Arkansas School to arm teachers

jonnyghost said:
I think that is a very valid point. Do teachers have the time to be properly trained?
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Time? What a joke! With my workload increasing each year, I need like 25 hours in the day just to keep up.

I don't know about other teachers if they are experiencing an increased workload or not.
 
Lau2046 said:
Now they need to start a new policy that vistors will have to be escorted on school grounds at all time and must state why they're there, who they came to see and for what reason. Treating everyone like they're in a federal building is yet another way to deter this. Anyone seen wandering on school grounds and can't be readily identifed as an active student of the school, the police should be called and the school should be placed on lock down as a prevention. I think it's a great idea. I've always felt that the best way to fight crime is to shoot back.....

Laura
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I think some schools are getting better. Probably the ones that have run in to problems a lot but schools where I am have no security. We send the most valuable thing in our lives to a place that is a high target location with no protection.
 
"After undergoing 53 hours of training, Dougan and other teachers at the school will be considered guards."

Seems to low. Plus they should have to qualify periodically. Shooting is a perishable skill.
 
I think it's overkill for something that happens extremely rarely. It's not worth the message that its sending children.
 
If they want to arm teachers....why not arm the people who work at movie theaters, malls, and post offices?
 
shel90 said:
If they want to arm teachers....why not arm the people who work at movie theaters, malls, and post offices?
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Post office is federal property but my guess is a lot of these people are already armed. CCW permit numbers are sky rocketing.
 
jonnyghost said:
Post office is federal property but my guess is a lot of these people are already armed. CCW permit numbers are sky rocketing.
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My friend works at the Post Office...she isn't armed. :hmm:

When I go to my post office, I don't see armed security there and I seriously doubt the clerks are armed.
 
shel90 said:
My friend works at the Post Office...she isn't armed. :hmm:

When I go to my post office, I don't see armed security there and I seriously doubt the clerks are armed.
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That's because it's federal property. Civilians cannot have a gun on federal property.
 
Here are some mass shootings stopped my armed citizens

"Pearl High School, Mississippi: This incident began the morning of Oct. 1, 1997, when 16-year-old student Luke Windham entered the school with a rifle. Wearing only an orange jumpsuit and a trench coat and making no effort to hide his weapon, he initially entered the school and shot and killed two students, injuring seven others. He was stopped by assistant principal Joel Myrick, who retrieved a .45 cal. handgun from the glove box of his truck.

"I've always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened," said Myrick at the time, who went on to become principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.

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Appalachia Law School, Virginia: On Jan. 16, 2002, Peter Odighizuwa, 43, a former student from Nigeria, arrived on the campus of the school with a handgun around 1:00 p.m. and immediately killed three people, at least two of them at point-blank range. Two students - Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges - both retrieved handguns from their vehicles and confronted Odighizuwa. As former police officers, both men were trained to subdue suspects but the fact is they were on the scene and armed, and helped prevent more killings.

Muskegon, Michigan: From the Aug. 23, 1995, issue of the Muskegon Chronicle: "Plans to slay everyone in the Muskegon, Michigan, store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their 'gnawing hunger for crack cocaine' fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back. Store owner Clare Cooper was returning behind the counter after showing three of the four conspirators some jewelry, when one of the group pulled out a gun and shot him four times in the back. Stumbling for the safety of his bullet-proof glass-encased counter, Cooper managed to grab his shotgun and fire as the suspects fled."

Colorado Springs, Colo.: On Dec. 9, 2007, gunman Mathew Murray, 24, launched an armed attack against the parishioners of the New Life Church that ultimately left two innocent victims dead. But the toll could have been much higher, were it not for the heroic actions of former police officer Jeanne Assam from Minnesota. In an interview she said she very nearly decided not to go to church that morning but because she saw a headline on her computer indicating that two young people were murdered and a training center for Christian missionaries about 70 miles away in the Denver suburb of Arvada, she changed her mind. Murray shot a total of five people before an armed Assam shot and killed him. There were about 7,000 people at the church at the time of the attack.

"Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead," columnist Larry Elder wrote in July, following the shooting tragedy at the premier of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colo."

Numerous school massacres stopped by gun owners who wielded their weapons in defense of children
 
Some more. These one where not considered mass shootings because of the low death count but that is probably only because they where stopped.

"– Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two."

"– Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One."

Is it True Armed Civilians Have Never Stopped a Mass Shooting? | The Weekly Standard
 
I can keep going but I think these makes my point.

"The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one."

"July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier."

"Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle. Stacy made a very long shot with his revolver, three times as far as the perpetrator was from the police officer, who had an AR-15 type rifle."

"Two gunman entered a party and ordered the men separated from the women. Then they started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey. When one of the assailants prepared to rape a girl, a student was able to access a handgun and engage the two attackers in a firefight, driving one off and killing the other before the thug could rape his girlfriend.
“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey."


"The shooter, Ernesto Villagomez, entered the Players Bar and Grill and killed two people. He reloaded and was continuing to shoot when a citizen with a concealed carry permit shot him and stopped the killing."


"Parker Middle School Dance Shooting
14 Year old Andrew Jerome Wurst Killed one person and wounded three others when he was confronted by James Strand who subdued Wurst with a shotgun and held him until police arrived."


"Tyler Courthouse shooting, 2005 While police officers were involved in this shooting before and after Mark Alan Wilson intervened, no more people were killed after he shot the shooter, who had body armor, and who was able to return fire and kill the CCW holder, Wilson."


GUN WATCH: Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens
 
There are tons of stories of people who got saved or reduced the number of potential killings by a dutiful armed citizen. Something that the MSM refuse to cover. And we know why.



jonnyghost said:
I can keep going but I think these makes my point.

"The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one."

"July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier."

"Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle. Stacy made a very long shot with his revolver, three times as far as the perpetrator was from the police officer, who had an AR-15 type rifle."

"Two gunman entered a party and ordered the men separated from the women. Then they started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey. When one of the assailants prepared to rape a girl, a student was able to access a handgun and engage the two attackers in a firefight, driving one off and killing the other before the thug could rape his girlfriend.
“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey."


"The shooter, Ernesto Villagomez, entered the Players Bar and Grill and killed two people. He reloaded and was continuing to shoot when a citizen with a concealed carry permit shot him and stopped the killing."


"Parker Middle School Dance Shooting
14 Year old Andrew Jerome Wurst Killed one person and wounded three others when he was confronted by James Strand who subdued Wurst with a shotgun and held him until police arrived."


"Tyler Courthouse shooting, 2005 While police officers were involved in this shooting before and after Mark Alan Wilson intervened, no more people were killed after he shot the shooter, who had body armor, and who was able to return fire and kill the CCW holder, Wilson."


GUN WATCH: Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens
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shel90 said:
There is just so much going on with the education field with the new Common Core Standards and S.T.E.M. education because it means all of us have to throw all the old traditional teaching approaches out of the window and take on a new approach. Also with STEM, we have to start teaching engineering practices and many of us have no experience with that plus with technology constantly changing and trying to keep up with it.

I just cannot imagine having to worry about being armed and being trained to shoot on top of it.

Guess these teachers don't mind but wow...just thinking about it makes me want to go camping in my RV and never return. LOL
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I don't think state of Maryland will like to arm the teachers in school.
 
Foxrac said:
I will not take my child to school that where teachers are armed and the security guard isn't part of teacher's role.
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By the time you have school age children what if your local schools all have armed teachers?

Let police deal with it and the school have to follow the safety guideline, such as keep door locked all time.
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Shooters can break in thru locked doors.
 
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