures.

You are buying into the savior fairy tales again.
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In fact many blacks in the USA converted to Islam for much this reason back in the 60s. I'm sure it happens even now. Muhammad Ali anybody?


Where I live now, there's some Africans who clearly came from overseas and are Muslims.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Do you do that? Donate, volunteer, give food? Sponsor a child in Uganda? Give micro-loans to African businesswomen? Help pay for surgery for young girls who gave birth too young and now have fissures? Help pay for school desks and school supplies so young kids can get an education in Nairobi?

I do. And by the way, starting next summer, the rest of my life will be dedicated to volunteer/charity work.

And I am not a Christian. Just someone who cares. Far more than too many people plopping their asses down on a pew once a week.
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You don't need to be Christian to help others.
 
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