Arkansas School to arm teachers

[Foxrac]

That may be true but if it's school policy then they'll have to form their own gun-free "target-for-crazies" school.

No armed teachers = crazy school shooting. :roll:

The school shooting massacre is rare event so it isn't waste our resource to overprotect the children that we don't know about successful outcome.

 

[jonnyghost]

The teachers are trained to provide an education to children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher

They are not originally trained to use gun to kill the school perpetrator, that why we have school police officers to deal with those situation. The teachers have to follow the guideline and order, such as lockdown.

Yes, teachers that want to carry need training. They can get that training. I would prefer if there was a cop in every room but there is not.

 

[jonnyghost]

No armed teachers = crazy school shooting. :roll:

I think ger point was if someone was going to go on a spree they would pick the school that doesn't have armed teachers.

The school shooting massacre is rare event so it isn't waste our resource to overprotect the children that we don't know about successful outcome.

So are lots of things we prepare for. It may be rare but it has a huge impact especially to people that have lost loved ones.

 

[jonnyghost]

Also no parent would say "overprotect the children"

 

[jonnyghost]

The teachers are trained to provide an education to children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher

They are not originally trained to use gun to kill the school perpetrator, that why we have school police officers to deal with those situation. The teachers have to follow the guideline and order, such as lockdown.

I mean support your claim by showing me enough incidence that have occurred that support what you are saying.

 

[Steinhauer]

No armed teachers = crazy school shooting. :roll:

The school shooting massacre is rare event so it isn't waste our resource to overprotect the children that we don't know about successful outcome.

I am trying to make sense out of what you are saying but I can't.

Are you saying you are in full support of leaving children with no means of protection during a school shooting? Are you saying that teachers have absolutely no rights, as individuals, to protect themselves or others?

 

[jonnyghost]

I am trying to make sense out of what you are saying but I can't.

Are you saying you are in full support of leaving children with no means of protection during a school shooting? Are you saying that teachers have absolutely no rights, as individuals, to protect themselves or others?

I don't think Foxrac is that way. He believes that the best way to protect them is to remove firearms. We may disagree with the results of that but his motives are the same as ours.

 

[Foxrac]

I am trying to make sense out of what you are saying but I can't.

(1) Are you saying you are in full support of leaving children with no means of protection during a school shooting? (2) Are you saying that teachers have absolutely no rights, as individuals, to protect themselves or others?

1. No, all school already have security measure and other plans to deal with crisis, including school shooting. In Newtown case, this school lacked the plan, such as the door wasn't locked and no armed police officers placed in.

2. I don't believe that teachers should be armed because it is not part of their job description. I support armed police officers to patrol the school.

The school shooting massacre is rare and we have to reasonable about allocate the resource to protect the school.

You can't expect about where future school shooting occur.

 

[jonnyghost]

1. No, all school already have security measure and other plans to deal with crisis, including school shooting. In Newtown case, this school lacked the plan, such as the door wasn't locked and no armed police officers placed in.

Yes but are they effective?

2. I don't believe that teachers should be armed because it is not part of their job description.

It's voluntary.

I support armed police officers to patrol the school.

So do I.

The school shooting massacre is rare and we have to reasonable about allocate the resource to protect the school.

That's why properly trained volunteers are good.

You can't expect about where future school shooting occur.

Are you saying a gunman would not choose an unarmed school vs an armed one?

 

[Reba]

1. No, all school already have security measure and other plans to deal with crisis, including school shooting. In Newtown case, this school lacked the plan, such as the door wasn't locked and no armed police officers placed in….

As I recall, the school did have a plan, the teachers followed the plan, the doors were locked, and the shooter forced his way in.

No armed police because the school was a gun-free zone, just like you want.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't think Foxrac is that way. He believes that the best way to protect them is to remove firearms. We may disagree with the results of that but his motives are the same as ours.

Yes, that's correct, I'm only ok with police officers, including off duty, part time, long as they meet training requirement that designed to deal with school shooting. I'm perfectly fine with armed staffs (such as janitor, IT specialist, etc) if they work for law enforcement and meet same training.

I'm trying to be fair with moderate, make popular for both sides. Completely gun free zone, zero security guards is on left and completely arm all teachers is on right, I'm in middle position.

 

[CrazyPaul]

30 APD officers fail firearms exam in last year

"Glazier said the test now has two targets. " OMG! NOT 2 TARGETS!
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UNSAFE AT ANY DISTANCE - THE FAILURE OF POLICE HANDGUN TRAINING

"The average hit rate for NYPD Officers involved in a gunfight between 1998 and 2006 was 18 percent. For every five shots, four bullets missed the intended target and went somewhere else."
AIMED Point Shooting or P&S

Some others

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You pointed out that some cops failed the test. OK, you support that teachers are to be armed, right? What if some teachers don't want to be armed? What if some teachers who want to be armed fail the test?

 

[jonnyghost]

You pointed out that some cops failed the test. OK, you support that teachers are to be armed, right? What if some teachers don't want to be armed? What if some teachers who want to be armed fail the test?

If they fail the test they cannot be armed. My point was that police aren't flawless. They are not the end all be all of protection.

 

[Foxrac]

As I recall, the school did have a plan, the teachers followed the plan, the doors were locked, and the shooter forced his way in.

No armed police because the school was a gun-free zone, just like you want.

The door isn't secured enough, need use chain to tie all back/side doors.

You are misunderstanding my belief, I believe that all schools should supplied with armed police officers, that's not make school as true gun free zone.

The school with gun free zone isn't truly gun free because armed police officers are in place, but I only oppose any teachers to be armed.

 

[CrazyPaul]

If they fail the test they cannot be armed.

For example, there are 15 teachers at a school. 7 teachers don't want to be armed. 8 teachers want to be armed. All of them fail the test. Thus, how will the school protect the children? Hello, that's what security guards are for.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes but are they effective?

It's voluntary.

So do I.

That's why properly trained volunteers are good.

Are you saying a gunman would not choose an unarmed school vs an armed one?

Not effective enough because lacked some plans to make necessary to protect the school.

Yes, gunmen will pick any schools, regardless if it is unarmed or armed.

 

[Foxrac]

I'm off to shopping the grocery and will be back when I'm ready.

 

[jonnyghost]

For example, there are 15 teachers at a school. 7 teachers don't want to be armed. 8 teachers want to be armed. All of them fail the test. Thus, how will the school protect the children? Hello, that's what security guards are for.

I'm all for security guards. No one has said there should not be cops or guards. And if none of the teachers meet the requirements then none of them will have guns. What I am arguing it that teachers that meet the requirements should be allowed to carry.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I'm all for security guards. No one has said there should not be cops or guards. And if none of the teachers meet the requirements then none of them will have guns. What I am arguing it that teachers that meet the requirements should be allowed to carry.

As you may know, there are more female teachers than male teachers at elementary schools. How would they CCW while they dress lightly during hot weathers in May and June?

 

[jonnyghost]

Guns are very very small. As in smaller than a wallet.