Bush-era interrogation memo: No torture without 'severe pain' intent

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right and my friends are the one. and one was in the casket box.


Right. And I have spoken to them as friend.


:laugh2: It's because I understand the price and consequence of what it takes to let people like you to continue to flap your gum about war and laws. It's not just military. It's the public service that I'm interested in. :)

Military is not all about big guns and explosions. It's also the intelligence and science - a major portion of it. *hint - DARPA*

Well, then, if it is public service that you are concerned with, how about some examples of how you are engaging in public service. Or will that be the same as how you are serving the war vets...as in nothing?

If your friend was in a casket, there wasn't a conversation happening. The issue is not whether you are speaking, but whether you are listening to what they have to say.
 
I been this way long before I knew AD and Jiro. So your statement is fault.

Back to my question...what is the name of the book?

Uh, Byrdie is a lawyer. He is referring to the legal statutes. Which is basically what this thread is about. It has gotten derailed, but the OP was referring to the illegal actions of the CIA under the Bush adminsitration.
 
Uh, Byrdie is a lawyer. He is referring to the legal statutes.

Again, I am talking to you, not Byrdie. Stop running away from my question, what is the name of the book?
 
:laugh2: It's because I understand the price and consequence of what it takes to let people like you to continue to flap your gum about war and laws. It's not just military. It's the public service that I'm interested in. :)

Military is not all about big guns and explosions. It's also the intelligence and science - a major portion of it. *hint - DARPA*

Well whopee doo rah!

You understand the price and consequences about us continuing to "flap our gums about war and law". :roll: Remember Jiro-- I go through security at least 3 to 5 times a day due to passionate people bringing unnecessary metallurgy into the court rooms for their own version of justice.

If you are truly interested in being a public servant, you would also understand that being public servant, one has to upholds the morals,and values of their profession.

When one doesn't--the system fails.
 
If your friend was in a casket, there wasn't a conversation happening. The issue is not whether you are speaking, but whether you are listening to what they have to say.

Maybe he can speak to "dead people". :giggle:
 
Again, I am talking to you, not Byrdie. Stop running away from my question, what is the name of the book?

Let me see if I can explain it simply. Byrdie was not referring to an actual book. That is why he put "that law and order book" in quotes. It means he was using it as a descriptive phrase. He was describing the volumes and volumes of legal statues. Get it now?

And in post #100, you specifically asked me "what is the name of the book?" So I answered you.
 
Well whopee doo rah!

You understand the price and consequences about us continuing to "flap our gums about war and law". :roll: Remember Jiro-- I go through security at least 3 to 5 times a day due to passionate people bringing unnecessary metallurgy into the court rooms for their own version of justice.

If you are truly interested in being a public servant, you would also understand that being public servant, one has to upholds the morals,and values of their profession.
When one doesn't--the system fails.

Bingo!
 
Let me see if I can explain it simply. Byrdie was not referring to an actual book. That is why he put "that law and order book" in quotes. It means he was using it as a descriptive phrase. He was describing the volumes and volumes of legal statues. Get it now?

No because I wasn't talking or thinking about Byrdie. Dont pop his quote into our conversation. I am talking straight with you and you run behind the tree and point me to Byride. Nice going there.

Back to my question, what is the name of the book that make you say "But the two cannot be accurately compared?" Keep Byride out of it, he isnt your daddy.
 
No because I wasn't talking or thinking about Byrdie. Dont pop his quote into our conversation. I am talking straight with you and you run behind the tree and point me to Byride. Nice going there.

Back to my question, what is the name of the book that make you say "But the two cannot be accurately compared?" Keep Byride out of it, he isnt your daddy.

Which is it? First you asked me the question, and I answered. You replied that you weren't talking to me, you were talking to Byrdie. Now you say you were talking to me.

What are you talking about the "book" that made me say the two cannot accurately be compared? It is a matter of logic. But if you really want to investigate it, try any college level comp textbook. It will explain fallicious comparisons to you very well. And you might want to go back and re-read the posts, because I never mentioned having used a book. That was Byrdie. When you have cleared up your confusion, come back. And we will discuss the topic of the thread.

BTW...how do you know Byrdie isn't my daddy? Maybe he is my sugar daddy, lol.
 
Which is it? First you asked me the question, and I answered. You replied that you weren't talking to me, you were talking to Byrdie. Now you say you were talking to me.

I see where you got it mixed up, it was a post that Byrdie made during the of our conversation but wasn't part of ours. I never say I wasn't talking to you. If I am wrong, quote me of where I said I wasn't talking to you, so far, I haven't see it.

When you said, “Must you parrot someone else?” You weren't clear of who you were talking about. So the next comment I made it clear that I thought you were talking about Jiro because of his famous “epic fail” quote. You failed to correct me there. That's where the whole thing got confusing because I didn't know you were talking about Byrdie in the first place because I didn't read Byrdie's post. If I did, I would know what you were coming from, you dragging him in.

What are you talking about the "book" that made me say the two cannot accurately be compared? It is a matter of logic. But if you really want to investigate it, try any college level comp textbook. It will explain fallicious comparisons to you very well. And you might want to go back and re-read the posts, because I never mentioned having used a book. That was Byrdie. When you have cleared up your confusion, come back. And we will discuss the topic of the thread.

The topic of the thread was long history before I come around. No, you didnt mentioned having used a book. I came up with it. When I use the word "book," I wasn't thinking about Byrdie's comments. What I was getting at, "back up your allegation of why you make that statement." I may or maybe agree with you to a point, but you failed to answered my question after a few rounds.

BTW...how do you know Byrdie isn't my daddy? Maybe he is my sugar daddy, lol.

When someone said, "he/she isnt your daddy/mommy", it means fight your own battles.

This is making me laugh now. You argue like a liberal, nothing more and nothing less.

Back on the topic of the thread, USA needs to protect themselves from terrorist and there are number of people that think the CIA are wrong to use the pain method to get them to talk when at the same time, the terrorist aren't stopping at NOTHING. NOTHING. Are we to just bend over and let them win?

I need to run and will check later tonight.
 
Someone is obviously confused her, but it isn't me.:giggle: And trust me, if you had been around here a little longer, and paid a little closer attention, you would know that I don't need anyone to fight my battles. Stick around and you will learn that.

What makes you think that pain is going to have any impact on terrorists who engage in suidide bombing? To die for their cause is the noblest death they can achieve. All we are doing is playing into their mindset. "Yeah, go ahead and torture me...Allah will bless me for it."
 
all of Liebling's posts above = :roll:

Í can see that it´s hard for you to understand and experience everyone´s feeling. It shows itself that you only think yourself... All what you do with your posts is playing yourself and think you know everything about law than war veteran´s own experience situation. Sorry to tell you that you do not use your good common sense on most of your posts here.

I don´t care about law because the law are often being ignore by Government that´s why I am good listener to war veteran/soldiers because it´s them who have experience, not you or me or anyone.


Based on your reasonings - Obama is a criminal for exempting them from prosecutions. He's no different from Bush.

How? :roll: You make no sense... :roll: Obama said last January 2009 soon after he take office that torture is wrong. He KNEW it and have all form of torture banned under his admin.

Obama made wrong decision for not prosecute the people who torture and mistreat the muslim/arabs. (Yes I call "muslim/arabs" instead of terrorist suspects because it´s no proof that they are terrorists)
 
I'm sorry but you're comparing apple and orange so it's not my fault for not being able to stick to what you're talking about. Your post does not makes any sense at all. :dunno:


:lol: this is your famous word "it´s not my fault" *shake my head laughing*

No, I do not see anything that I compared apple and orange but the fact because they both follow the order, period.

It mean that Nazis should not be prosecuted if they follow Hitler´s order. It does the same with CIA agents who follow Bush era´s order... I can´t see the sense why CIA agents don´t get prosecute because they follow Bush Admin.´s order because both Nazis and CIA agents did the same thing is follow the order...

Torture is a crime, and crime has to be prosecuted!!!

I really don´t understand why you don´t want to see it. :dunno2:

I'm sorry but it has NOTHING TO DO WITH Bush Policy or RELATED. The contract that they VOLUNTARILY signed clearly stated the possible use of STOP-LOSS ORDER by U.S. President. if you don't like it... simple - don't join the military. Pretty simple! Nobody forced them to sign up. it's their responsibility to read the contract and to think CAREFULLY if they're willing to accept ALL CONSEQUENCES. The contract is not very hard to read.

I´m sorry that you really has NO clue what you are saying... Never mind... :)
 
Liebling, there's no law that define for torture against terrorist but our US constitution is applied to all innocent citizens and foreigners (in US only) but terrorist isn't included, even if any people who trying to help terrorist would considered as terrorist, no matters and Geneva Convention don't cover on terrorist, either and some people whoever help terrorist are lie to judge then sent back to middle and became terrorist again.

Obama made decision, that's his choice but Bush had helped Obama alot for transition into smooth, foreign judge has no power to prosecute Bush or CIA agent but UN could be possibly but won't be easier due long trial and not worth for Bush to be prosecuted, you have get deal with it about past and some other countries have terrible torture, such as China, Sudan and Russia.

Jiro is right about how voluntary works in US military, if you chose then too late and you should read their contract and agreement with them.

Actually, but torture and mistreatment to detainees are not included in agreement contract. The reason why many soldiers found out after they sign their first agreement contract for 2 to 3 years that Bush Admin. lied to them. They refused to follow the order because they know it´s WRONG. Yes, they got in trouble for disobey the order that´s because they refuse to hurt or kill Iraqis under general´s order. That´s why there´re more and more deserters. I support them because they speak out of their own experience over the law... You know that the law are often being ignored by Government.

Soon before 2 or 3 years agreement contract ends... Many soilders decided to get out of US army. They informed US authorities few months before their agreement contract ends that they are not longer serve for them. Guess what? few days to one week before their contract, they extend their contract and get them sign involuntarily for second time, then again for third time... Thanks Loss policy....

Some people who don´t have war veteran´s experience but deny their experience is an ignorant.

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Uh, Byrdie is a lawyer. He is referring to the legal statutes. Which is basically what this thread is about. It has gotten derailed, but the OP was referring to the illegal actions of the CIA under the Bush adminsitration.

uh... just because he's a lawyer doesn't mean he's qualified enough to know the military law, terrorist law, etc. It's like consulting with a divorce lawyer for a criminal case. :roll:

The reason why this thread got derailed is because someone brought in the subject of "soldiers" in it. This is about CIA, not soldiers. Can you guys keep it that way? :ty:
 
Well, then, if it is public service that you are concerned with, how about some examples of how you are engaging in public service. Or will that be the same as how you are serving the war vets...as in nothing?
:)

If your friend was in a casket, there wasn't a conversation happening. The issue is not whether you are speaking, but whether you are listening to what they have to say.
Families. Their comrades. :)
 
and why do you continue to get confused? CIA and soldiers are not the same. Are your friends and family members CIA agents?

Of course we all know that the job tasks of CIA agents and soldiers are not the same but they are still follow US authorities´s order.


 
Of course we all know that the job tasks of CIA agents and soldiers are not the same but they are still follow US authorities´s order.

ok. I've already clearly told you the precise difference of CIA agents and Gestapo SEVERAL TIMES. My job's done here. :)
 
uh... just because he's a lawyer doesn't mean he's qualified enough to know the military law, terrorist law, etc. It's like consulting with a divorce lawyer for a criminal case. :roll:

The reason why this thread got derailed is because someone brought in the subject of "soldiers" in it. This is about CIA, not soldiers. Can you guys keep it that way? :ty:

Who said he was? His occupation was part of an explanation regarding the book he was referring to. And you having a friend that attended West Point and going to a Barbeque there doesn't make you an expert on this topic, either.

And, yes, let's do get back on topic. Please stop derailing.
 
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